Posted by misterearl:

>>I'm sorry I thought we were talking about the draft process.


McK1 - a Frye in the hand is worth two unproven draft picks in the bushes

The draft is a crapshoot. Frye has PROVEN he can play at the NBA level and play WELL.

Workouts are just that... workouts. The next thing you'll be gushing over Summer League stats. Remember how Frye struggled last Summer?

Give me the player with PROVEN performance as a PROFESIONAL and (cough) upside



[Edited by - misterearl on 06-05-2006 9:58 PM]

by your logic Shavlik Randolph should go no. 1 as well.

Frye is a nice young player. he had a solid rookie season.

however

3 double-doubles from a 6' 11 250lb guy and 4 double-digit reounds total don't spell superstar for me. Matter fact I'll give you the Toronto game which raises it to 4 double-doubles and 5 double-digit rebound games out of 65.

you like math what is 4/65 & 5/65?

12 & 6 from a NY rookie hasn't been accomplished in forever. Light up Lady Liberty one time for Channing. beyond that what we have is a guy who definitely deserves further review.

Posted by McK1:

you guys are true blue idiots if you think Frye goes before

in no particular order
Bargnini
Gay
Marcus Williams
Foye
Aldrige
Morrison
O' Bryant
Tyrus Thomas
Roy
Sheldan Williams

based on workouts Carney and Reddick could push him to 13

and please save the nbadraft.net comparison for Aldrige, he goes before Frye on the upside argument.


[Edited by - McK1 on 06-05-2006 11:53 AM]

hahahahahahahahahahahahahaahaha. ha. sorry man, but I guess the grass is always greener. you can take those guys over Frye. I'd take Shelden, maybe Tyrus, maybe Roy, maybe Aldridge. they all bring different things to the table, none of those guys can score with Frye.

Posted by McK1:

Posted by crzymdups:

Posted by McK1:

you guys are true blue idiots if you think Frye goes before

in no particular order
Bargnini
Gay
Marcus Williams
Foye
Aldrige
Morrison
O' Bryant
Tyrus Thomas
Roy
Sheldan Williams

based on workouts Carney and Reddick could push him to 13

and please save the nbadraft.net comparison for Aldrige, he goes before Frye on the upside argument.


[Edited by - McK1 on 06-05-2006 11:53 AM]

hahahahahahahahahahahahahaahaha. ha. sorry man, but I guess the grass is always greener. you can take those guys over Frye. I'd take Shelden, maybe Tyrus, maybe Roy, maybe Aldridge. they all bring different things to the table, none of those guys can score with Frye.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahaha. you're telling me Morrison Foye and Rudy Gay can't score 12 points a game on the next level. you're better off arguing the 1-dimensional Mullin b/c you have no clue here

Gay is going to take a while. Frye scored 12.3ppg in 24mpg. Actually, I'd be surprised if any from this draft beat that pace over substantial minutes. Because no one from last year's draft scored at a better per minute pace. Maybe you should stick to defending Ridnour's intangibles.

Posted by bobs3304:[/b
Let's take a look at our options:


Jermaine O'Neal -- Long shot, but is a low post presence and a defensive force. Also has a relationship with Isiah, and we all know how Zeke can massage a situation in just the right way (Curry deal). In this scenario we'd be forced to be mostly a half-court team.

Shawn Marion -- Frye's from Arizona, plus Sarver's looking to cut cap to resign Diaw and Barbosa, so there's def. a chance there. Marion is another defensive presence, and would make us a formidable fast paced team. Probly our best option out there.

Tyson Chandler -- With T2's camp saying Chicago has guaranteed his spot at 2 in the draft, it's possible the Bulls shop Chandler around, to see what kind of value they can get in return. He'd be a nice compliment to Curry on the weakside, but of course if we traded for him, 3/5 of our starters would be from the Bulls, and that would be a little weird......

Ben Wallace -- Noticeably P'd at Detroit's supposed coaching blunder in the playoffs, Big Ben may not return to Motown. If so, and b/c he's a restricted FA (correct me if I'm wrong), then Dumars will most likely look for a S&T to get the most value in return.

[b]Kevin Garnett -- The reunion Steph's been waiting for. KG would easily make us a contender next year. He's still playing some serious ball, and the Wolves might very well consider dealing him if reports are true...

[Edited by - bobs3304 on 06-03-2006 4:08 PM]

first of all I would take exception to your "options"
Chandler is probably the only guy on that list you have a shot at. If your a Pacer/Sun/Wolves fan how would you feel about trading Marion, KG or Jo for cap fodder and Channing Frye?

Second this whole thing suggests we are one player away from <anything> and that Frye can get us that player. I reject both notions. What we really need is about 3 more Fryes, not one less.

Posted by McK1:

Gay is going to take a while. Frye scored 12.3ppg in 24mpg. Actually, I'd be surprised if any from this draft beat that pace over substantial minutes. Because no one from last year's draft scored at a better per minute pace. Maybe you should stick to defending Ridnour's intangibles.

first off what happened for the 05 rookies has no bearing on this years class. case in point: the 04 rookies had about 12-13 guys geting significant minutes on their respective teams. the 05 rookies had about 7.

and Frye wasn't some stand alone in the light scorer: Villa, 13 and 6 in 29 minutes, was right there with him in "pace."

and pleeeeeeaaaasssse explain why Rudy will need time?

Actually, Charlie was behind Frye's pace, as was every other rookie in the league. And what is your idea of "significant minutes"? Because when I go to espn.com and look up minutes per game for rookies in 04-05 I find 13 guys who played 20mpg or more. When I go to rookies from 05-06 I find 15 guys who played 20mpg or more. Sounds like just as many or more guys played from the 05 draft as the 04 draft.

And I said that Frye could score better than most of the rookies in this draft, particularly better than the 12 guys you had ahead of him. But you're right, most teams aren't interested in 6'11" guy who can fill it. I love how any time someone here tries to make someone on another team look good it's all like, "you're right, we suck, he's great." but when anyone tries to point out the players we have are good its, "no way, we suck, Larry Brown couldn't coach them and he's the best coach ever."

gimme a break. You know how many teams in the league would take Lee, Nate and Frye off of hands for us? You guys need to stop jocking these flavor of the week draft dandies and look at what we already have, because it's pretty damn good. I know the draft is a lot of fun and we're all mad we lost the second pick, but that has a lot more to do with Larry Brown v. Marbury v. Isiah than it does with the core group of kids on this roster.

And Rudy, as talented as he is, does not know enough to dominate right away. Look at Marvin Williams. He also is going to get eaten alive on defense at first, so I'm guessing it will take him awhile to earn minutes.

and I'm guessing alot of teams would want Frye Lee Nate. question is who would you get in return.

we know Portland countered with Lee and Penny's contract for Ratliff and Miles. Would you consider that a coup?