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i think our draft is donme i think we gave promises to boone and lowry
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McK1
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6/15/2006  8:05 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by McK1:

Zeke and his staff played a big part in the development JO.

its no wonder he shoots so many jumpers, has the field goal percentage of a guard,
47.2% is at least average for a forward.
doesn't get to the line more
7.2 FTA/gm

the last time he played a full season: 43.4

for his career he is 46% - a guard number for a guy who is supposed to be a post up 4.

also

7.2 fta for a guy with O' Neals ability and athleticism is not something to write home about. Dirk through-out his career gets to the line more and O' Neal is supposed to be the post up guy

[Edited by - McK1 on 06-15-2006 8:06 PM]
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6/15/2006  8:25 PM
I agree that I think he underachieves, esp. in big moments, for a guy with his potential but it's hard for me to knock a guy who puts up 20, rebounds well, and blocks 2 to 3 shots a game. RE: Dirk: Jermaine's a good player but he's way below Dirk.
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6/15/2006  8:51 PM
Posted by McK1:

Zeke and his staff played a big part in the development JO.

its no wonder he shoots so many jumpers, has the field goal percentage of a guard, doesn't get to the line more, chokes in the playoffs, and isn't considered a leader

Tinsley's best season came under Carlisle and so did Ron's.

[Edited by - McK1 on 06-15-2006 5:13 PM]

um. In Isiah's three years in Indiana JO shot 46.5%, 47.9% and 48.4%. You'll notice an upwards trend there. Listen, I know you're spoiled with Curry shooting 56%, but 47-48% is pretty good for a PF who plays in the high/low post and on the wing and faces the basket. His FG% has been lower since Isiah left. Maybe there's something to those entry pass drills.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3120/career;_ylt=ApIUfgtKBxKC0YxP0Aus6XqkvLYF

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6/15/2006  8:53 PM
Posted by McK1:

there is no downside.

at least we agree on one thing.
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6/15/2006  9:07 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

Maybe there's something to those entry pass drills.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3120/career;_ylt=ApIUfgtKBxKC0YxP0Aus6XqkvLYF

couldn't have been much if by the numbers he forgot a season later.

O' Neal's activity on the floor has steadily slipped. Maybe he was depressed about Isiah. Apparently he's vowed to make amends with the fans and the organization:

Jermaine O'Neal is confident he'll be in an Indiana Pacers uniform next season, but he can't speak beyond that.

The All-Star forward said Wednesday during his first interview since the Pacers' season ended May 4 that next season could determine his future in Indianapolis. O'Neal's seven-year, $127 million deal expires in 2009-10.

"I told (Pacers CEO) Donnie (Walsh) after this year, if things don't work out, then I don't feel the need to have this organization, this city, the owners pay my salary," O'Neal said. ". . . If I can't get the job done and I don't have the year (I expect), I shouldn't be here. If I'm training and focusing at the highest level I've ever done and I still can't get the job done, then we have to cut ties."

He doesn't expect that to happen, however. O'Neal repeatedly said the Pacers are closer to contending than being in the NBA draft lottery, vowed to come into camp in the best shape of his life and guaranteed he'll have "a career year."

O'Neal plans to lower his playing weight from 265 to 250 pounds. He'll also start boxing to help his footwork and conditioning.

Walsh praised O'Neal's maturity and predicted that next year they'll talk "about what a great year he had and the team had."

O'Neal, limited to 95 games the past two seasons, also said he and president Larry Bird have mended their relationship.

"Me and Larry haven't had a relationship up until the end of the year when I met with him," O'Neal said. "We were on two totally different pages. I was thinking one thing; he was thinking another thing. We're fine now."
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6/15/2006  9:14 PM
....spoiled by Eddy Curry? did I just read that correctly?
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6/15/2006  9:46 PM
Posted by purple012870:

....spoiled by Eddy Curry? did I just read that correctly?

sarcasm...hopefully one day he will spoil us.
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6/16/2006  9:12 AM
I can't see how we would promise both our late first rounders already, but if this is the case, it wouldn't be such a bad thing.

Last year we made a promise to Frye pretty early and everybody including myself didn't approve -- we're more enamored with the unknown, the guy's that haven't had the ups and downs of a college career.

To me, getting two guys who play defense and come from solid programs would be an incredible draft. These guys will bang, defend, and do the little things. Boone could end up being a great defensive power forward next to Curry or Frye. He doesn't need the ball on offense and can defend the best opposing post player. I'm just in love with Lowry and feel like he is going to be a great leader, run a team to perfection without putting up great stats, but more importantly make a tremendous impact disrupting the other team's point. It's a HUGE advantage if you can stop the other point from penetrating, especially in today's league.
Posted by BRIGGS:

i think this is a mistake i think we shouldve kept our eyes open these kids werent going back to school anyway, so if they were there--they were there is that was the knicks opinion---its just the way things are run, its why the management is terrible and we will continue to suffer theyre way to rigid in their thinking-they always think they have everyone else beat out---- josh boone is a reasonable pick at 29 IF no one else fell OR other attractive options presented themselves, but lowry at 20 is absurd given we already have nate.


i still would much rather get into trade dialogue for JR Smith and this is coming from a guy who usually wanst to keep the pick[s] we couldve possibly paired the picks with a vet and moved up for someone much more apealling--i just believe we took options off the table--im almost convinced they have done this.

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 06-15-2006 2:42 PM]

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6/16/2006  10:22 AM
I might have missed this, but what makes you think we gave them promises? Just based on them failing to show up at workouts?
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6/16/2006  11:15 AM
When promises are made & the team has multiple picks, is it typical to promise a spot (i.e. if, in fact, we promised Boone, are we flexible with the 20th or 29th???).
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6/16/2006  11:52 AM
Most people miss the point with Lowry. Charlie Ward got **** on for years but you know what the guy played great perimter d and had a good presence out there, he wasn't a great player just played the right way.

Lowry is a leader, and everyone feeds off of him, from someone that went to nova i watched him closely, he has balls and fights on every play he is aggressive never gives up and cares about his teamates and the game, he isn't concerned with flewing after a dunk staring down a bench during a blowout and proclaiming his greatness.......

Some fans forget we used to be about pride, defense and team in this organization going to war every year during the playoffs as a unit that counted on each other......

You change culture with Playoffs, you bring in Cassell, Kidd, Nash obviously all great players the kid doesn't have that type of ceiling but you demand the respect you make everyone feel important and good things come into place......

Defense is our priority.....I would rather have this kid out there than half our team right now.........

Isiah is a terrible GM, and doesn't treat people with respect.....Everyone he brings in has their own agenda, and it doesn't involve the team.....its time for a change
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6/16/2006  5:08 PM
Posted by MS:

Most people miss the point with Lowry. Charlie Ward got **** on for years but you know what the guy played great perimter d and had a good presence out there, he wasn't a great player just played the right way.

Lowry is a leader, and everyone feeds off of him, from someone that went to nova i watched him closely, he has balls and fights on every play he is aggressive never gives up and cares about his teamates and the game, he isn't concerned with flewing after a dunk staring down a bench during a blowout and proclaiming his greatness.......

Some fans forget we used to be about pride, defense and team in this organization going to war every year during the playoffs as a unit that counted on each other......

You change culture with Playoffs, you bring in Cassell, Kidd, Nash obviously all great players the kid doesn't have that type of ceiling but you demand the respect you make everyone feel important and good things come into place......

Defense is our priority.....I would rather have this kid out there than half our team right now.........

Isiah is a terrible GM, and doesn't treat people with respect.....Everyone he brings in has their own agenda, and it doesn't involve the team.....its time for a change

Lowry could also be overwhelmed in the NBA by size. I consider pick 29 a pick wher i would be willing to grab a guy like Boone or Lowry, but pick 20 is high enough where I you try to use it as an asset that can help your club NOW. I really do think we can have JR Smith at 20--i dont really care about intangibles right now you cannot teach what he has. Can Lowry or Boone stop or stay in front of guys like Lebron Wade Bosh etc.... no. But at 6-7 225 JR Smith CAN. I would only plead that NY manangement consider looking into this kid--maybe he can be had for 29--who knows? but we have to consider the UNDENEATH core the TEAM--we cannot consider guys like Marbury etc.. when making decisions. JR is perfect for an open floor game and long, strong and athletic enough to become a great defender. If we have such greta coaches and players in Isiah and LB, they can get their arses on the court and make these kids play smart. EVERYONE can play hard and smart--basketball is a very easy game--stay in front of your man--play hard---pass if you are not open--get as close to the basket as possible for shots etc...
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6/16/2006  5:14 PM
Posted by MS:

Most people miss the point with Lowry. Charlie Ward got **** on for years but you know what the guy played great perimter d and had a good presence out there, he wasn't a great player just played the right way.

Lowry is a leader, and everyone feeds off of him, from someone that went to nova i watched him closely, he has balls and fights on every play he is aggressive never gives up and cares about his teamates and the game, he isn't concerned with flewing after a dunk staring down a bench during a blowout and proclaiming his greatness.......

Some fans forget we used to be about pride, defense and team in this organization going to war every year during the playoffs as a unit that counted on each other......

You change culture with Playoffs, you bring in Cassell, Kidd, Nash obviously all great players the kid doesn't have that type of ceiling but you demand the respect you make everyone feel important and good things come into place......

Defense is our priority.....I would rather have this kid out there than half our team right now.........

Isiah is a terrible GM, and doesn't treat people with respect.....Everyone he brings in has their own agenda, and it doesn't involve the team.....its time for a change


One big mistake people are making is assuming Patrick Ewing is still playing C or that Houston Sprewell and Camby are in their prime here. We DO NOT have that talent level. We have guys who put up numbers, but they are not those guys--Q-rich doesnt touch H20 no one up front is as good s camby now, forget about 5 years ago, and there is no one like sprewell on the team.


the team has an underneath core, but it lacks a star talent I really do think that JR has star potential


look at the future team like this

C-Curry
F-Frye
F-Lee
G Smith
G Crawford
C Butler
F Boone
F Woods
G insert
G Nate

let these guys stay together and let the others run their contracts out

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6/16/2006  5:25 PM
Interesting take. I'd be lying if I said I knew much about JR Smith other than the basic stuff. Physical ability is obviously there, but I'm not sure why you value him more than a Deshawn Stevenson type. More than a little troubling that he's already had difficulties with coaching.

Question: I know you're a Redick guy. So am I. If he happens to drop due to the myriad of issues (back, DUI, athleticism), who would you take, Redick @ 20 or a trade for Smith @ 20?
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6/16/2006  7:04 PM
lowry is a strong kid, good defender and penetrator, He is the kind of kid that can blossom and be the leader the knicks lack....
Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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6/16/2006  7:06 PM
again, with marbury, francis, crawford, nate, and quentin - where exactly does a guard get PT?
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6/16/2006  7:09 PM
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6/16/2006  7:50 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

again, with marbury, francis, crawford, nate, and quentin - where exactly does a guard get PT?

Go small. Put Nate at center.
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