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gr33d
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6/14/2006  9:58 PM
Posted by McK1:

gm 1 Dec 7 - Kaman 4 pts (2-8) 5 rebs 0 stls 1 asst 3 blocks

gm 2 Feb 7 - Kaman 22 pts on 10-16 shooting, 11 boards 2 assists 1 stl 1 block

gm 1 Curry 24 pts (9-13) 11 rebs 1 ast 1 stl 3 blks

gm 2 Curry 14 pts (5-7) 3 rebs 0 assts 0 stls 0 blocks


Curry dominated the early game. Kaman dominated the late one.

if you want versatility and activity out of the center position Kaman is the choice hands down.

you want a guy that you hope can be an anchor offensively you go with Curry.

question is:

how many GM's choose the activity and versatility from Kaman and try and land a star at another position to pair him with route over hoping Curry's game expands enough that he is an anchor...besides Zeke ?


[Edited by - McK1 on 06-14-2006 9:27 PM]

We were put into a cap/draft situation by our previous GM that left little wiggle room. We traded for Curry based on position and potential (game changing potential). Isiah said from day one, he'd have to be creative and take chances. That we did, now comes the patience part.

I understand what you're saying and Kaman is a nice solid player. But Elton Brand (types) aren't just falling into our laps for nothing, like they did for the Clips. He's that star you're talking about I assume?

Trading for all-stars doesn't happen every day, that's all I'm saying. We just didn't have the resources to get a bonifide all-star in return, so we did the next best thing.

Isiah underestimated our poor season, but we have to put it behind us. Making sure, we do NOT have a repeat performance next season.

[Edited by - gr33d on 06-14-2006 10:13 PM]
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6/15/2006  12:22 AM
Posted by NotFrye:
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We couldn't get chris kaman for curry at this point. The best option is to take the hit and move on. Hopefully Curry can be a quality backup at the 5 spot/ a taller, more athletic michael sweetney; start dlee and Channing at the 4/5

That's probably because Kaman is a better overall center than Curry at this point.

Would you trade 2 #1s and 2 #2s for Chris Kaman? That's what we did here. Isiah is a bonehead, time to move on...

Curry has the potential to be ALOT better than Kaman, but he isn't. Not at this point. That's what the trade was about. I still do think that Zeke overpaid though.
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6/15/2006  8:53 AM
Posted by gr33d:

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We were put into a cap/draft situation by our previous GM that left little wiggle room. We traded for Curry based on position and potential (game changing potential). Isiah said from day one, he'd have to be creative and take chances. That we did, now comes the patience part.

Isiah has been after Curry and Crawford since his Indy days. he had to have both no matter the cost.

he started with all his picks. he made the Marbury trade and started this snowball. threads pop up every other day about trade ideas or just fan appreciation for players from that 04 class.

there was marginal upside and a huge downside to dealing for Curry and as bad as last season was, I don't believe we've seen the worst yet.
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6/15/2006  9:05 AM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by gr33d:

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We were put into a cap/draft situation by our previous GM that left little wiggle room. We traded for Curry based on position and potential (game changing potential). Isiah said from day one, he'd have to be creative and take chances. That we did, now comes the patience part.

Isiah has been after Curry and Crawford since his Indy days. he had to have both no matter the cost.

he started with all his picks. he made the Marbury trade and started this snowball. threads pop up every other day about trade ideas or just fan appreciation for players from that 04 class.

there was marginal upside and a huge downside to dealing for Curry and as bad as last season was, I don't believe we've seen the worst yet.

I see the that it has Huge downside and Huge upside....was it worth a first round pick and a swap and 2 2nd rounders? In Hindsight no, but IF Curry gets to his potential and averages 24, 9, and a block or 2 with an inside defensive presence, and we end up having one of the top centers in the league, it may be worth it.
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6/15/2006  9:21 AM
where are you getting his potential at 24 9 and 2 from?

for Ed to accomplish such numbers he'd have to completely change his body plus redefine most of who he is as a basketball player

the best he ever reported was at 280 lbs of chub and that resulted in the whole ephreda/irregular heartbeat episode

he may become a better shooter but he is not the quickest thinking guy out there. Asking him to turn and beat defenses has the potential for worst results then dumping it into him and asking him to beat defenses.

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6/15/2006  11:23 AM
Posted by McK1:

where are you getting his potential at 24 9 and 2 from?

for Ed to accomplish such numbers he'd have to completely change his body plus redefine most of who he is as a basketball player

That's ridiculous. He doesn't need to "completely change his body". He just has to be dedicated and work on his game. He can score 24 now, if he stays out of foul trouble. 9 rebounds he can get with some better positioning. Do I think he'll do it? No. But his body is plenty capable. Its his mind that's soft.
he may become a better shooter but he is not the quickest thinking guy out there. Asking him to turn and beat defenses has the potential for worst results then dumping it into him and asking him to beat defenses.

Perhaps.
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6/15/2006  11:43 AM
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That's ridiculous. He doesn't need to "completely change his body". He just has to be dedicated and work on his game. He can score 24 now, if he stays out of foul trouble. 9 rebounds he can get with some better positioning. Do I think he'll do it? No. But his body is plenty capable. Its his mind that's soft.

how many minutes a night do you feel Curry would have to play to avg 24 & 9?

his career high so far is 29 and that year he averaged 15 & 6. with the shape he is in now would 5 or 6 minutes a night result in him almost doubling his scoring average and upping his rebounding by 3 boards over the course of 70 to 82 games?

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6/15/2006  12:07 PM
Ok, actually, I'll grant you that 24 is a lot.
But 15 points in 29 minutes is 20 points in 40 minutes.
Which is nothing to sneeze at. Can he play 40 minutes?
I don't know.
Even if he only does play 29 minutes and his backup scores
8 points in 18 muntes that's pretty good production out of that position.
Would I trade everything we did for that? No.
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6/15/2006  12:11 PM
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6/15/2006  12:12 PM
"But 15 points in 29 minutes is 20 points in 40 minutes."

how does a little stumbling blocks such as fatigue factor into such extrapolations?
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6/15/2006  12:15 PM
I'm not disagreeing with you on that.
He definitely needs to get conditioned, no doubt about it.
I guess I thought you were saying he didn't have the body type to do it.
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6/15/2006  12:31 PM
Posted by McK1:

where are you getting his potential at 24 9 and 2 from?

for Ed to accomplish such numbers he'd have to completely change his body plus redefine most of who he is as a basketball player

the best he ever reported was at 280 lbs of chub and that resulted in the whole ephreda/irregular heartbeat episode

he may become a better shooter but he is not the quickest thinking guy out there. Asking him to turn and beat defenses has the potential for worst results then dumping it into him and asking him to beat defenses.

So you are telling me if Curry doesn't become a focal point of he offense he can't average 8 more points? If he flips the switch he can't average 3 more rebounds? Curry has the potential to exceed the numbers I stated, no? It's a matter of getting him to flip the switch.....which isn't so easy, I agree, but I am speaking in hypotheticals.
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6/15/2006  12:34 PM
Curry is big and athletic with a soft touch inside

At the time Krause likely felt that had a 6' 11 version of Brand IF...

Isiah besides the man crush he has had on him and Crawford since Indy likely saw it like I can make him great or at the least he had a 6' 11 version of Sweetney IF...

Isiah must truly feel he is some kind of basketball Jesus if after watching him do nothing to justify trading Brand in Chicago, he made the deal for him he made with Chicago.
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6/15/2006  12:37 PM
If Curry gets his per minutes average up 36mpg, even at his diminished scoring and rebounding rates of last season he would average 18.8ppg and 8.3rpg and 1.2bpg.

Also, despite shooting 56% from the field, under Larry the genius he averaged 3.3 fewer FGA than he had the previous season in Chicago. If you stretch his numbers in the previous season from Chicago where he had a full off-season to workout at 36mpg they would be 20.2ppg, 7rpg (he actually rebounded at a much better rate as a Knick).

I think 17ppg and 7rpg are fair expectations for Curry next season in about 30-32mpg.
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6/15/2006  12:47 PM
in Chicago he shared shot attempts with Gordon Hinrich Deng and Nocioni.

in NY Marbury Frye Taylor Q Nate Crawford later Rose.

maybe thats why his field goal attempts dipped. someone has yet to inform Isiah there is only 1 ball.
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6/16/2006  8:01 AM
Posted by McK1:

in Chicago he shared shot attempts with Gordon Hinrich Deng and Nocioni.

in NY Marbury Frye Taylor Q Nate Crawford later Rose.

maybe thats why his field goal attempts dipped. someone has yet to inform Isiah there is only 1 ball.

Yeah because its isiah coaching not LB.
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6/16/2006  10:05 AM
last night shaq had 16/11, and the heat won...it's not so much about getting curry his stats, but more getting the other team to account for him and opening it up for other players, the same new york balling style used by a penetrating point guard, force them to account for the unstoppable in single coverage, take advantage of the openings with movement and cutting to the hoop AND leaving marksmen at the arc for the open 3.

One thing for sure, the last two games have rendered a bunch of "is the post up offense dead" posts to "can the fun and gun win a championship"
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6/16/2006  10:16 AM
can Curry pass like Shaq? if so then we're in great shape.
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6/16/2006  10:17 AM
can Marbury carry a team like Dwayne Wade? if so then that makes NY elite.

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6/16/2006  10:19 AM
do NY's role players have the skill level of guys like Walker Williams Posey and Mourning? if so then we should be playing for a title next season.

[Edited by - McK1 on 06-16-2006 10:19 AM]
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