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holfresh
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6/2/2006  4:18 PM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by holfresh:

The guy was drafted as a Knick and show promise, probally will be the best power forward the Knicks will have in the last 20 years and all you do is moan

or he could be Charles Smith



But that's my point...As a Knick fan, we get in his corner and root for him to turn into Weed Wallace...Why on earth would we as Knick fans root for him to fail???
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6/2/2006  4:19 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by nyk4ever:

Holfresh please, don't ever speak for me again. There isn't one part of your post in which you described the "Larry-Lovers" that actually pertains to me and I do side with Larry, so please for all of our own benefit, don't speak for us again. I really don't mean this in an ******* type way

Hey lets have the SAME argument again for the 1000th time!


[Edited by - nyk4ever on 06-02-2006 3:48 PM]



EXHIBIT A...


Holfresh.. if you read CAREFULLY it says don't speak FOR me. NOT speak TO me....



My bad, I read it fast....my apologies...I still don't agree with you on most topics...
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6/2/2006  4:20 PM
Posted by holfresh:


My bad, I read it fast....my apologies...I still don't agree with you on most topics...


It's cool man, we're not all here to agree!



[Edited by - nyk4ever on 06-02-2006 4:20 PM]
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6/2/2006  4:21 PM
holfresh - i appreciate your enthusiasm and optimism. not all of us are as optimistic as you and that's fine, everbody's entitled to their opinion.

as a fanbase, we're beaten down and the team has really treated us like crap with their moves over the past 6-7 years. so it's tough for some to be excited about things working out for the best.

this is where we all vent.
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6/2/2006  4:22 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by holfresh:

The guy was drafted as a Knick and show promise, probally will be the best power forward the Knicks will have in the last 20 years and all you do is moan

or he could be Charles Smith



But that's my point...As a Knick fan, we get in his corner and root for him to turn into Weed Wallace...Why on earth would we as Knick fans root for him to fail???



who has ever rooted for him to fail?

observing he and Putty may not be US Steel on the frontline as a tandem is not rooting for him to fail
the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
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6/2/2006  4:23 PM
Kinda like how islesfan has the same bash IT arguement with every post ??
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6/2/2006  4:34 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

holfresh - i appreciate your enthusiasm and optimism. not all of us are as optimistic as you and that's fine, everbody's entitled to their opinion.

as a fanbase, we're beaten down and the team has really treated us like crap with their moves over the past 6-7 years. so it's tough for some to be excited about things working out for the best.

this is where we all vent.



I hear that, I'm here to vent as well...So at what point do we root for positives in this disfunctional organization...If there is anything positive about anything the Knicks has done in the last 7 years it might just be Frye and Curry...Everything else is shet....The coach, the GM, the owner...all shet....Curry, Frye,Lee and Q2 are our only hope in turning this around but you guys choose to bash them too...Everyone else in the league looks better to you guys...Even Ben Wallace who could hit the side of a barn if his life depended on it....Ben works well with what Detroit is doing...You put him on a team built around offense then he will look like what Detroit looks now..
Lost and confused...But thats just the tone here...everything is shet here and thats not entirely true..
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6/2/2006  4:44 PM
hey man, I'm rooting for the same things you are. I'm hoping Nate has a Gilbert Arenas type sophmore year. I hope Lee becomes a poor man's KMart, and that Frye is a Brad Doherty clone. Unfortunatly teams with management like ours can find way to screw up any good thing. If you think Isiah is good GM or capable of making good personel decisions you havent followed 5 minutes of his career.

Larry Brown is EXACTLY like all the other moves Isiah has made. He's a talented "piece" that Isiah brought in an had no idea what to do with. Kinda like every player on our roster. What you see is what you get man. Until something changes expect the same.
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6/2/2006  4:47 PM
I've been out of the loop lately...correct me if I'm wrong but holfresh, oohah and ongbok is the same person right?
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6/2/2006  5:00 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:

I've been out of the loop lately...correct me if I'm wrong but holfresh, oohah and ongbok is the same person right?


Yeah, might just well be or they are the guys with their own opinions and not running with the crowd...
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6/2/2006  5:01 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by gunsnewing:

I've been out of the loop lately...correct me if I'm wrong but holfresh, oohah and ongbok is the same person right?


Yeah, might just well be or they are the guys with their own opinions and not running with the crowd...


I don't understand how you can deem your opinion right and against the grain when the team has been horrible the last 7 years doing it your way.
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6/2/2006  5:11 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by TMS:

holfresh has a problem reading someone else's posts how they are written w/o coloring their comments w/his own preconcieved notions of their allegiance in the ol' LB vs. Marbury debates.

seriously holfresh, it gets tiring to have our words twisted time & time again into something completely different than the actual message we were trying to convey... give it a rest already.


Oh PLEASE...You guys moan about every damn thing...How could you guys not be excited about Frye...U are actually moaning about a fronline with FRYE in it...The guy was drafted as a Knick and show promise, probally will be the best power forward the Knicks will have in the last 20 years and all you do is moan...You don't want to hear it...I don't want to hear it....


show me exactly where i've been moaning except for the fact that we have a selfish moron as our "star PG"... Frye? exactly when did i ever moan about Channing Frye? i've pointed out his obvious weaknesses that he doesn't play good defense & he's not as physical a player down low as we might like... does that constitute moaning to you? i can count at least 20 times where i've praised Channing Frye's work ethic & that silky smooth shooting touch, but according to your logic unless we're sucking on these guys' units 24/7, we are to be labeled as "haters" or "moaners"... carrying on any debate with you is like trying to teach a 5 year old how to build a workstation computer... actually i take that back, i think i could probably get faster results w/the latter.
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6/2/2006  6:01 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by gunsnewing:

I've been out of the loop lately...correct me if I'm wrong but holfresh, oohah and ongbok is the same person right?


Yeah, might just well be or they are the guys with their own opinions and not running with the crowd...


I don't understand how you can deem your opinion right and against the grain when the team has been horrible the last 7 years doing it your way.



Do you really know what my way is?...I have been an advocate of breaking it down and building thru the draft and aquiring young players....If you notice, I'm the guy preaching play the youngsters and let them develop....I am against Larry Brown's way of bringing vets to win now and leave us in a deeper hole that we are already in...My opinion is not right, it just that, an opinion...You guys think the team should be built around the coach, I don't...Doesn't mean winner can't be built another way...
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6/2/2006  6:23 PM
holfresh... why dont you take this opportunity to show everyone that your not totally full of poop and find one quote from ANY poster on this board that reflects what you just said.
You guys think the team should be built around the coach
take your time... your gonna need it
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6/2/2006  6:30 PM
Posted by fishmike:

holfresh... why dont you take this opportunity to show everyone that your not totally full of poop and find one quote from ANY poster on this board that reflects what you just said.
You guys think the team should be built around the coach
take your time... your gonna need it


So tell me what getting guys that have bad contracts that Larry wants here mean...What does trying to get KMart,Ratliff and all the other "Larry Brown" type players mean fish?..You think I really need to look far to find guys who are advocate for this movement???


More importantly, what happens when Larry decides that Golden State is where he would rather be and we are saddled with the Ratliff and KMarts of the world, what then?



[Edited by - holfresh on 06-02-2006 6:40 PM]
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6/2/2006  6:47 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by fishmike:

holfresh... why dont you take this opportunity to show everyone that your not totally full of poop and find one quote from ANY poster on this board that reflects what you just said.
You guys think the team should be built around the coach
take your time... your gonna need it


So tell me what getting guys that have bad contracts that Larry wants here mean...What does trying to get KMart,Ratliff and all the other "Larry Brown" type players mean fish?..You think I really need to look far to find guys who are advocate for this movement???


More importantly, what happens when Larry decides that Golden State is where he would rather be and we are saddled with the Ratliff and KMarts of the world, what then?



[Edited by - holfresh on 06-02-2006 6:40 PM]

Holfresh what I don't get with you is this, maybe you can clear it up for me.

I'm not advocating we build the team around Larry, never have been BUT, I don't mind bringing in some players that know how to play his way becuase it WILL rub off on other players. Why does it matter who Larry wants to play for him as long as the team wins games? If Larry wants a certain type of player here and he's had success that way - and indeed has won that way by coaching a certain way and a certain type of player that play well in the playoffs - why would you care what players are brought in as long as the team wins.

I don't think one person on this board wants to see all kinds of older players brought into this team but they want to see a mixture of older and younger players who both are defensive and team minded. Why is that so bad?
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6/2/2006  7:33 PM
Larry Brown is EXACTLY like all the other moves Isiah has made. He's a talented "piece" that Isiah brought in an had no idea what to do with.

fish.mike - other than roll out the ball racks and listen to his ideas on roster improvements - what was Isiah supposed to DO with Larry Brown?

No idea on what to DO with him?

Oh, you mean like tell him who to play?

>>I don't think one person on this board wants to see all kinds of older players brought into this team but they want to see a mixture of older and younger players who both are defensive and team minded. Why is that so bad?

nyk4eva - that concept is not so bad.

is Malik Rose an older defensive-minded player?

Before Kendra got caught up in the stands, was Antonio Davis?

Before he lost his motivation, was Jerone James?

David Lee works hard on defense. So does Jackie Butler. They were rookies. Do they deserve an incomplete grade?

Is "defense" a coordinated effort that depends on trusting where all your teammates are on the floor?

Or is it any one individual asserting himself?

Then again, what do I know about basketball?





[Edited by - misterearl on 06-02-2006 7:51 PM]
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6/2/2006  8:30 PM
Jerome James lost his motivation the second he signed a guaranteed deal worth millions of dollars, thanks to IT.

A glimmer of hope maybe?!?
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6/2/2006  9:13 PM
Posted by holfresh:
So tell me what getting guys that have bad contracts that Larry wants here mean...What does trying to get KMart,Ratliff and all the other "Larry Brown" type players mean fish?..You think I really need to look far to find guys who are advocate for this movement???


More importantly, what happens when Larry decides that Golden State is where he would rather be and we are saddled with the Ratliff and KMarts of the world, what then?

K-mart is actually younger than Marbury and I don't hear you demanding we dump steph. When you speak about the rookies do you support Nate or Jamal starting over Marbury? (I do)

All year long we hear about Kmart, Ratliff, Lynch, Snow, etc, but who did we end up with? Woods, Jalen and Francis.

Across his career brown has been known as a master motivator, his teams are considered to overachieve, just not here. it's not about bringing in Brown-type players, it's about bringing in players who'll play hard for him, or whoever the coach is, without conditions.
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6/2/2006  9:16 PM
simrud - that certainly a simplistic way to look at things, but things generally happen for more than one reason

This does not excuse his performance OR lack of conditioning but, you ever consider James signed with an expectation to start. Then Eddy Curry is signed and the position, and the expectations, change dramatically?

We shall see if Jeromes promise to "make good" on last season failure is demonstrated with new fire in training camp.

That ol' debil Isiah certainly could have pulled James aside in practice, but some might submit that motivation and inspiration is partially the coaches responsibility.

yes?

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