Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by joec32033:

With all the coaching changes Zeke is pulling his year 3 as GM is year one when it comes to judging the players he brought in.

It is impossible to get a grasp on these players because there is no consistency on what is wanted/expected from them becase that is changing as the coach changes.

the one thing we do know is that many of the players brought in here are not worth keeping long term b/c they've quit on coaches, don't play hard all the time, or have conditioning problems. those guys need to go b/c they probably won't help us achieve anything of value anyway.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 05-18-2006 12:21 AM]

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by joec32033:

With all the coaching changes Zeke is pulling his year 3 as GM is year one when it comes to judging the players he brought in.

It is impossible to get a grasp on these players because there is no consistency on what is wanted/expected from them becase that is changing as the coach changes.

the one thing we do know is that many of the players brought in here are not worth keeping long term b/c they've quit on coaches, don't play hard all the time, or have conditioning problems. those guys need to go b/c they probably won't help us achieve anything of value anyway.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 05-18-2006 12:21 AM]

Posted by holfresh:

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by joec32033:

With all the coaching changes Zeke is pulling his year 3 as GM is year one when it comes to judging the players he brought in.

It is impossible to get a grasp on these players because there is no consistency on what is wanted/expected from them becase that is changing as the coach changes.

the one thing we do know is that many of the players brought in here are not worth keeping long term b/c they've quit on coaches, don't play hard all the time, or have conditioning problems. those guys need to go b/c they probably won't help us achieve anything of value anyway.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 05-18-2006 12:21 AM]

You really have to stop preaching that stuff...Larry was a special case...He dragged these guys through the mud, demoralized the team, called them stupid, delusional, etc...No one will play hard for you under those circumstances...i don't ever recall larry calling any player stupid in his career...he did this year...But you still think these guys should run through walls for him anyway...OK...

Posted by misterearl:

Basketball Defense is about cohesion and trust.

Have you ever played the game?

Wrong, its about effort and desire. You have to want to stop your opponent and you have to work hard, even if your guy doesnt have the ball. Allan Houston was never a good defender, but he worked 3 times harder on defense than any guard on this current team.

You have to be willing to chase your guy around. You have to be willing to close gaps, to run in passing lanes, to fight over screens. If you think our guards do that on a nightly basis your lost. Kind of ironic how the one time Marbury actually fights over a screen he gets hurt huh?

Trust is an excuse for not giving 100%. Thats just more of our loser culture around here. "He doesnt do it, so why should I??"

Posted by fishmike:

Posted by misterearl:

Basketball Defense is about cohesion and trust.

Have you ever played the game?

Wrong, its about effort and desire. You have to want to stop your opponent and you have to work hard, even if your guy doesnt have the ball. Allan Houston was never a good defender, but he worked 3 times harder on defense than any guard on this current team.

You have to be willing to chase your guy around. You have to be willing to close gaps, to run in passing lanes, to fight over screens. If you think our guards do that on a nightly basis your lost. Kind of ironic how the one time Marbury actually fights over a screen he gets hurt huh?

Trust is an excuse for not giving 100%. Thats just more of our loser culture around here. "He doesnt do it, so why should I??"

When did Marbury quit this season??? His season was over when he got hurt fighting through a pick, Francis was barely here for a cup of tea, so was Jalen, the fate of our season was sealed by the time those two got here...If you are looking at deeds during the season, you can say that Steph quit in the Orlando game...And if you are going to use those standards, then Larry quit on this team long before anyone did...When he started players in their home towns, he quit on this team...When he wasn't trying to win games, he quit on this team....When he inexplicably buried guys on the bench like Craw, Frye, and Lee for a good portion of the season, he quit on this team...When he undermined the moral of the team by ragging them in the press, he quit on this team....When he took extented time off after he got ill and was taken to the hospital, later he said he had another ailment, he quit on this team...

So you can now expalin to me how you change the culture by tanking the season and losing games..How you change the culture by undermining the confidence of your players in the press...



[Edited by - holfresh on 05-18-2006 1:26 PM]

Posted by holfresh:

Posted by fishmike:

Posted by misterearl:

Basketball Defense is about cohesion and trust.

Have you ever played the game?

Wrong, its about effort and desire. You have to want to stop your opponent and you have to work hard, even if your guy doesnt have the ball. Allan Houston was never a good defender, but he worked 3 times harder on defense than any guard on this current team.

You have to be willing to chase your guy around. You have to be willing to close gaps, to run in passing lanes, to fight over screens. If you think our guards do that on a nightly basis your lost. Kind of ironic how the one time Marbury actually fights over a screen he gets hurt huh?

Trust is an excuse for not giving 100%. Thats just more of our loser culture around here. "He doesnt do it, so why should I??"

When did Marbury quit this season???



[Edited by - holfresh on 05-18-2006 1:26 PM]

Two words: Or Lando