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holfresh
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6/9/2006  6:43 PM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by knicks1248:

I think if people would stop classifing Steph as a pg instead of a just a guard who can play both shooting, and point, you would apprecciate him more, and utilize him better.

If the blind man building the team would've held on to Frank Williams or acquired a one post Craw trade, Marbury's defeciencies on court would've been maskable



Is Frank Williams in the NBA?


You must prefer his 1.9 assist per game to Marbs 8 per career numbers....I guess the execs in Chicago is also blind to release him...





[Edited by - holfresh on 06-09-2006 6:45 PM]
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6/9/2006  6:48 PM
Posted by knicks1248:

His defeciencies at the point are no worse then 85 pct of the pgs in this league, the only reason his are magnifide is because of his massive scoring abilty makes him look like a selfish player.

I agree. lack of leadership tempo setting and floor reading from the point guard position is a league-wide problem. however 85% of the points aren't making an avg of 20 mill over the next 3 years or are considered the face of the franchise and unfoundedly put in a position of high authority and high exposure by the executives of those franchises.
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6/9/2006  6:53 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by knicks1248:

I think if people would stop classifing Steph as a pg instead of a just a guard who can play both shooting, and point, you would apprecciate him more, and utilize him better.

If the blind man building the team would've held on to Frank Williams or acquired a one post Craw trade, Marbury's defeciencies on court would've been maskable



Is Frank Williams in the NBA?


You must prefer his 1.9 assist per game to Marbs 8 per career numbers....I guess the execs in Chicago is also blind to release him...





[Edited by - holfresh on 06-09-2006 6:45 PM]

still missing the forest.

Williams was the backup point. After him Moochie.

Pax aka "bend over Isiah and grab your ankles" had Hinrich and Duhon. Williams keeping or not didn't matter to them.
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6/9/2006  7:08 PM
I thought Frank Williams would at least go to Europe or something, but he seems to have dropped off the face of the earth.

It looked for a while there like he could be a decent backup point guard.
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6/10/2006  12:19 PM
and as mck1 refuses to acknowledge he'- not even in the league...mck1 give it up, you actually (i pray jokingly) suggested we keep him.

get off marbs...please!
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6/10/2006  12:26 PM
Posted by rvhoss:

and as mck1 refuses to acknowledge he'- not even in the league...mck1 give it up, you actually (i pray jokingly) suggested we keep him.

get off marbs...please!

I swear you and hol must be Marbuy's left and right eye cause you both have tunnel vision:

original statement:

If the blind man building the team would've held on to Frank Williams or acquired a one post Craw trade, Marbury's defeciencies on court would've been maskable

its not about frank williams, its about what he represented and what has yet to be replaced sent the trade that brought Crawful. He was an

able for stretches to run a team, pass-first, defensive minded point guard.

its been 2 full-seasons and the only thing thast remotely resembled a 2nd point guard on the ****ing squad was Moochie.

Most teams carry 3. the idiot GM has supplied his last 3 coaches with 3/4 of 1 in Steph and moochie.

[Edited by - McK1 on 06-10-2006 12:27 PM]
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6/10/2006  12:33 PM
marbs has been here a little over 2 seasons, he was finally living up to his billing and he got hurt.

and you want him banned from new york.

accept his share of blame? who actually has? and if he was to go to the podium and say it was my fault, would that chabge you opinion of him? ofcourse not, so don't go bull****ting a bull****ter and say...

"if marbs would just accept his share of the blame..."

what is it you really want from him?
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6/10/2006  12:38 PM
"living up to his billing and he got hurt"

you do realize NY was 11 games under .500 at that point and headed to loss no. 22 at home to Minny before he got hurt late in the game vs Minny.

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6/10/2006  12:42 PM
what's your point. and why did you ignore the rest of the post.

after the new year we were all in agreement that everyone was finally on the same page and marbs got hurt.

answer the rest of the post.

what is it you really want from him?

[Edited by - rvhoss on 06-10-2006 12:44 PM]
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6/10/2006  12:47 PM
Posted by rvhoss:

what's your point. and why did you ignore the rest of the post.

after the new year we were all in agreement that everyone was finally on the same page and marbs got hurt.

answer the rest of the post.

what is it you really want from him?

[Edited by - rvhoss on 06-10-2006 12:44 PM]

because the quote wasn't from me.

but to answer you

Marbury is a cancer. his relationship with isiah has given no coach any real strength and credibility and has turned off every true professional athlete and executive that was involved with the organization.

GET RID OF THEM BOTH. THEY ARE A FRANCHISE DESTROYING PLAGUE

now why didn't you answer my post about the clown in charge not supplying his coaches and team with a viable back-up option at point guard?

[Edited by - McK1 on 06-10-2006 12:48 PM]
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6/10/2006  5:15 PM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by rvhoss:

what's your point. and why did you ignore the rest of the post.

after the new year we were all in agreement that everyone was finally on the same page and marbs got hurt.

answer the rest of the post.

what is it you really want from him?

[Edited by - rvhoss on 06-10-2006 12:44 PM]

because the quote wasn't from me.

but to answer you

Marbury is a cancer. his relationship with isiah has given no coach any real strength and credibility and has turned off every true professional athlete and executive that was involved with the organization.

GET RID OF THEM BOTH. THEY ARE A FRANCHISE DESTROYING PLAGUE

now why didn't you answer my post about the clown in charge not supplying his coaches and team with a viable back-up option at point guard?

[Edited by - McK1 on 06-10-2006 12:48 PM]


You keep harping about a back-up point...Do you really think that was the issue with the Knicks last year...Do you really think he would have feared better than Craw?

Plase the Knicks have bigger fish to fry...
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6/10/2006  5:25 PM
Posted by holfresh:



You keep harping about a back-up point...Do you really think that was the issue with the Knicks last year...Do you really think he would have feared better than Craw?




yes and the year before.

fared better than Craw...is that a trick question

if we had signed a guy like Damon Stoudamire to the MLE instead of James, NY would've been a much better team
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6/10/2006  5:29 PM
Let me ask this, if Brown gets fired (finally I guess) and Marbury is not traded, and the team goes on to suck again, will the question of IT being a bad GM and possibly coach finally go to rest? Cause if thats what it takes for the likes of Dolan to get rid of the real cancer of this team, IT, than I'm all up for that.
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6/10/2006  5:56 PM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by holfresh:



You keep harping about a back-up point...Do you really think that was the issue with the Knicks last year...Do you really think he would have feared better than Craw?




yes and the year before.

fared better than Craw...is that a trick question

if we had signed a guy like Damon Stoudamire to the MLE instead of James, NY would've been a much better team



At the time of the JJ signing, our priority was not a PG but a Center...If we signed another shoot first PG who is a defensive liability, you would have been pissing in your panties all season long...



[Edited by - holfresh on 06-10-2006 5:58 PM]
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6/10/2006  6:07 PM
if brown gets fired and the knicks suck AGAIN, and by sucking they don't win more than 33 games, then yes, Isiah has to go as does marbury.

I have no problem saying that.
Posted by simrud:

Let me ask this, if Brown gets fired (finally I guess) and Marbury is not traded, and the team goes on to suck again, will the question of IT being a bad GM and possibly coach finally go to rest? Cause if thats what it takes for the likes of Dolan to get rid of the real cancer of this team, IT, than I'm all up for that.

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6/10/2006  6:12 PM
Thats fair enough. Lets just see then.
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6/10/2006  6:23 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by holfresh:



You keep harping about a back-up point...Do you really think that was the issue with the Knicks last year...Do you really think he would have feared better than Craw?




yes and the year before.

fared better than Craw...is that a trick question

if we had signed a guy like Damon Stoudamire to the MLE instead of James, NY would've been a much better team



At the time of the JJ signing, our priority was not a PG but a Center...If we signed another shoot first PG who is a defensive liability, you would have been pissing in your panties all season long...



[Edited by - holfresh on 06-10-2006 5:58 PM]


getting good basketball players was the priority

as for Damon he hasn't been one to just put it up since dunleavy got a hold of him.

and Isiah doesn't care about his teams ability to defend, hence the best and only defenders we had were 30 something Malik and AD. in the minds of some, he is building Soons East. Suns win with good ball players, not window dressing signees such as Jerome James.

btw
I got my panties on my head like Billy Bob daydreaming about the good times when my Knicks were the Angelina Jolie of basketball
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6/10/2006  6:25 PM
Posted by rvhoss:

if brown gets fired and the knicks suck AGAIN, and by sucking they don't win more than 33 games, then yes, Isiah has to go as does marbury.

I have no problem saying that.
Posted by simrud:

Let me ask this, if Brown gets fired (finally I guess) and Marbury is not traded, and the team goes on to suck again, will the question of IT being a bad GM and possibly coach finally go to rest? Cause if thats what it takes for the likes of Dolan to get rid of the real cancer of this team, IT, than I'm all up for that.
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6/10/2006  6:32 PM
Isiah's contract is up in December. would Dolan extend him for being in 10th place in the East come December
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6/10/2006  6:36 PM
Of the questions posed by Bippity, I'll take two.

First, in terms of style of play, Bippity is 100% right in suggesting that there isn't one. "Sharing the ball and covering for players on defense" is not a style of play. Playing hard is not a style of play. If you don't do that on a given night, you're likely to be blown out by 40.

To me, style of play is a comprehensive question that should be grounded in specifics. 1) What are the top 3 offensive plays you run or project to run with our current team? 2) Are you more comfortable either a) trapping the pick and roll, b) switching on the pick and roll or c) going under the pick and showing/recovering with a big man? 4) do you like to force dribble penetration to the middle or baseline? 5) Do you have the personnel to either crash the offensive boards or consistently get back in transition? 6) do you have the athletes, defensive rebounding and transition defense to gamble in an up tempo game or do you try to minimize possessions to negate transition?

In order to answer those questions, you need to start maintaining a stable roster where strengths and weaknesses are readily known. We, however, still don't know who our starting point guard, coach, 2 guard or small forward will be next year.

The other question Bippity posed was about leadership. I'll keep this short but I don't think you need an on court leader. The coach can be the leader as long as you don't have insubordinates on the floor. In fact, I think its sometimes better when you don't have a dominant personality on the floor that distracts from the coach's orders. Regardless, obtaining leadership is less important to me than quelling insubordination. Marbury and others have shown that they can be insubordinate and, if they stay, its should only be contingent on the understanding that they follow instructions blindly. The coach is paid to make the plan, the players to obey it strictly.
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