[ IMAGES: Images ON turn off | ACCOUNT: User Status is LOCKED why? ]

Which coach is right for the Knicks
Author Thread
Bippity10
Posts: 13999
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 1/26/2004
Member: #574
5/18/2006  1:29 PM
RV: I'm okay with that, if at the same time our GM is all over the players in support of the coach. If he's not going to do that it's a waste of time. Whether LB is in charge or not, it must be communicated to teh players that he is, or else he cannot coach. This is something we have not done since Zeke got here. When you fire a coach's assistants he has no chance to coach the players. So you should get rid of him as well. If you can't back your coach, then you need to get another one. Undermining to save your job, saves your job but kills the team.
I just hope that people will like me
AUTOADVERT
VDesai
Posts: 43299
Alba Posts: 44
Joined: 10/28/2003
Member: #477
USA
5/18/2006  1:29 PM
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by VDesai:

Adelman made 2 NBA finals (1990 and 1992) with Portland and 2 other Western Conference Semis 1 with POR and 1 with SAC. The only time he's missed the playoffs were his 2 years with GS, where they had Latrell Sprewell and not much else.

[Edited by - Vdesai on 05-18-2006 08:48 AM]


Right. I posted his stats in my post. Portland was a great team at that time. You have to remember the quality of team that these coaches had. Larry took over disasters. Adelman's Sac team was always pretty good but never good enough, while his Portland teams were great.



I only posted that because I thought you shortchanged him on a final and western conf. final, but I think you've since corrected that.

BasketballJones
Posts: 31973
Alba Posts: 19
Joined: 7/16/2002
Member: #290
USA
5/18/2006  1:32 PM
Maybe Jim Calhoun would be the best coach for the Knicks.
https:// It's not so hard.
holfresh
Posts: 38679
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 1/14/2006
Member: #1081

5/18/2006  1:39 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

RV: I'm okay with that, if at the same time our GM is all over the players in support of the coach. If he's not going to do that it's a waste of time. Whether LB is in charge or not, it must be communicated to teh players that he is, or else he cannot coach. This is something we have not done since Zeke got here. When you fire a coach's assistants he has no chance to coach the players. So you should get rid of him as well. If you can't back your coach, then you need to get another one. Undermining to save your job, saves your job but kills the team.



As a coach, Larry Brown has unreal expectations...He wants the players to feel he is in charge of personnel matters...He wants the team to feel he is more in control of the organization the Isiah is...He actally ask Isiah not to participate in the exit interviews...Isiah gave Larry the support he needed when he said that players won't be here if they don't buy into what Larry wants...That wasnt enough for Larry, he wanted more power....

Bippity10
Posts: 13999
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 1/26/2004
Member: #574
5/18/2006  1:57 PM
Holfresh: Wake up. Isiah has undermined Don, Herb, Lenny and now LB. The coach hired under him if he is worth his salt is not going to cowtow to a guy that just undermined the 3 or 4 coach's previous to them. We don't want a yes man here we want a winner. If Isiah hadn't undermined every coach in site I would agree with you, but this situation is different and now it is getting worse. Now, you won't even be ablet to hire a coach to work under Isiah.

The players are running the show here. In order to win a title you need a captain to run the ship. Until our front office decides that is important and gives that power to the coach you will see coach's fight for it. Lenny and Don did not because they were yes men. In the end they got scr-ewed. NOw you have a guy that likes to do things his way and now he is being undermined as well. Until we change the fans will be screwed as well.

Bottom line: If Zeke did not want LB to come in here and make changes in his vision than he should not have hired him. He hired him to create a buzz, not to create a winner. He wanted you and me to be blinded by the LB light, be ecstatic for a few months so that he could preserve his job. That's the way we do things here. It's not about winning, it's about money and job preservation
I just hope that people will like me
Pharzeone
Posts: 32183
Alba Posts: 14
Joined: 2/11/2005
Member: #871
5/18/2006  3:16 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

Holfresh: Wake up. Isiah has undermined Don, Herb, Lenny and now LB. The coach hired under him if he is worth his salt is not going to cowtow to a guy that just undermined the 3 or 4 coach's previous to them. We don't want a yes man here we want a winner. If Isiah hadn't undermined every coach in site I would agree with you, but this situation is different and now it is getting worse. Now, you won't even be ablet to hire a coach to work under Isiah.

The players are running the show here. In order to win a title you need a captain to run the ship. Until our front office decides that is important and gives that power to the coach you will see coach's fight for it. Lenny and Don did not because they were yes men. In the end they got scr-ewed. NOw you have a guy that likes to do things his way and now he is being undermined as well. Until we change the fans will be screwed as well.

Bottom line: If Zeke did not want LB to come in here and make changes in his vision than he should not have hired him. He hired him to create a buzz, not to create a winner. He wanted you and me to be blinded by the LB light, be ecstatic for a few months so that he could preserve his job. That's the way we do things here. It's not about winning, it's about money and job preservation

If you call making Chaney active both Sweetney and Lampe for Weatherspoon and Harrington. Then applaud his efforts to undermine Chaney. The man was playing players like they just finished playing in the 2nd round of the playoffs. You had to be over 30 for Don Chaney to give you some running time. Just ask Houston about his days in Detroit with Chaney.
I don't like to play bad rookies , I like to play good rookies - Mike D'Antoni
djsunyc
Posts: 44929
Alba Posts: 42
Joined: 1/16/2004
Member: #536
5/18/2006  3:18 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by Bippity10:

Holfresh: Wake up. Isiah has undermined Don, Herb, Lenny and now LB. The coach hired under him if he is worth his salt is not going to cowtow to a guy that just undermined the 3 or 4 coach's previous to them. We don't want a yes man here we want a winner. If Isiah hadn't undermined every coach in site I would agree with you, but this situation is different and now it is getting worse. Now, you won't even be ablet to hire a coach to work under Isiah.

The players are running the show here. In order to win a title you need a captain to run the ship. Until our front office decides that is important and gives that power to the coach you will see coach's fight for it. Lenny and Don did not because they were yes men. In the end they got scr-ewed. NOw you have a guy that likes to do things his way and now he is being undermined as well. Until we change the fans will be screwed as well.

Bottom line: If Zeke did not want LB to come in here and make changes in his vision than he should not have hired him. He hired him to create a buzz, not to create a winner. He wanted you and me to be blinded by the LB light, be ecstatic for a few months so that he could preserve his job. That's the way we do things here. It's not about winning, it's about money and job preservation

If you call making Chaney active both Sweetney and Lampe for Weatherspoon and Harrington. Then applaud his efforts to undermine Chaney. The man was playing players like they just finished playing in the 2nd round of the playoffs. You had to be over 30 for Don Chaney to give you some running time. Just ask Houston about his days in Detroit with Chaney.

dude, who do you think put sweetney on IR? that's a GM decision, not a coach's decision. that was layden, not chaney. chaney did what layden told him - he's a yes man. he's going to play his best players to save his job. layden had him play all the big money guys.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 05-18-2006 3:19 PM]
Bippity10
Posts: 13999
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 1/26/2004
Member: #574
5/18/2006  3:54 PM
Chaney was an awful coach. But he is the perfect example of the situation we put our coach's in. I hated his coaching but he was a permanent interim coach who was coaching to save his job not build a future. DJ is 100% right. When a coach is in that position they are not going to make logical decisions. That's why it's been 7 years since we've seen a coach make logical decisions. Wake up, it's more than us just hiring bad coach's. It's a cultural habit of undermining every coach that comes here in order to make money or scapegoat him.
I just hope that people will like me
Bippity10
Posts: 13999
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 1/26/2004
Member: #574
5/18/2006  3:56 PM
While people keep blaming individuals like the coach's and Marbs and Allan etc. We keep getting rid of these individuals and still nothing changes. This did not start when LB got here. It's the same crap every year. When do you figure out that it goes deeper than the coach? Or Marbs? Open your eyes.
I just hope that people will like me
Which coach is right for the Knicks

©2001-2025 ultimateknicks.comm All rights reserved. About Us.
This site is not affiliated with the NY Knicks or the National Basketball Association in any way.
You may visit the official NY Knicks web site by clicking here.

All times (GMT-05:00) Eastern Time.

Terms of Use and Privacy Policy