Posted by nixluva:

I really don't get how unreasonable some fans are when it comes to Curry. The man is the same age as Frye!!! He didn't play college ball and trust me he needed it. You play in the pros and there isn't as much actual practice time to work on your game. People think that just because you're in the pros that you should just get better faster, but that's not how it works, which is why they have the NBDL. THINK PEOPLE! Curry is a victim of the expectations that shouldn't have been placed on him so early. I think he's a better player than many of you realize and you're lack of patience will come back to bite you in the arse.

i agree to an extent. a big part of my criticisms of him are directly related to the price we paid for him. i'll admit that has something to do with it. but i'm not sure if you were around last summer but i made a post called the 2005 NO THANKS CLUB comprised of players i did not want on this team. guys on the list were dampier, ratliff, webber, wally z, etc. and also on the list was eddy curry. you see, i was never a fan of his. i saw sweetney take it to him like a little girl. i saw him disappear time and time again down the stretch of games in chicago. i just didn't see anything special in him other than being a complimentary player.

so my expectations from him are very low. i don't expect him to be the once in 10-20 years center that isiah called him. i see him as nazr on roids. a nice complimentary piece but ultimately will not be the deciding factor in many important games...just like in chicago.

i'm not being unreasonable - i'm just stating my opinion on the guy.

and frye, even tho he's the same age, is different. you can see it. i have a feeling that curry is tim thomas all over again. a guy with alot of tools but will ultimately leave you frustrated.

and 5 years in the nba should be a little bit better than 4 years in college.

worry not my friends

next year when Pax is playing lotto with NY's ping pong balls we can all rejoice in the fact he is only 24 and if he'd have went to college and actually stayed he'd just be coming off his rookie year

Posted by TMS:

Posted by newyorknewyork:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by bobs3304:

Curry for Dalembert baby!

i wouldn't go that far, but i would definitely do something like this:

Curry, Nate & both picks for Dalembert & Iguodala

Hmmm. How about this trade
Knicks trade Rose, Taylor, Frye, Nate, #29
Philly trades Webber, Iggy, Ollie, Salmons(cap filler)
Bobcats trade Wallace & Knight
Knicks get Webber, Wallace, Ollie, Salmons
Philly gets Rose, Taylor, Frye, Knight
Bobcats get Iggy, Nate, #29

i would definitely try to get Dalembert as part of that deal cuz w/o him this team would be way too exposed in the frontcourt D:

NY trades Curry, Jalen, Frye, Nate & the #29
NY gets Dalembert, Webber, Wallace & Knight

PHI trades Webber, Iggy, Dalembert
PHI gets Rose, Frye, Curry

CHA trades Knight & Wallace
CHA gets Nate, Iggy & the #29

new Knicks:
C - Dalembert / Butler
PF - Webber / Lee / Malik
SF - Wallace / Q Rich / Woods
SG - Poisonbury / Francine
PG - Knight / Crawford
IR - Big Turd / Mo T / #20 pick

[Edited by - TMS on 06-13-2006 5:33 PM]

Other than Marbury at SG which he could deal with. Larry Brown would do carwheels over that starting lineup. I think Philly would want Knight BAD though. As he would be there Eric Snow and be prefect to move Iverson back to SG. Id settle for Ollie. Draft Collins at 20. See if I could move one of the guards for Ratliff or something. Q1, Francis, Taylor for Ratliff, Miles, Skinner & #31(Works under trade checker).
Dalembert/Ratliff/Butler
Webber/Skinner/Lee
Wallace/Miles/Woods
Marbury/Crawford/Woods
Collins/Crawford/Ollie
Buyout M.Rose & J.James.
I know its a fantasy, but its for fun.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/member/article_10247.shtml

From HOOPSWORLD.com
Was Eddy Curry Worth The Pick?
By Wendell Maxey Jr., Tommy Beer, Yael Shacham
May 27, 2006, 10:00


"He has to go through the trials and tribulations of a big man. He's only (23), so he has time. Because there aren't that many guys that came in at (23) and have the "dominant" next to their names. He has plenty of time to get to the Shogun level. By that time, I'll be done." -Miami's Shaquille O'Neal on Eddy Curry

When the New York Knicks acquired Eddy Curry in a trade last summer with the Chicago Bulls for Tim Thomas and Michael Sweetney, the biggest concern wasn't Curry's heart condition. It was the "other" player involved in the trade: The future first round draft pick. That future pick is now the present. The second overall pick in this year's NBA Draft belongs to the Bulls, not the Knicks. Thus the debate.

Was Eddy Curry really worth giving up a number two pick?

Yael: It has become a trend to find fault in every move the Knicks make lately. But sometimes it's simply not true. In this case, giving up two first and second round draft picks to Chicago in exchange for Eddy Curry's services may not be such a big mistake. Until Curry arrived in the Big Apple, the Knicks were about to make Jerome James their starting center. Talk about big mistakes. Thomas had just invited James to play in New York for the nice contract of $29 million over five years. But then Thomas righted by making the deal with the Chicago Bulls for Curry. Curry is not the best center in the league and he may never be that, but he is young, talented and very athletic for his size. He's also very committed to improving. When Curry came to New York, his heart problem hanging over his head. But it wasn't much of an issue during the season. Assistant coach Mark Aguirre, who trains the big guys on the Knicks' roster, found a player that has a lot to learn in Curry, and already has enough talent and skill to instantly contribute. So was he worth it? So far, the answer is yes. This year's draft has a lot less talent then prior drafts. There's no LeBron, Dwyane or Carmelo, no Chris Paul or Andrew Bogut. The common belief is if Curry would have been a prospect this year he would have been selected as the overall No. 1 pick. The real problem with the trade lies in the fact that Thomas actually gave up more than this year's first round pick. He also gave up the right for next year's first round pick, two second round picks (in 2007 and 2009), which leaves the Knicks with pretty much nothing but trade options. With the highest salary in the NBA, that could be a problem. Still, all in all the Knicks are better off having one valid center over any future promises.

Tommy: Ok Yael, I see where you are coming from, but I have to disagree. I have no problem giving up the number two overall pick this year. This draft is one of the weakest draft classes in recent memory. Names like LaMarcus Aldridge, Rudy Gay, and Tyrus Thomas certainly won't get confused with Timmy Duncan or LeBron James any time soon. In fact, it is true that if Eddy Curry were coming out of college and was eligible for this draft he would likely go in the top three, and possibly #1 overall. Unfortunately, this says a whole lot more about this crop of draft picks, as opposed to Curry's potential However, that is not the heart of the issue. The deal-breaker is the high lottery pick the Knicks may potentially forfeit next season (the Bulls have the option to swap first-round picks with the Knicks in 2007).

If the Knicks pick next season turns into the top pick for the Bulls - the Knicks as an organization would have to deal with irreparable physiological scars. The key name here is Greg Oden. Currently a high school senior, Oden will be attending Ohio State next season. The 7-footer has dominated the high school ranks since he was a sophomore and was named Parade Magazine High School Player of the Year 2005, becoming the first junior since LeBron to be named the POY. If the NBA had not instituted the age requirement for teenagers, Oden would be the number one pick in this June's draft. Moreover, there are a few other stud prospects that will likely be eligible in 2007 including Joakim Noah, Josh McRoberts, and slew of other raw big men in Oden's high school class. But make no mistake; the mortal sin would be giving up Oden. He is considered by many to be a potentially dominant, franchise center - which are becoming extinct. If that becomes reality - the Knicks are forced to give up the right to select Oden - that would be a devastating blow to the organization. Unfortunately, this scenario is likely in the back of everyone's mind who works for the Knicks - Isiah Thomas first and foremost. What has to worry Knicks fans is that Isiah will likely sacrifice the long-term future of the team just so he doesn't become known as the guy who traded Greg Oden.

Wendell: The more we talk about this, the easier it is to understand the Knicks did the right thing. If Isiah Thomas had to do it all over again, he would still make the trade for Curry (although keeping Tim Thomas around is looking mighty good about now). Heck, trading the second overall pick to the Bulls for Curry could have been a draft day reality for Knicks fans. If the Knicks secured the pick, chances are Isiah would have been plotting to get an anchor for the Knicks post. Think about it. Curry is 6-11, 285 pounds, is 23 years old, and has great hands for a big man. When critics, scouts, or NBA analyst say the phrase, "He has a great upside.", they are talking about a player like Curry. If Curry was in this year's NBA draft, the Knicks would have taken him. Chances are though the Toronto Raptors would have snatched him up first. Here's the good news Knicks fans: This is one pain you won't have to suffer through any longer. Enjoy the day knowing you already have the best player available in this year's draft.

Curry is worth it. We know a lot about his game. We've been there when he throws it down on somebody's head. We've seen him run the floor, own the post, and share the ball. We've seen the Garden go crazy for the kid. Now we just need to see it more and more often. Hey, we all made mistakes in our younger days. Curry's downfall is his lack of conditioning. But if this is the lone knock on the guy, I'll take it. He's got the size and the game. He just needs polishing. Curry finished the season averaging 13.6 points per game and 6 rebounds per game. That's not exactly Kevin Garnett type numbers. But it's a whole lot better than what any of the Top 10 picks in this year's NBA Draft will boast.

Posted by newyorknewyork:

Posted by crzymdups:

That is the stupidest, least likely trade I have ever seen. No wonder you guys are always disappointed.

You hurt my feelings crzymdups. I thought we were friends.

sorry, man. the level of ridiculousness around here is getting to me. two weeks ago we had to build like phoenix, this week its dallas. god forbid the heat come back to win it all, we'll have to build like the heat next. and suddenly Curry is worthless because people like to play mock draft on espn and chad ford likes to make fun of us.

crzymdups - I hope you are right about Curry. I hope he realizes his potential and make MSG whole again. BUT....I would still like to see Frye, Lee and Q2 in the frontline next year with Curry coming off the bench. It just makes more sense to me. He can feast on the other teams 2nd stringers.

Posted by crzymdups:

That is the stupidest, least likely trade I have ever seen. No wonder you guys are always disappointed.

ok, i'll play along... what's so stupid about it? i'm curious what makes you feel that way... do you think the Knicks are getting hosed, or the other teams? personally, i see the tradeoffs in talent to be pretty equitable, & i usually try to err on the side of conservatism when it comes to thinking up these trade packages to make sure other teams get fair value in return.

not likely? well sure... so are about 99.9% of every trade proposal that's posted on these forums... what the F else do we have to talk about these days?

Posted by McK1:

if NY had the 2, Knick boards would be littered with Jermaine O'Neal and KG to NY scenarios. Not ONE person would be saying hey lets swap for Curry.

and the other point of that article: "noone going top 10 will get 13 & 6"

if you believe that put money up. $10 per person that puts up similar numbers vs 100$ if none do

A) ...and the KG and JO rumors would be total BS.

B) everyone on the entire Knicks roster put up career lows. but I guess that's their fault instead of the great Larry Brown, who clearly had a style of play, rotation, defined role and plan to maximize his players' ability.