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djsunyc
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6/23/2006  10:58 AM
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by Andrew:
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no i think they fired him because he did not even try to coach the team he had....wake the hell up already

We went to a game in Toronto and sat directly behind the Knick bench. The raps blew us out but not once did larry stop coaching. Not for a second. Your statement couldn't be further from the truth IMO.

If Dolan believes what you stated and held that standard to the players we would have about 3 guys left on the team.

Yeah but by then the Knicks already gave up on Brown.

I can believe to this day guys still back Brown....I just don't understand it. No one has backed Brown and gave a valid reason. Just what he did in other places. I though Brown would be great here, but then the season started. From game one Brown didn't do his job and alot of us were sitting right next to each other to see it!!!!!!.

I figured the Knicks still would have been a lotto team. No way in my wildest dreams did I think I would have seen Brown perform the way he did this year. No game plan, no rotation, and no confidence.

Why would you say someone didn't know where the 24 second clock was? Is that Brown coaching? That is the reason why the Knicks lost....not because someone actually said that, it's because Larry has taken more time to bash the players in the media than actually put a valid game plan for them to win.

Avery Johnson put everything on him after every loss. He said he had to figure out what he can change to get his guys on the winning track....that's in the Finals. Shaq kept praising Riley every chance he got. Riley is the master motivator. Wade scored the points but Riley regroup the troops and got the team playing inspired basketball.

I'm glad this is over with.......

Now we can be men again.

i back brown b/c whatever he did this season, he did it for a reason. the lineups, rotations, whining to the media, was all calculated. he did not go senile. there were motives. and the difference between me and many that don't like brown is b/c i think the ultimate motive for brown's methods this year was to build the knicks back up into an elite nba team during his 4-5 years here.

you don't have to like his methods but that's what i believe and that's why i back brown. he's done it everywhere. he's also grated on his players and owner. but there are two differences:

1. he didn't have a gm with an ego as big as his before. dumars, king, and walsh took a back seat and sort of let lb do his thing. whereas here, isiah didn't want to look bad, had a sexual harrassment suit, and is possibly on his last lets of an nba professional career.

2. jim dolan wants to be surrounded by "yes" men.

this wasn't going to work from day one based on the individuals involved. this had nothing to do with x's and o's and lineups. those were calculated moves. this had to do with politics.

i always said i wouldn't care if BOTH were removed, but i do not like the fact that brown is gone and isiah remains. that makes no sense to me. why does he deserve a "chance" to fix it while brown doesn't?



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6/23/2006  11:00 AM
we back Brown because the alternative is Dolan Mills Marbury & Thomas
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6/23/2006  11:01 AM
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Brown has already held up Knicks
By IAN O'CONNOR
THE JOURNAL NEWS


this article presents an interesting rundown of the Dolan/Brown meeting yesterday morning...

This is the perfect ending for Larry Brown, a pink slip and a notice that he will not get another nickel beyond the $10 million he has already stolen from his hometown team. The Knicks are putting him in David Stern's court, which means they will make Brown fight for the balance of his $50 million deal before the only man in America who appreciates him less than the Garden suits who fired him.

Stern isn't blowing any $40 million goodbye kiss Brown's way, and you can take that to your friendly neighborhood bank. The commissioner is torn on the sore subject of Brown, and the conflict goes like this

He can't remember if he's angrier at the coach for negotiating with the Cavaliers smack in the middle of last year's Pistons-Spurs Finals, or for trashing his Olympic players and selection committee elders during the Summer Games meltdown in Greece.

Payback is a hitch, Larry, a snag in the arbitration process that leaves you to face the wrong judge and jury. Stern will look at Brown and see Mark Cuban times 10.

Don't worry, Brown won't have to sell the house in the Hamptons. He scored $13 million from Detroit during the 2004-05 year, including the buyout package. Over the last two seasons, he's earned $1 million for every victory he claimed in his dream (on) job of running the Knicks.

So at 23-59, Brown leaves New York as a disgrace to his own Hall of Fame career. He was so overmatched by the magnitude of the market, you would have thought he was raised in Boise, not Brooklyn.

Caveat emptor to the next rich fool who signs him up. Brown has now lorded over the biggest disasters in Olympic and NBA history, and everyone who helped bring him to the Garden is walking around looking 3 feet tall.

In the end, Brown was even outsmarted by James Dolan, an owner who doesn't lead the league in outsmarting people. Dolan called Brown into an early-morning meeting before yesterday's pre-draft workouts, put his successor-to-be, Isiah Thomas, on one flank, and a self-preserving executive, Steve Mills, on the other, and squeezed the coach out of a larger-than-life payday.

Dolan presented Brown with all sorts of conditions he needed to meet to keep his job, conditions the owner knew wouldn't be met. He wanted Brown to stop holding trade talks with other teams, to stop disparaging his roster, to stop announcing his benchings in the media before informing the involved players, and to stop blessing Thomas' moves before ridiculing them a week or two later.

It was like asking Brown to stop breathing.


As it became clear that this zebra wasn't willing to change even a single stripe, Dolan ending the meeting by firing Brown with cause, by claiming the coach refused to honor basic employee requirements, and by telling him the Knicks wouldn't pay him any more cash until ordered to do so by Stern.

"We hired (Brown) last summer with the expectation that he would be with the Knicks for a long time," Dolan said in a statement. "Sometimes decisions work and sometimes they don't."

They never work for Dolan's Knicks, so why should the decision to move Thomas to the bench be any different? He did a B-minus job coaching the Pacers, three full grades higher than Brown earned coaching the Knicks.

But Dolan isn't installing Thomas because he believes he's the best man for the job — he's putting him there to offset the money he's already wasted on Brown, Lenny Wilkens, and other broken-down parts Thomas brought in to expedite a rebuilding process going nowhere fast.

Chances are, Isiah will win 30-33 games next season, claim improvement, and survive until the middle of the following season, when the numbers catch up to him. If nothing else, Thomas doesn't get to be Scott Layden anymore. This is one tough guy from Chicago who's done hiding behind all those tall New York buildings, deking and ducking like a soft suburbanite.

Isiah's problems are Isiah's problems now, and as the coach, he'll have to answer for them every possession, every night. Knicks fans searching those ominous clouds for silver linings have to hope Thomas will be motivated to debunk the notions of another Larry, Bird, who thought Isiah was a lightweight and dumped him from the Pacer payroll.

Either way, Brown won't be around to drain any more millions out of this lost cause. The self-proclaimed "dead man walking" was finally put out of his misery, finally told that management would no longer suffer his flip-flopping on the likes of Steve Francis and Jalen Rose.

Brown can go coach high school ball now, and rip a bunch of 16-year-olds to the student paper. Or he can go find another NBA sucker out there, another narrow-minded desperado, because there's never a shortage of those.

But before then, Larry Brown can go to David Stern and read him prepared remarks on why he deserves that $40 million left on his deal.

You can call it a legend fighting for his contractual rights. I'll call it a man making his Hall of Shame induction speech.



[Edited by - crzymdups on 06-23-2006 11:15 AM]
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6/23/2006  11:11 AM
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http://www.thejournalnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060623/COLUMNIST03/606230362/1108/SPORTS01

Brown has already held up Knicks
By IAN O'CONNOR
THE JOURNAL NEWS


this article presents an interesting rundown of the Dolan/Brown meeting yesterday morning...

This is the perfect ending for Larry Brown, a pink slip and a notice that he will not get another nickel beyond the $10 million he has already stolen from his hometown team. The Knicks are putting him in David Stern's court, which means they will make Brown fight for the balance of his $50 million deal before the only man in America who appreciates him less than the Garden suits who fired him.

Stern isn't blowing any $40 million goodbye kiss Brown's way, and you can take that to your friendly neighborhood bank. The commissioner is torn on the sore subject of Brown, and the conflict goes like this

He can't remember if he's angrier at the coach for negotiating with the Cavaliers smack in the middle of last year's Pistons-Spurs Finals, or for trashing his Olympic players and selection committee elders during the Summer Games meltdown in Greece.

Payback is a hitch, Larry, a snag in the arbitration process that leaves you to face the wrong judge and jury. Stern will look at Brown and see Mark Cuban times 10.

Don't worry, Brown won't have to sell the house in the Hamptons. He scored $13 million from Detroit during the 2004-05 year, including the buyout package. Over the last two seasons, he's earned $1 million for every victory he claimed in his dream (on) job of running the Knicks.

So at 23-59, Brown leaves New York as a disgrace to his own Hall of Fame career. He was so overmatched by the magnitude of the market, you would have thought he was raised in Boise, not Brooklyn.

Caveat emptor to the next rich fool who signs him up. Brown has now lorded over the biggest disasters in Olympic and NBA history, and everyone who helped bring him to the Garden is walking around looking 3 feet tall.

In the end, Brown was even outsmarted by James Dolan, an owner who doesn't lead the league in outsmarting people. Dolan called Brown into an early-morning meeting before yesterday's pre-draft workouts, put his successor-to-be, Isiah Thomas, on one flank, and a self-preserving executive, Steve Mills, on the other, and squeezed the coach out of a larger-than-life payday.

Dolan presented Brown with all sorts of conditions he needed to meet to keep his job, conditions the owner knew wouldn't be met. He wanted Brown to stop holding trade talks with other teams, to stop disparaging his roster, to stop announcing his benchings in the media before informing the involved players, and to stop blessing Thomas' moves before ridiculing them a week or two later.

It was like asking Brown to stop breathing.

As it became clear that this zebra wasn't willing to change even a single stripe, Dolan ending the meeting by firing Brown with cause, by claiming the coach refused to honor basic employee requirements, and by telling him the Knicks wouldn't pay him any more cash until ordered to do so by Stern.

"We hired (Brown) last summer with the expectation that he would be with the Knicks for a long time," Dolan said in a statement. "Sometimes decisions work and sometimes they don't."

They never work for Dolan's Knicks, so why should the decision to move Thomas to the bench be any different? He did a B-minus job coaching the Pacers, three full grades higher than Brown earned coaching the Knicks.

But Dolan isn't installing Thomas because he believes he's the best man for the job — he's putting him there to offset the money he's already wasted on Brown, Lenny Wilkens, and other broken-down parts Thomas brought in to expedite a rebuilding process going nowhere fast.

Chances are, Isiah will win 30-33 games next season, claim improvement, and survive until the middle of the following season, when the numbers catch up to him. If nothing else, Thomas doesn't get to be Scott Layden anymore. This is one tough guy from Chicago who's done hiding behind all those tall New York buildings, deking and ducking like a soft suburbanite.

Isiah's problems are Isiah's problems now, and as the coach, he'll have to answer for them every possession, every night. Knicks fans searching those ominous clouds for silver linings have to hope Thomas will be motivated to debunk the notions of another Larry, Bird, who thought Isiah was a lightweight and dumped him from the Pacer payroll.

Either way, Brown won't be around to drain any more millions out of this lost cause. The self-proclaimed "dead man walking" was finally put out of his misery, finally told that management would no longer suffer his flip-flopping on the likes of Steve Francis and Jalen Rose.

Brown can go coach high school ball now, and rip a bunch of 16-year-olds to the student paper. Or he can go find another NBA sucker out there, another narrow-minded desperado, because there's never a shortage of those.

But before then, Larry Brown can go to David Stern and read him prepared remarks on why he deserves that $40 million left on his deal.

You can call it a legend fighting for his contractual rights. I'll call it a man making his Hall of Shame induction speech.

Crazy article but its valid. Needed to be written.
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6/23/2006  11:35 AM
Lots of opinions on all sides of the issue.

It will be interesting.

As usual, its more so off the court than on it.
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6/23/2006  12:00 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by Andrew:
Posted by EnySpree:

no i think they fired him because he did not even try to coach the team he had....wake the hell up already

We went to a game in Toronto and sat directly behind the Knick bench. The raps blew us out but not once did larry stop coaching. Not for a second. Your statement couldn't be further from the truth IMO.

If Dolan believes what you stated and held that standard to the players we would have about 3 guys left on the team.

Yeah but by then the Knicks already gave up on Brown.

I can believe to this day guys still back Brown....I just don't understand it. No one has backed Brown and gave a valid reason. Just what he did in other places. I though Brown would be great here, but then the season started. From game one Brown didn't do his job and alot of us were sitting right next to each other to see it!!!!!!.

I figured the Knicks still would have been a lotto team. No way in my wildest dreams did I think I would have seen Brown perform the way he did this year. No game plan, no rotation, and no confidence.

Why would you say someone didn't know where the 24 second clock was? Is that Brown coaching? That is the reason why the Knicks lost....not because someone actually said that, it's because Larry has taken more time to bash the players in the media than actually put a valid game plan for them to win.

Avery Johnson put everything on him after every loss. He said he had to figure out what he can change to get his guys on the winning track....that's in the Finals. Shaq kept praising Riley every chance he got. Riley is the master motivator. Wade scored the points but Riley regroup the troops and got the team playing inspired basketball.

I'm glad this is over with.......

Now we can be men again.

i back brown b/c whatever he did this season, he did it for a reason. the lineups, rotations, whining to the media, was all calculated. he did not go senile.
Fine; it wasn't senility. Let's call it insanity due to aging instead! Seriously, if someone told a coach to "act like you're senile or insane for a year," I can't think of one thing they'd do differently than Brown. Starting whatever player was playing in their home town was a classic!

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6/23/2006  1:25 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by TheSage:

Standard contracts permitting dismissal for cause would require, fraud, gross negiligence, material breach of corporate policy and the like. One cannot change trhe rules in midstream, declare that one has breached those rules and delare the contract void. What you are likely to see is a face saving move by Stern-something like present valuing the payment due arriving at number like 30-35 million allowing both sides to say they won. There will in all likelihood be a confidentiality clause in the final settlement. Anything less is likely to be appealed to the courts and neither side wants that public.

[Edited by - TheSage on 06-23-2006 10:21 AM]

Thanks, that sound more like it came from a lawyer. Recap: Dolan is grasping at straws.

Without drafting an actual "legal opinion", an arbitration is not bound by the substantive law or procedural law of the jurisdiction. In fact, arbitrators are afforded much latitude in crafting a remedy.

Larry Brown's improper statements about leaving Detroit while coaching them in the Finals have no actual bearing on the current situation, but such information does not necessarily need to be excluded in an arbitration. Furthermore, Brown's tendencies to speak outside the scope of his employment create a hostile environment to a team's organization, its players and its fans. His recent statements to the media in direct violation of Dolan's and/or Isiah's orders may only be an indication of his disloyalty. We are unaware of what other "directions" Larry Brown may have failed to follow.

It would appear that Larry Brown has unclean hands and thus should not fully benefit from the early termination of his contract. Could he get the entire $40 million? Yes, if the contract is construed strictly and there is no "material breach" otherwise apparent. Could he get nothing? Yes. Continual failure to comply with reasonable lawful directions by an employee under an employment contract is a material breach and entitles the Knicks' organization to rescind the contract. As stated, a compromise position is most likely in arbitrations. But, David Stern has wide latitude to interpret the contract and the facts surrounding its termination.

From a policy matter, David Stern needs to balance organization's interests in maintaining control of their employees and promoting faithful execution of contracts with the concern that organizations will attempt to use minor intrusions on team orders as a way of voiding a contract. Here, there are not enough facts, but if all we have is Larry Brown speaking out of turn, then he will get a large award. If he otherwise failed to perform or it looks like he was trying to get fired, he will get nothing. Everything else falls in between.
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6/23/2006  1:38 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by EnySpree:
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it's simple, brown was fired b/c dolan doesn't like him. brown was fired b/c dolan trusts isiah more.

and now they're trying to get out from paying him his full contract. it's an avenue they need to explore b/c it is alot of money.

but they reason he was fired is b/c they don't like him.

no i think they fired him because he did not even try to coach the team he had....wake the hell up already

no...he was fired b/c he wouldn't do what dolan asked him to do...which is basically become another "yes man". dolan has every right to fire him. but this is still not a good thing.

but it's set up perfectly. we win 35-40 wins next year, people will be doing backflips. we win 42 games the following year and make the 1st round, people will be doing cartwheels. and then when we max out at 45 wins and are right back into finding that next "mcdyess" trade and see that nothing really has changed, people will be on these boards b tching and moaning.

it's about the big picture. over a 3-4 year span, what is the best for this franchise? is it keeping a guy like lb and letting him do what he wants to do or dumping him after a year and keeping all these players together and letting them do what they want to do?

you think isiah has any real pull with them next season? he's a LAME DUCK coach. just like adelman was last year. it will look good early but the chances of it being sustained throughout the season are not that high. he does not have full backing from dolan. he won the battle with lb but he's very far from being the "chosen" one. his contract expires in december...which means he's on notice.

but it's ok...b/c the fanbase is so beaten that 35-40 wins is something to celebrate.

I agree that Larry wasn't fired because he didn't try to coach the team. As always, his problem was going behind his owners and GMs back and not worrying about making players and the GM look bad in public. In NY it seemed exagerated, because he seemed to be trying to make his point about what he wanted on the roster by purposely changing lineups night in and night out, regardless of injury. That's how he lost the players. Dolan and Isiah he lost with the lineup stuff and the media stuff. I think we all have to admit that Larry seriously underestimated how the NY Media would seize on these little tiffs and blow them out of proportion. Bottom line - he was fired because Dolan said, "look, you need to stop doing this media posturing and stop talking to other GMs and compromising Isiah's negotiations." larry said nope, he'd already lost over half the team so it was never going to work.

I mean, if David Lee and Frye are saying that Larry was making things confusing by changing the same play 4 times in a week - I think we have to admit Larry was doing something weird. Lee and Frye are two extremely smart/high bball IQ guys who were well coached in college for four years at top programs. If they are having problems understanding what Larry wants, something is wrong.

As far as Isiah not being a long-term solution, was Larry really going to stay until the end of his contract under any situation? I highly doubt it. He builds a team that he can coach and plays the way he wants to play and when he leaves, the team has to retool. Look at Philly, the team he arguably had the biggest hand in building and stuck around the longest - they're a wreck after he left and have just as much if not more rebuilding work to do than we do. I don't think Larry is a long-term solution or even a good coach to set a foundation. He's a great in-game coach for a team that is ready to make the leap like Detroit or Indiana.
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6/24/2006  10:40 AM
Posted by Ira:

I know this isn't going to happen, but I hope that Stern takes Dolan aside and tells him that if he wants any relief from the Brown contract he has to agree to sell the Knicks within the next year.


Good thought -unfortunately not going to happen. If it did (fingers and toes crossed) Dolan would try to lobby to remove the man who put BBall in the big time.
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6/24/2006  11:16 AM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by djsunyc:

it's simple, brown was fired b/c dolan doesn't like him. brown was fired b/c dolan trusts isiah more.

and now they're trying to get out from paying him his full contract. it's an avenue they need to explore b/c it is alot of money.

but they reason he was fired is b/c they don't like him.

no i think they fired him because he did not even try to coach the team he had....wake the hell up already

no...he was fired b/c he wouldn't do what dolan asked him to do...which is basically become another "yes man". dolan has every right to fire him. but this is still not a good thing.

but it's set up perfectly. we win 35-40 wins next year, people will be doing backflips. we win 42 games the following year and make the 1st round, people will be doing cartwheels. and then when we max out at 45 wins and are right back into finding that next "mcdyess" trade and see that nothing really has changed, people will be on these boards b tching and moaning.

it's about the big picture. over a 3-4 year span, what is the best for this franchise? is it keeping a guy like lb and letting him do what he wants to do or dumping him after a year and keeping all these players together and letting them do what they want to do?

you think isiah has any real pull with them next season? he's a LAME DUCK coach. just like adelman was last year. it will look good early but the chances of it being sustained throughout the season are not that high. he does not have full backing from dolan. he won the battle with lb but he's very far from being the "chosen" one. his contract expires in december...which means he's on notice.

but it's ok...b/c the fanbase is so beaten that 35-40 wins is something to celebrate.

I agree that Larry wasn't fired because he didn't try to coach the team. As always, his problem was going behind his owners and GMs back and not worrying about making players and the GM look bad in public. In NY it seemed exagerated, because he seemed to be trying to make his point about what he wanted on the roster by purposely changing lineups night in and night out, regardless of injury. That's how he lost the players. Dolan and Isiah he lost with the lineup stuff and the media stuff. I think we all have to admit that Larry seriously underestimated how the NY Media would seize on these little tiffs and blow them out of proportion. Bottom line - he was fired because Dolan said, "look, you need to stop doing this media posturing and stop talking to other GMs and compromising Isiah's negotiations." larry said nope, he'd already lost over half the team so it was never going to work.

I mean, if David Lee and Frye are saying that Larry was making things confusing by changing the same play 4 times in a week - I think we have to admit Larry was doing something weird. Lee and Frye are two extremely smart/high bball IQ guys who were well coached in college for four years at top programs. If they are having problems understanding what Larry wants, something is wrong.

As far as Isiah not being a long-term solution, was Larry really going to stay until the end of his contract under any situation? I highly doubt it. He builds a team that he can coach and plays the way he wants to play and when he leaves, the team has to retool. Look at Philly, the team he arguably had the biggest hand in building and stuck around the longest - they're a wreck after he left and have just as much if not more rebuilding work to do than we do. I don't think Larry is a long-term solution or even a good coach to set a foundation. He's a great in-game coach for a team that is ready to make the leap like Detroit or Indiana.



It is a common myth that arbitrators do not have to follow substantive law. It is only applicable when the law of the jurisdiction permits them to do so or when the contract specifically provides as such. In all other cases, the arbitrator must follow the substantive law. While I do not wish this the turn into a debate on the law, it should be noted that all or virtually every jurisdiction provides for appeals (albeit somewhat limited) for arbitration awards. That being the case Stern will attempt to fashion his award in the aforesaid manner.
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Posted by TheSage:
Posted by Ira:

I know this isn't going to happen, but I hope that Stern takes Dolan aside and tells him that if he wants any relief from the Brown contract he has to agree to sell the Knicks within the next year.


Good thought -unfortunately not going to happen. If it did (fingers and toes crossed) Dolan would try to lobby to remove the man who put BBall in the big time.
Dolan would just laugh. Cablevision probably makes Larry's $40 mil per hour!
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6/24/2006  9:33 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by djsunyc:

it's simple, brown was fired b/c dolan doesn't like him. brown was fired b/c dolan trusts isiah more.

and now they're trying to get out from paying him his full contract. it's an avenue they need to explore b/c it is alot of money.

but they reason he was fired is b/c they don't like him.

no i think they fired him because he did not even try to coach the team he had....wake the hell up already

no...he was fired b/c he wouldn't do what dolan asked him to do...which is basically become another "yes man". dolan has every right to fire him. but this is still not a good thing.

but it's set up perfectly. we win 35-40 wins next year, people will be doing backflips. we win 42 games the following year and make the 1st round, people will be doing cartwheels. and then when we max out at 45 wins and are right back into finding that next "mcdyess" trade and see that nothing really has changed, people will be on these boards b tching and moaning.

it's about the big picture. over a 3-4 year span, what is the best for this franchise? is it keeping a guy like lb and letting him do what he wants to do or dumping him after a year and keeping all these players together and letting them do what they want to do?

you think isiah has any real pull with them next season? he's a LAME DUCK coach. just like adelman was last year. it will look good early but the chances of it being sustained throughout the season are not that high. he does not have full backing from dolan. he won the battle with lb but he's very far from being the "chosen" one. his contract expires in december...which means he's on notice.

but it's ok...b/c the fanbase is so beaten that 35-40 wins is something to celebrate.

I agree that Larry wasn't fired because he didn't try to coach the team. As always, his problem was going behind his owners and GMs back and not worrying about making players and the GM look bad in public. In NY it seemed exagerated, because he seemed to be trying to make his point about what he wanted on the roster by purposely changing lineups night in and night out, regardless of injury. That's how he lost the players. Dolan and Isiah he lost with the lineup stuff and the media stuff. I think we all have to admit that Larry seriously underestimated how the NY Media would seize on these little tiffs and blow them out of proportion. Bottom line - he was fired because Dolan said, "look, you need to stop doing this media posturing and stop talking to other GMs and compromising Isiah's negotiations." larry said nope, he'd already lost over half the team so it was never going to work.

I mean, if David Lee and Frye are saying that Larry was making things confusing by changing the same play 4 times in a week - I think we have to admit Larry was doing something weird. Lee and Frye are two extremely smart/high bball IQ guys who were well coached in college for four years at top programs. If they are having problems understanding what Larry wants, something is wrong.

As far as Isiah not being a long-term solution, was Larry really going to stay until the end of his contract under any situation? I highly doubt it. He builds a team that he can coach and plays the way he wants to play and when he leaves, the team has to retool. Look at Philly, the team he arguably had the biggest hand in building and stuck around the longest - they're a wreck after he left and have just as much if not more rebuilding work to do than we do. I don't think Larry is a long-term solution or even a good coach to set a foundation. He's a great in-game coach for a team that is ready to make the leap like Detroit or Indiana.

SAS brought this up too, and he said Larry did this in BOTH Philly and Detroit. He said AI and Chauncy wanted to kill him because it made their job so much harder, but they fought through it.
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Brown fired for a reason....breach of contract?!?!?

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