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BigRedDog
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6/27/2006  5:55 PM
Posted by MS:

Anyone who questions the Oakly siging is just plain stupid, he was not going to take anytime away from our front court he would have been there strictly as an assistant to teach professionalism to this group of jerkoffs that Isiah brought in he would have had a positive influence on Frye and Lee and would have been able to teach them hands on.......so wht if he plays a couple of minutes a game......

After AD left the cancer became terminal, if anyone noticed we really went down the ****ter after that happened....you need guys like that on the bench.....

Isiah has made msg a playground league.....

I guess the whole NBA is just plain stupid because i don't see anyone rushing to signing this guy.
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6/27/2006  6:43 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by fishmike:

hmm... getting a veteran to work with and teach young players that will play for the veteran minimum... yes, totally stupid. Instead lets trade for Steve Francis with Nate, Crawford and Marbury already here.
I agree that Larry's request for Francis makes no sense with those guys here, but I believe you're misunderstanding the Oakley proposal. It was to sign him to PLAY as I understand it, taking either Q Woods' or Jackie Butler's roster spot. It would have made much more sense for to hire him as an assistant who works with the young players.

there is a different dynamic as a person who is an assitant vs player. Just is. Would Oak be as effective telling his teammates to work harder when he is next to them running sprints, setting picks, grabbing rebounds, and going after loose balls as it would just yelling at them from the sidelines? As a player you have different cred.
If there were unlimited roster spots that would be worthwhile but it's not worth the trade-off IMO of having to cut Butler or Q Woods. Maybe you think it is. I don't think it's unreasonable to take either view (that Oakley would be better or that Butler/Woods would be better). It is unreasonable to bash Isiah like in Fish's 1st post for taking the view that it would be better to have Butler or Woods than a practically 50 yr old Oakley on the active roster. (I'm interpreting the "...yes, totally stupid..." quote as a sarcastic criticism of Isiah.)

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 06-27-2006 6:46 PM]
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6/27/2006  11:38 PM
Is everyone forgetting that the 12th man on your roster gets virtually no playing time?

What Larry did, for whatever reason last year, of playing all 12 guys in the first half is not the norm. Normally it is a 8 or at MOST 9 player rotation. Oak would get virtually no playing time if he was signed here. On top of that I have to expect some type of major consolidation trade as is (we can't even fit our 2 picks on the roster).

Oak played in a time when there was PRIDE in being a Knick, and he worked his ass off...I can not figure one guy in the NBA right now that does what Oak used to do. Geeze a vet minumim contract on a guy that had pride in being a knicks, took TWO lunchpails to work everyday, and didn't take no ****. You don't think Curry, Frye, Lee, and Butler can learn something from practicing against him and seeing his work ethic.

P.S. Martin, do you think you can sticky the definition of opinion on the top of the board so some of these guys who feel like tossing insults over opinions can be reminded just exacly what opinions are
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6/27/2006  11:41 PM
Oak would have Phuched up the gazy ass attidude and gotten the players attention! Bitchslap Starbury into doing what Larry said to do!

Then visit his carwashes around the country and growl.
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6/27/2006  11:47 PM
look, we all love Oak from the 90s, but that was a long time ago. this move would've been ridiculous. would Oak have even come back to a horrible team or to a team he's supposedly mad at? I doubt it. this is ridiculous and if this was Brown's idea for turning around the team, it's the idea of a sad man grasping at straws.
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6/27/2006  11:56 PM
Posted by joec32033:

P.S. Martin, do you think you can sticky the definition of opinion on the top of the board so some of these guys who feel like tossing insults over opinions can be reminded just exacly what opinions are

I'm with you. I shake my head a lot reading as the day goes on. We're trying over here. Uphill battle.
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6/28/2006  3:40 AM
well, I have seen it all...LB has a hold over a couple of posters that is unbreakable.

If only he had a set rotation and won more than 23 games.

some of you guys are really grasping for any straw that validates last year's crappy coaching job.

Oak? Rubbish.
Posted by crzymdups:

look, we all love Oak from the 90s, but that was a long time ago. this move would've been ridiculous. would Oak have even come back to a horrible team or to a team he's supposedly mad at? I doubt it. this is ridiculous and if this was Brown's idea for turning around the team, it's the idea of a sad man grasping at straws.

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6/28/2006  5:11 AM
Oh, I don't know -- I think Oakley could lurch out onto the court with his cane, whack somebody in the knee with it, and grab a rebound.

I'm sure the Knicks can get him to turn up his hearing aid more often, but I don't know if the officials will allow him to take his oxygen tank onto the floor.

[Edited by - BASKETBALLJONES on 06-28-2006 05:16]
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6/28/2006  7:28 AM
when you put it like that, then it's a definite maybe.
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6/28/2006  8:26 AM
Why didn't Larry just ask for Dave DeBusschere? He played hard and he's gotta be under 70 is he's even alive! I mean the 12th man doesn't even play anyway!
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Oh, I don't know -- I think Oakley could lurch out onto the court with his cane, whack somebody in the knee with it, and grab a rebound.

I'm sure the Knicks can get him to turn up his hearing aid more often, but I don't know if the officials will allow him to take his oxygen tank onto the floor.
Why didn't Larry just ask for Dave DeBusschere? He played hard and he's gotta be under 70 is he's even alive! I mean the 12th man doesn't even play anyway!

Don't you guys think that you are blowing it a little out of proportion? Just a tad?

Here are the oldest players in the NBA as of 04-05-can't find the most current...

Kevin Willis Atlanta 42.157
Reggie Miller Indiana 39.192-ret.
Dikembe Mutombo Houston 38.357
Clifford Robinson Golden State 37.881-on Nets in 06
Derrick Coleman Detroit 37.369-ret?
Tony Massenburg San Antonio 37.309-not on 06 roster
Ervin Johnson Minnesota 36.868-On Bucks in 06
Vlade Divac L.A. Lakers 36.747-ret.
Scott Williams Cleveland 36.619-ret.
Darrell Armstrong New Orleans 36.364

Robinson and Mutumbo are far is the most active of the list, but all the others that are not retired are old vets that serve to tutor.

Each team that had one of these guys had a successful season. And these old guys are each there with guys that play the same position (save for Willis) Johnson-Bogut, Mutumbo-Yao, Cliff-Kristic, Armstrong-Paul.

It is not a new concept.

[Edited by - joec32033 on 06-28-2006 09:02 AM]
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6/28/2006  9:13 AM
none of which were out of the league for a ton fo time after being cut after 7 games. Hez, did cliff robinson set a great example for he nets...how to use a bong.
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6/28/2006  9:45 AM
It's mererly public relations spin, and Berman is lapping it up like a dutiful soldier.
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6/28/2006  10:12 AM
Posted by joec32033:
Oh, I don't know -- I think Oakley could lurch out onto the court with his cane, whack somebody in the knee with it, and grab a rebound.

I'm sure the Knicks can get him to turn up his hearing aid more often, but I don't know if the officials will allow him to take his oxygen tank onto the floor.
Why didn't Larry just ask for Dave DeBusschere? He played hard and he's gotta be under 70 is he's even alive! I mean the 12th man doesn't even play anyway!

Don't you guys think that you are blowing it a little out of proportion? Just a tad?

Here are the oldest players in the NBA as of 04-05-can't find the most current...

Kevin Willis Atlanta 42.157
Reggie Miller Indiana 39.192-ret.
Dikembe Mutombo Houston 38.357
Clifford Robinson Golden State 37.881-on Nets in 06
Derrick Coleman Detroit 37.369-ret?
Tony Massenburg San Antonio 37.309-not on 06 roster
Ervin Johnson Minnesota 36.868-On Bucks in 06
Vlade Divac L.A. Lakers 36.747-ret.
Scott Williams Cleveland 36.619-ret.
Darrell Armstrong New Orleans 36.364

Robinson and Mutumbo are far is the most active of the list, but all the others that are not retired are old vets that serve to tutor.

Each team that had one of these guys had a successful season. And these old guys are each there with guys that play the same position (save for Willis) Johnson-Bogut, Mutumbo-Yao, Cliff-Kristic, Armstrong-Paul.

It is not a new concept.

[Edited by - joec32033 on 06-28-2006 09:02 AM]
Those guys weren't retired for about 5 years before some senile coach asked wanted them to come back to play at the ages you listed above. And BTW, Oakley is older than all of them anyway. He's 43. Most of the guys you listed are 36-38, which is a huge difference.

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6/28/2006  10:32 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by joec32033:
Oh, I don't know -- I think Oakley could lurch out onto the court with his cane, whack somebody in the knee with it, and grab a rebound.

I'm sure the Knicks can get him to turn up his hearing aid more often, but I don't know if the officials will allow him to take his oxygen tank onto the floor.
Why didn't Larry just ask for Dave DeBusschere? He played hard and he's gotta be under 70 is he's even alive! I mean the 12th man doesn't even play anyway!

Don't you guys think that you are blowing it a little out of proportion? Just a tad?

Here are the oldest players in the NBA as of 04-05-can't find the most current...

Kevin Willis Atlanta 42.157
Reggie Miller Indiana 39.192-ret.
Dikembe Mutombo Houston 38.357
Clifford Robinson Golden State 37.881-on Nets in 06
Derrick Coleman Detroit 37.369-ret?
Tony Massenburg San Antonio 37.309-not on 06 roster
Ervin Johnson Minnesota 36.868-On Bucks in 06
Vlade Divac L.A. Lakers 36.747-ret.
Scott Williams Cleveland 36.619-ret.
Darrell Armstrong New Orleans 36.364

Robinson and Mutumbo are far is the most active of the list, but all the others that are not retired are old vets that serve to tutor.

Each team that had one of these guys had a successful season. And these old guys are each there with guys that play the same position (save for Willis) Johnson-Bogut, Mutumbo-Yao, Cliff-Kristic, Armstrong-Paul.

It is not a new concept.

[Edited by - joec32033 on 06-28-2006 09:02 AM]
Those guys weren't retired for about 5 years before some senile coach asked wanted them to come back to play at the ages you listed above. And BTW, Oakley is older than all of them anyway. He's 43. Most of the guys you listed are 36-38, which is a huge difference.
Kevin Willis is the exception, not the rule.

Can Oak even practice at a meaningful level right now?
Can he jump?

Is there any idea that Larry Brown has thought up that people aren't willing to champion?
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6/28/2006  10:44 AM
you guys are thinking about this way too much.

he wanted oak there as an influence to his younger players. that's all. he wanted somebody in practice to whip some of these guys in shape. once AD was gone, that type of presence was gone as well.
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6/28/2006  10:52 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by joec32033:
Oh, I don't know -- I think Oakley could lurch out onto the court with his cane, whack somebody in the knee with it, and grab a rebound.

I'm sure the Knicks can get him to turn up his hearing aid more often, but I don't know if the officials will allow him to take his oxygen tank onto the floor.
Why didn't Larry just ask for Dave DeBusschere? He played hard and he's gotta be under 70 is he's even alive! I mean the 12th man doesn't even play anyway!

Don't you guys think that you are blowing it a little out of proportion? Just a tad?

Here are the oldest players in the NBA as of 04-05-can't find the most current...

Kevin Willis Atlanta 42.157
Reggie Miller Indiana 39.192-ret.
Dikembe Mutombo Houston 38.357
Clifford Robinson Golden State 37.881-on Nets in 06
Derrick Coleman Detroit 37.369-ret?
Tony Massenburg San Antonio 37.309-not on 06 roster
Ervin Johnson Minnesota 36.868-On Bucks in 06
Vlade Divac L.A. Lakers 36.747-ret.
Scott Williams Cleveland 36.619-ret.
Darrell Armstrong New Orleans 36.364

Robinson and Mutumbo are far is the most active of the list, but all the others that are not retired are old vets that serve to tutor.

Each team that had one of these guys had a successful season. And these old guys are each there with guys that play the same position (save for Willis) Johnson-Bogut, Mutumbo-Yao, Cliff-Kristic, Armstrong-Paul.

It is not a new concept.

[Edited by - joec32033 on 06-28-2006 09:02 AM]
Those guys weren't retired for about 5 years before some senile coach asked wanted them to come back to play at the ages you listed above. And BTW, Oakley is older than all of them anyway. He's 43. Most of the guys you listed are 36-38, which is a huge difference.

In NBA terms is it a huge difference? Oak keeps himself in ridiculous shape and other than Willis(who also keeps himself in great shape) could probably play better than most guys on that list..
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6/28/2006  10:54 AM
Posted by rvhoss:

none of which were out of the league for a ton fo time after being cut after 7 games. Hez, did cliff robinson set a great example for he nets...how to use a bong.

Before he got busted, Spliff was a great player and leader on the floor doing what needed to be done. Oak was cut by Chicago, for what reason, we don't know. Maybe he was gonn beat Skiles ass...who knows, I do know that Skiles likes being the end all be all tough guy on that team...maybe him and Oak couldn't share that team, in which case, I would have cut Oak too.
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6/28/2006  10:55 AM
such good shape that his favorite coach cut him less than a month after bringing him in. Larry loves everyone until they are his.

It's like everyone is great until they play in new york.
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Posted by rvhoss:

such good shape that his favorite coach cut him less than a month after bringing him in. Larry loves everyone until they are his.

It's like everyone is great until they play in new york.

Who are you responding to with that first sentence? However I have noticed the trend you state in the second sentence for a while now.
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