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5/16/2006  1:41 PM
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5/16/2006  1:47 PM
Posted by NYKBocker:

Yoot

What is a "yoot"?

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5/16/2006  2:03 PM
TMS - well done
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5/16/2006  2:14 PM
thank you miss vito.

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5/16/2006  2:24 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

i think it's b/c he realized this roster is sh t. i think it's b/c he saw what was up from day one. where they weren't going to accomplish anything this season so he gave up on coaching wins and decided to use this season as his way to find out who will be with him and who are mentally tough to take his bullsh t.
Do you really believe this? He signed on to take a job where he hated the roster and then decided to play mind games and do all kinds of crazy **** to see who was with him? Are you listening to yourself? And if he did do this doesn't this mean he was putting himself ahead of and above the team? Who is he Jesus? Guys should just do stupid things and follow him blindly even when they can see that the plan is to not win, but just to follow LB's madness?
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5/16/2006  2:33 PM
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by djsunyc:

i think it's b/c he realized this roster is sh t. i think it's b/c he saw what was up from day one. where they weren't going to accomplish anything this season so he gave up on coaching wins and decided to use this season as his way to find out who will be with him and who are mentally tough to take his bullsh t.
Do you really believe this? He signed on to take a job where he hated the roster and then decided to play mind games and do all kinds of crazy **** to see who was with him? Are you listening to yourself? And if he did do this doesn't this mean he was putting himself ahead of and above the team? Who is he Jesus? Guys should just do stupid things and follow him blindly even when they can see that the plan is to not win, but just to follow LB's madness?

i think he took the job b/c of $50 mil and it was ny. i don't think he liked the roster and i think he got assurances from isiah that they would make changes. and we heard isiah say this. and i think early on, he decided not to coach for wins. you can see it as putting himself over the team. but you can also see it as changing the team to fit "HIS" vision so he can move forward. somebody point this out - i think it comes back to the draft pick. if we had our pick, it would've never turned out this way. i think b/c that pick was gone, isiah couldn't look like a fool giving the #1 to chicago so there was craziness from up above when the wins were few and far between. lb, on the other hand, didn't give two sh ts about the pick.

killa, this is lb. wasn't his reputation breaking people down to build them back up? wasn't his reputation to find out who his guys were? that was his rep before he got here. so OPEN YOUR FCUKING EYES and realize that lb plays mind games. how can you be surprised about that?

what's stupid and blind is thinking steph is part of the solution...and he's not the problem.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 05-16-2006 2:33 PM]
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5/16/2006  3:19 PM
Teams that are winning go out and get coach's that fit the roster and can take them over the hump. Teams that are mired in mediocrity for years to come go out and get a winner and allow them to make changes. We are such a bad organization that we did neither of these and then want to jettison the coach that WE HIRED. We knew what we were getting. WE knew he was going to want changes. Bippity preached and preached for months on end that LB was not going to change us into Phoenix West. He preached that good coach's come in and demand changes. THAT WAS HIS JOB, NOT WINNING 40 GAMES. And for some reason when it happened we are upset.

Making the playoffs as an 8th seed will not turn us around. Changing the culture will. LB was hired to do that and after one year when we didn't like the way he did things we are going to go right back to what made us comfortable(mediocrity)

Let's stop taking it year by year, game by game, worrying about rotations, and start worrying about developing a long-term plan.
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5/16/2006  3:27 PM
Bip, most people are with you, but the others wont change their minds. I am praying to dear God this is just a rumor though.
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5/16/2006  3:35 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by djsunyc:

i think it's b/c he realized this roster is sh t. i think it's b/c he saw what was up from day one. where they weren't going to accomplish anything this season so he gave up on coaching wins and decided to use this season as his way to find out who will be with him and who are mentally tough to take his bullsh t.
Do you really believe this? He signed on to take a job where he hated the roster and then decided to play mind games and do all kinds of crazy **** to see who was with him? Are you listening to yourself? And if he did do this doesn't this mean he was putting himself ahead of and above the team? Who is he Jesus? Guys should just do stupid things and follow him blindly even when they can see that the plan is to not win, but just to follow LB's madness?

i think he took the job b/c of $50 mil and it was ny. i don't think he liked the roster and i think he got assurances from isiah that they would make changes. and we heard isiah say this. and i think early on, he decided not to coach for wins. you can see it as putting himself over the team. but you can also see it as changing the team to fit "HIS" vision so he can move forward. somebody point this out - i think it comes back to the draft pick. if we had our pick, it would've never turned out this way. i think b/c that pick was gone, isiah couldn't look like a fool giving the #1 to chicago so there was craziness from up above when the wins were few and far between. lb, on the other hand, didn't give two sh ts about the pick.

killa, this is lb. wasn't his reputation breaking people down to build them back up? wasn't his reputation to find out who his guys were? that was his rep before he got here. so OPEN YOUR FCUKING EYES and realize that lb plays mind games. how can you be surprised about that?

what's stupid and blind is thinking steph is part of the solution...and he's not the problem.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 05-16-2006 2:33 PM]

Way to make this about Steph. By the way, you know he sold those wmd's to Sadaam right? And did you just call me stupid AND blind? Look man, lets get one thing straight......I am definitely not blind.

He didn't only get assurances about changes, but he got 2 guys he requested (Jalen and Francis), and then acted like he didn't want the guys.

But yeah, Steph made him do that.
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5/16/2006  3:40 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

Teams that are winning go out and get coach's that fit the roster and can take them over the hump. Teams that are mired in mediocrity for years to come go out and get a winner and allow them to make changes. We are such a bad organization that we did neither of these and then want to jettison the coach that WE HIRED. We knew what we were getting. WE knew he was going to want changes. Bippity preached and preached for months on end that LB was not going to change us into Phoenix West. He preached that good coach's come in and demand changes. THAT WAS HIS JOB, NOT WINNING 40 GAMES. And for some reason when it happened we are upset.

Making the playoffs as an 8th seed will not turn us around. Changing the culture will. LB was hired to do that and after one year when we didn't like the way he did things we are going to go right back to what made us comfortable(mediocrity)

Let's stop taking it year by year, game by game, worrying about rotations, and start worrying about developing a long-term plan.

Its not as simple as that Bip.
but how about you tell me one thing.
If he lowered every players value, lowered the franchises value, complained about the roster, complained some more, got some players he wanted, and then complained about them, where is HIS plan?

What did LB accomplish this past season? What articulable goal or objective was accomplished toward a long term plan? Did you thik LB was gonna coach here for 5 years anyway?
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5/16/2006  3:48 PM
Posted by Killa4luv:


Its not as simple as that Bip.
but how about you tell me one thing.
If he lowered every players value, lowered the franchises value, complained about the roster, complained some more, got some players he wanted, and then complained about them, where is HIS plan?

What did LB accomplish this past season? What articulable goal or objective was accomplished toward a long term plan? Did you thik LB was gonna coach here for 5 years anyway?

How did he lower every players value? If you think that the GM's around the league don't know how hard it is to play for Larry Brown then your lost. How did he lower the franchises value? The Knicks were and are rated by Forbes as the #1 franchise in the NBA.

Your being extremely short-sighted Killa. This whole entire roster and organization needs an overhaul and until that happens, enjoy your first round exits.
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5/16/2006  3:51 PM
Bippity10 - veterans or yoots?

you make the call
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5/16/2006  3:59 PM

nyk4ever - what first round exit are you referring to?

LB tried to play master manipulator and got called on his W-L record

Just like any other head coach

LB tried to politic for another roster.

Dolan says "until further notice, coach the guys I'm paying you $40MM to coach"

(7 of whom are 26 years old and under)

it ain't that deep


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5/16/2006  4:01 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

Teams that are winning go out and get coach's that fit the roster and can take them over the hump. Teams that are mired in mediocrity for years to come go out and get a winner and allow them to make changes. We are such a bad organization that we did neither of these and then want to jettison the coach that WE HIRED. We knew what we were getting. WE knew he was going to want changes. Bippity preached and preached for months on end that LB was not going to change us into Phoenix West. He preached that good coach's come in and demand changes. THAT WAS HIS JOB, NOT WINNING 40 GAMES. And for some reason when it happened we are upset.

Making the playoffs as an 8th seed will not turn us around. Changing the culture will. LB was hired to do that and after one year when we didn't like the way he did things we are going to go right back to what made us comfortable(mediocrity)

Let's stop taking it year by year, game by game, worrying about rotations, and start worrying about developing a long-term plan.

I respect what you have to say but when you start paying Brown's salary directly you probably should let Dolan determine what the man's job was. LOL, this is some crazy s#$t. So let me ask you this Bip, if Brown would have won say 42 games and made the 8th seed would you have said Brown was failing in his first season by not "breaking down" the roster as you claim was his job. Not just Bip all those who feel that it wasn't Brown's job to get the Knicks wins this season.
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5/16/2006  4:05 PM
To answer the original question, I prefer youth. I know it may mean more time must pass before this team is a contender again, but I think the Knicks franchise really needs to learn how to work within limits (i.e., get under the cap) and how to produce "homegrown" players. Let's start that with the three rookies. No more starphucking.
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5/16/2006  4:24 PM
BaskJones - thank you for your vote.

So far, nearly everyone has voted to develop yoot.

Anyone for Hilton Armstrong or Saer Sene?

Anyone for Channing Frye?

Anyone for David Lee?
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Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by Bippity10:

Teams that are winning go out and get coach's that fit the roster and can take them over the hump. Teams that are mired in mediocrity for years to come go out and get a winner and allow them to make changes. We are such a bad organization that we did neither of these and then want to jettison the coach that WE HIRED. We knew what we were getting. WE knew he was going to want changes. Bippity preached and preached for months on end that LB was not going to change us into Phoenix West. He preached that good coach's come in and demand changes. THAT WAS HIS JOB, NOT WINNING 40 GAMES. And for some reason when it happened we are upset.

Making the playoffs as an 8th seed will not turn us around. Changing the culture will. LB was hired to do that and after one year when we didn't like the way he did things we are going to go right back to what made us comfortable(mediocrity)

Let's stop taking it year by year, game by game, worrying about rotations, and start worrying about developing a long-term plan.

I respect what you have to say but when you start paying Brown's salary directly you probably should let Dolan determine what the man's job was. LOL, this is some crazy s#$t. So let me ask you this Bip, if Brown would have won say 42 games and made the 8th seed would you have said Brown was failing in his first season by not "breaking down" the roster as you claim was his job. Not just Bip all those who feel that it wasn't Brown's job to get the Knicks wins this season.

They said it in the intro press conference about 18 times Pharzeone. Then about 300 times as the season progressed. That's whree I get that form.

Not once did I use the term "breaking down the roster". So once again please read the post thoroughly before you quote people. I have said time and time again that wins are not important. It is the main theme to every post I have made for about 6 months now. Winning 23 games is no worse than winning 32 games. It still stinks. Winning 42 games without a direction or plan isn't any better. Year to year wins are not important to me. Larry Brown is not important to me. What's important to me is coming up with a plan and sticking with it and working towards a championship. We signed LB for a five year contract. We stated in a press conference that LB was hired to eventually bring us a championship. If that is the case and you give up on it after one year than what is the plan.

For the 80th time it is not about LB. It is about the directionless, rudderless franchise that is going no where. Many fans have just narrowed it down to LB because seeing him gone makes you feel better even though it means your organization is replacing him with a guy they plan on firing if he isn't doing well after 40 games. How is that direction?????

The day we have a plan and are making moves that fit into a plan I will be happy whether we win 20 games, 40 games and especially 60 games.

[Edited by - Bippity10 on 05-16-2006 4:29 PM]
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5/16/2006  4:27 PM
I respect what you have to say but when you start paying Brown's salary directly you probably should let Dolan determine what the man's job was. LOL, this is some crazy s#$t. So let me ask you this Bip, if Brown would have won say 42 games and made the 8th seed would you have said Brown was failing in his first season by not "breaking down" the roster as you claim was his job. Not just Bip all those who feel that it wasn't Brown's job to get the Knicks wins this season.

Pharezone, I think you know the deal. To a bunch of these guys, LB's 23 is better than any number of victories Isiah especially or any other coach can out up, even if the win total doubled next year. They are convinced that LB represents the "long view" when everything in his vaunted "track record" says different. They neglect to see that his requests to change the team are anti-rebuilding and anti-youth. They are "win now" requests to the nth degree.


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[Edited by - oohah on 05-16-2006 5:21 PM]
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5/16/2006  4:31 PM
Posted by misterearl:

BaskJones - thank you for your vote.

So far, nearly everyone has voted to develop yoot.

Anyone for Hilton Armstrong or Saer Sene?

Anyone for Channing Frye?

Anyone for David Lee?

Armstrong will not be available where the Knicks have their 1st pick, I am not sold on Boone. His defense was suspect late in the season and in the tournament. I rather get an athlethic shotblocker. I think sene could be that guy but I wouldn't take him with the Knicks 1st pick, I think you can get a quality athlethic player in Hollins in the 2nd round for almost nothing. Now if Sene is available at 29 that's a different story. You can do something like that. Don't worry I am not about to call Thomas a good coach but the man has shown the ability to play the best player available without agendas. Tinsley, O'Neal and Artest developed under him.
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5/16/2006  4:35 PM
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[Edited by - MisterEarl on 05-16-2006 4:36 PM]
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