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Larry Brown -- Dead Man Walking
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fishmike
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5/31/2006  2:32 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Yeah I did see that, It was done un der the guise of constructive criticism...When Larry lays into you in the press, it's done in a derogatory manner....There is a difference...I can't believe you guys are even attempting to compare the two...
please tell me whats constructive about "your the worst defensive guard in the league"

What did Larry ever say? Its pathetic the excuses you make for these players. Maybe its because Larry doesnt have Isiah's wink and smile.

Pathetic

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5/31/2006  2:52 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by holfresh:
Yeah I did see that, It was done un der the guise of constructive criticism...When Larry lays into you in the press, it's done in a derogatory manner....There is a difference...I can't believe you guys are even attempting to compare the two...
please tell me whats constructive about "your the worst defensive guard in the league"

What did Larry ever say? Its pathetic the excuses you make for these players. Maybe its because Larry doesnt have Isiah's wink and smile.

Pathetic



Come on guys, unbelievable...How about the reference to Marbs not being so smart because he spent one year at GTech, then went on further to diss the school as well...can we really compare?

Do you really need me to get quotes?





[Edited by - holfresh on 05-31-2006 2:52 PM]
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5/31/2006  2:55 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by holfresh:
Yeah I did see that, It was done un der the guise of constructive criticism...When Larry lays into you in the press, it's done in a derogatory manner....There is a difference...I can't believe you guys are even attempting to compare the two...
please tell me whats constructive about "your the worst defensive guard in the league"

What did Larry ever say? Its pathetic the excuses you make for these players. Maybe its because Larry doesnt have Isiah's wink and smile.

Pathetic



Come on guys, unbelievable...How about the reference to Marbs not being so smart because he spent one year at GTech, then went on further to diss the school as well...can we really compare?

Do you really need me to get quotes?

in many interviews after the gtech and ucla comments, he said he was joking and both steph and ariza knew that.
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5/31/2006  3:01 PM
Again none of this matters to me. LB keep your mouth shut and stop upsetting the players. We have all agreed over and over that this should not have been done. But.............Players regardless of whether your coach is nice or mean, stop making excuses and play. I've been hearing excuses for 6 years now. I'm sick of it. I'm just curious when some of the rest of you guys get sick of it. There's always a problem with injuries and systems and roles and "mean things being said". Okay fine. If that hurts the record I can get on board with that. But I can't get on board with systems and injuries and roles affecting how hard players play. Some of you guys seem to be okay with it.

If Marbs plays his arse off every night I would have his back. But when he breaks plays, refuses to shoot and other players on teh team come to camp out of shape or unconcerned with the task at hand they lose all credibility. HATING YOUR COACH IS NOT AN EXCUSE TO NOT PLAY HARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!This has nothing to do with LB. So whether you hate LB or not should be independent of the standard you set for the players. Some are so into the savior principal that they can't seem to figure this out.
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5/31/2006  3:02 PM
I could not imagine if these guys played football. Do any of you guys have any idea what these coach's say? Marbs and the crew would have quit after day one and been run out of town. But in NY bball it's okay to quit, we fire the coach.
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5/31/2006  3:12 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by Nalod:

Cat fight!

This whole popularity contest has been fabricated by MSG and is very upprofessional.

Leaking the buy out while Larry is in surgury? Then testing him to Silence? Very unprofessional!

Isiah not saying a word about who is coaching? very unprofessional!

We have Cops running off the media? Larry with a gag order? The team is a joke!

And then Marbury pleadging his desire to "die a knick" makes for greater drama!

This is all so very uncool it reeks.



True to all the above....Can I inject lame into the equation as well...Is there anything more lame than Brown pulling the Patrick Ewing juice card??


I don't think anybody took that serious. Just more of Brown grandstanding. The guy needs personal assurances everytime there is a report out there. When Marbury called Brown insecure, everyone was shocked. Not that it wasn't true but that he said it. That's sad. He said he is doing his job not knowing his fate. Hey Larry welcome to the real world. It would be nice to get reassurance after every rumor or bad feeling you get from your bosses but it just doesn't happen. Hey do what I do, just tell them "I see you tomorrow" or if you are fishing make it sound like a question. "See you tomorrow?" Who knows, maybe they will slip up and spill the beans.

if you were in the office and a piece of news came back to you that you may get fired, what's the first thing you do? you go to your boss and ask him if that's true. he'll tell you yes or no or lie to your face but you can get a response. now suppose you kept trying to contact your boss but he/she wouldn't return your calls. then how would you react? would you need reassurance? or are you ok not hearing from anybody and going about your business?

lb has NOTHING to lose. he gets his money regardless. just like players that show up fat or guys that quit on the court. they get paid regardless. so he says whatever he wants. and he's somewhat forcing the team to either say he's the coach or he's fired. it doesn't matter to him b/c he gets his paycheck regardless.

I am not a pyschologist but I post on a forum with one. Maybe he can be of some help but I took this off a site that is recommended by occupational therapist at my firm. I let you be the judge if you think Larry meets any of these criterias.

http://www.coping.org/growth/security.htm#believe
What do chronically insecure people believe?
I can never accomplish the task facing me!

Everybody is looking at me, just waiting for me to make a fool of myself!

I am a failure!

I am ugly and awful to look at!

I can never win. I am a loser.

What is the sense of trying, I'll never get it right!

No matter how hard I work to achieve, I never get any recognition!

I am incompetent in everything.

How could anybody ever say anything good about me?

I failed them in the past; therefore, I am a failure today!

Once a failure, always a failure!

There is only one direction for me to go in this organization and that is down and out!

No one could ever like, respect, or accept me!

I don't deserve to be treated nicely!

I don't fit in here or anywhere else for that matter!

Everyone else looks so good, so together; I feel so out of it compared to them!

I am an incomplete person and will always be that way!

I am so afraid that no one will like me!

Why would anyone care to hear what I say, how I feel, or what I think?

People are just nice to you in order to use you and get something they want from you!


People who are insecure can:

Have difficulties in establishing healthy, long-lasting relationships.

Be perceived incorrectly by others as being snobbish or uppity; therefore, they are avoided due to the others' misperceptions.

Become victims of fears that impair their freedom of action or choice.

Be candidates for paranoia feeling "others'' are out to get them.

Scare others away from them by their defensive attitude.

Be over-controlled emotionally, having problems letting others in on their emotions. This can lead others to guess what is going on until the passivity of the insecure person leads to an over-reaction by the others, resulting in conflict or rejection.

Have problems on the job or in school when they have the knowledge, skills and abilities to do a task efficiently but are told to do it in a different, less effective manner. They get so uptight about the job and are fearful of standing up for what they believe that they get angry, hostile, and resentful until they either quit or succeed in submerging their emotions.

Get passed over for promotions, advances, or honors because they are so quiet about what it is they do. This leads the insecure persons to feel more unaccepted, unappreciated, and under-valued.

Have problems meeting people and often can become debilitated socially by chronic shyness.

Become so inward that they seek to escape into their fantasy life rather than deal with the reality of their lives
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5/31/2006  3:20 PM
so our coach is insecure and our players are chronically insecure?
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5/31/2006  3:24 PM
It's absolutely amazing how the media and management have once again duped us all into taking our eyes off the real problem and focusing all our attention on ONE MAN.
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5/31/2006  3:26 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by holfresh:
Yeah I did see that, It was done un der the guise of constructive criticism...When Larry lays into you in the press, it's done in a derogatory manner....There is a difference...I can't believe you guys are even attempting to compare the two...
please tell me whats constructive about "your the worst defensive guard in the league"

What did Larry ever say? Its pathetic the excuses you make for these players. Maybe its because Larry doesnt have Isiah's wink and smile.

Pathetic


or maybe it's becuz LB doesn't have his own popcorn?

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5/31/2006  3:28 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

I could not imagine if these guys played football. Do any of you guys have any idea what these coach's say? Marbs and the crew would have quit after day one and been run out of town. But in NY bball it's okay to quit, we fire the coach.


we have a team full of T.O.'s w/o any of his talent.
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5/31/2006  3:29 PM
Maaaaaan, chronically insecure is something that just a small percentage of the population face. It's just an excuse. I bet none of these guys on the team have any disease, mental or emotional or physical (And this includes Nate and the ADD rumor.) If anyone in the league is like this, it's Keith Van Horn, and he's just a pansy. It doesn't give them the excuse to not play hard or not learn to play.
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5/31/2006  3:41 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

It's absolutely amazing how the media and management have once again duped us all into taking our eyes off the real problem and focusing all our attention on ONE MAN.

It's true Bip. Being a Knick fan is alot like the movie Groundhog Day. Season starts, team sucks, management doesn't do anything, season ends terribly, offseason starts, management and media focus on one individual for the teams problems INSTEAD of the organization as a whole. Sad part is, Bill Murray made Groundhog Day funny, I'm not laughing at this rendition of the movie.
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5/31/2006  3:43 PM
I agree. I don't remember crying uncontrollably everytime Bill Murray's alarm clock went off.
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5/31/2006  3:45 PM
I also don't remember being made fun of by friends everytime I said I liked the movie
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Bippity10
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5/31/2006  3:45 PM
I also don't remember little old ladies who've never seen the movie in their lives saying "oh isn't that the movie that sucks really bad?"
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5/31/2006  3:49 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

I also don't remember little old ladies who've never seen the movie in their lives saying "oh isn't that the movie that sucks really bad?"

i wasn't called an "***hole" when i told someone i bought season tickets to the movie.
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5/31/2006  3:50 PM
LOL, you guys are hilarious
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5/31/2006  3:51 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Bippity10:

I could not imagine if these guys played football. Do any of you guys have any idea what these coach's say? Marbs and the crew would have quit after day one and been run out of town. But in NY bball it's okay to quit, we fire the coach.


we have a team full of T.O.'s w/o any of his talent.

The first thing Bill Parcell's said in his press conference is that he doesn't want to hear TO complain about numbers because he would not get big numbers in HIS OFFENSE. He said TO would have to adjust to the offense not the other way around. Now of course Parcells will change some of his plays but his offensive philosophy will stay the same way it has for decades. If TO wants to win a superbowl he will not cause problems. If he does cause problems and destroys the team, Dallas will cut him and not the coach.

We do things differently here in NY. But I do beleive that Dallas has a few more titles than we do. That's why when they had a down period the first thing they did was hire a proven winner and do everything he says, even if he calls his players girls and cuts anyone that doesn't play his way. In New York proven winners are not important. Hire GM's that have done nothing but add salary and hire yes men coach's who give in to the TO's of the world and give them whatever they want so they can put up numbers.

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5/31/2006  3:55 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

I also don't remember little old ladies who've never seen the movie in their lives saying "oh isn't that the movie that sucks really bad?"

Bip you need to stop talking to those old ladies.

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5/31/2006  3:55 PM
Posted by EnySpree:
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He just couldn't resist could he? LB is such a freakin drama queen. Yeah we know its a tough situation, but really he's gonna be MORE THAN OK, when he leaves. He just wants people to feel sympathy for him as this mistreated and tortured soul. I'm sure when he gets back to his million dollars spread and jumps in his boat, he's not thinking about the bad treatment the Knicks are giving him.

Nuff said.

Never seen an old man from his generation carry on the way he does. He acts like a 5 year old.

Exactly. People are willing to write off the derogatory comments to Marbury and Georgia Tech University, fine. What about calling a 20 year old kid Delusional? What about pulling drama queen acts on two different ball clubs in an 11 month period? Like everyone else in the organization, Brown has serious character problems. Maybe he didn't have them as severely when he was younger, but he's part of a terrible atmoshpere now.
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