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If Brown is out (however it happens) who do you want to coach this team for the next 3-5 years?
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Killa4luv
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Who do you want man assuming Brown is gone?
Rick Adelman - His teams have consistantly performed well.
Isiah Thomas - He made this bed, he should lay in it.
Stan Van Gundy - The other white meat. Kinda like JVG reloaded?
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Killa4luv
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5/15/2006  12:56 PM
Posted by fishmike:

Part of what excited me about Larry Brown is this roster does have talent, but no role players. A couple of LB "type" guys like Reggie Evans and Shane Battier and think this thing could turn around right away.
So what if Isiah does go and get a few guys like this?
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5/15/2006  12:58 PM
He wont. Isiah sees vets who have the "Potential" to ball, and flashy guards.
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5/15/2006  12:58 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by gunsnewing:

I'm seriously considering not watching games anymore until Dolan & Isiah are out. If it takes 40yrs then so be it! this is the final straw..

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 05-15-2006 12:11 PM]

I don't believe you...

I'm dead serious. There is absolutely nothing to look forward to anymore with this organization. No light at the end of the tunnel. I'm not wasting my time anymore watching overpaid athletes. I'm not even going to go root for another team.
The thought of watching sports to me is becoming a joke. Playing is a different story. There are more important things in life. I'll check standings from time but I can't tske the torture anymore

If the Knicks get rid of Brown and add a starting-caliber PF who defends and rebounds they will be fine.

fine for another decade of 2nd rd exits?
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5/15/2006  12:59 PM
Who in their right minds believes that either SVG or Adelman can step into this DYSFUNCTIONAL organization and stand a chance in hell at being able to coach prima donnas Marbury and Francis successfully?
Neither of these guys are going to want to deal with that crap.
Everyone else is coachable, but until Marbs and/or Francis are gone, I wouldn't touch this festering corpse with a ten foot pole.

Zeke, your turn. Get in bed.
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5/15/2006  1:00 PM
well your talking about Larry the GM, not Larry the coach. He's got a history of that, yes. Why do we have to trade Frye? Hell, Larry said he loves Frye and Crawford. If Larry wanted George Lynch he would have been here, instead he opted for Quentel Woods. Isiah said the only reason he gave Q2 a shot was because Larry wanted him.

Why cant we get past this point? Its the GMs job to do whats best for the organization. Its the coaches job to coach and teach the players he has. Both are failing right now, but at least one has a very strong history of getting things right. Isiah needs to get some players that fit his coache's needs, and he needs to upgrade the talent on this roster.

Great point about Iverson and Billups. The thing is BOTH of those guys have gone out of their way to say how Larry Brown made them better players when all was said and done.

ALL healthy organizations have checks and balances. GMs and head coaches have very different jobs, often conflicting jobs.
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5/15/2006  1:04 PM
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by fishmike:

Part of what excited me about Larry Brown is this roster does have talent, but no role players. A couple of LB "type" guys like Reggie Evans and Shane Battier and think this thing could turn around right away.
So what if Isiah does go and get a few guys like this?
what if indeed? The only need Isiah actually filled I thought was Crawford. Unless you could getting JJ filling a "need." Ki, I will see it when I believe it. What are you suggesting? He might actually make us better this offseason? I cant wait :)

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5/15/2006  1:14 PM
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by fishmike:

Part of what excited me about Larry Brown is this roster does have talent, but no role players. A couple of LB "type" guys like Reggie Evans and Shane Battier and think this thing could turn around right away.
So what if Isiah does go and get a few guys like this?

so then what's the point of getting rid of lb then?
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5/15/2006  1:17 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by fishmike:

Part of what excited me about Larry Brown is this roster does have talent, but no role players. A couple of LB "type" guys like Reggie Evans and Shane Battier and think this thing could turn around right away.
So what if Isiah does go and get a few guys like this?
what if indeed? The only need Isiah actually filled I thought was Crawford. Unless you could getting JJ filling a "need." Ki, I will see it when I believe it. What are you suggesting? He might actually make us better this offseason? I cant wait :)

I just want to know your reaction if he does this. Will you be happy? What if he turns out to be a great coach, or is that somewhere outside of the realm of possibility?

I really only have 2 points:
1. Brown should have done a better job, the roster is not 59 losses worth of bad.

2. I just want to get better. I am as open to Brown staying here and getting us better, as I am to Adelamn, Stan Van Gundy or Zeke getting us better. Brown would have to have a major change in his behavior and antics to do it here. 65 year olds tend not to be the most flexible people.

It just seems to me that many here only think Brown can do it.

[Edited by - killa4luv on 05-15-2006 1:19 PM]
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5/15/2006  1:17 PM
I've been saying Adelman. I like the offense he runs in Sacramento and I think it would be a great fit here with Frye and Lee. We'd need some more shooters but I think he could get us on the right track. I wouldn't mind SVG either.

But if Thomas is the coach, it'll be fitting
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5/15/2006  1:22 PM
I suggest the team shuts down and waits until all the contracts come off the books and then start playing competitive basketball again. Until then then lights in Madison Square Garden should remain dark the pockets of James Dolan should remain light. When the contracts come off the books and the only players left on the roster are Channing Frye and David Lee they can begin playing again.
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5/15/2006  1:22 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Killa4luv:

2. But, especially for those who have little faith in Isiah, if he coaches the team, this is the closest the organization can get to him being completely removed from the organization. If he succeeds, great. If he fails, great. Its kind of a win-win. The only thing is, some of you have such an emotional response to him that you wont really want him to be successful with this roster, especially when Larry couldn't be. You guys shouldn't be so emotional.

this should not be about the isiah redemption song. this should be what's best for the franchise.
And if Isiah succeeds with his roster and turns us around, wont that be whats best for the franchise?

If Isiah sucks at it, and we win 23 games again and he gets the complete axe, we get to start over with coach and GM and the presents a great new oppurtunity; wont that also be whats best for the franchise?

It is a total win-win if Isiah coaches, imo. He has to sink or swim. FAST!
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5/15/2006  1:27 PM
Posted by fishmike:

well your talking about Larry the GM, not Larry the coach. He's got a history of that, yes. Why do we have to trade Frye? Hell, Larry said he loves Frye and Crawford. If Larry wanted George Lynch he would have been here, instead he opted for Quentel Woods. Isiah said the only reason he gave Q2 a shot was because Larry wanted him.

Why cant we get past this point? Its the GMs job to do whats best for the organization. Its the coaches job to coach and teach the players he has. Both are failing right now, but at least one has a very strong history of getting things right. Isiah needs to get some players that fit his coache's needs, and he needs to upgrade the talent on this roster.

Great point about Iverson and Billups. The thing is BOTH of those guys have gone out of their way to say how Larry Brown made them better players when all was said and done.

ALL healthy organizations have checks and balances. GMs and head coaches have very different jobs, often conflicting jobs.

Larry also said he loved Larry Hughes but nevertheless, the young SG was playing in SAC after one season. LOL, that was the one veto that Isiah did use on Brown was no Lynch but caved in on keeping AD around (he must have lost Tyrone's #). Listen, you think Thomas wants to coach, the guy respects Brown, but this is a rare case where an owner is stepping in and saying I don't want you around here no more. GMs normally respect Brown and realize its a headache to deal with him. But look at Brown's past, this man has made such a muck of things that owners have to come out of the shadows to take shots at him. This would be Brown 2nd firing in less then a year. It will be the official 6th time I believe in his career that he is fired.
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5/15/2006  1:27 PM
People with half a brain will realize this team is not contructed to win a championship and will not be as long as Isiah Thomas is running this show. Isiah Thomas coming in and coaching this team to a sub500 record and a 8th seed in the playoffs does not float my boat and it does not excite me whatsoever. The people that want to see Isiah take charge of this team are beyond short-sighted and that's fine if you like mediocrity.

The goal in the NBA is to win a championship and not to be mediocre for years to come. This goal has long since passed the New York Knicks and their fans.
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5/15/2006  1:30 PM
IT - And when it fails, he leaves.

At this point, the only thing that can save the Knicks is getting sold to an owner who has a c-l-u-e!
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5/15/2006  1:30 PM
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Killa4luv:

2. But, especially for those who have little faith in Isiah, if he coaches the team, this is the closest the organization can get to him being completely removed from the organization. If he succeeds, great. If he fails, great. Its kind of a win-win. The only thing is, some of you have such an emotional response to him that you wont really want him to be successful with this roster, especially when Larry couldn't be. You guys shouldn't be so emotional.

this should not be about the isiah redemption song. this should be what's best for the franchise.
And if Isiah succeeds with his roster and turns us around, wont that be whats best for the franchise?

If Isiah sucks at it, and we win 23 games again and he gets the complete axe, we get to start over with coach and GM and the presents a great new oppurtunity; wont that also be whats best for the franchise?

It is a total win-win if Isiah coaches, imo. He has to sink or swim. FAST!

Obviously you didn't see Islesfan's poll. You must make a choice between who you rather see succeed Knicks or Isiah.
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5/15/2006  1:30 PM
Knicks are the laughing stock of the NBA. What will be next for this team? I don't want thomas coaching this team. He already killed this organization. What's next? I would rather see Adelman coaching this team. Let's clean up this oraganization. Let go off thomas,brown,starbury,you know everyone on this team except for the rookies. I believe these are the shining stars of the team.
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5/15/2006  1:32 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

People with half a brain will realize this team is not contructed to win a championship and will not be as long as Isiah Thomas is running this show. Isiah Thomas coming in and coaching this team to a sub500 record and a 8th seed in the playoffs does not float my boat and it does not excite me whatsoever. The people that want to see Isiah take charge of this team are beyond short-sighted and that's fine if you like mediocrity.

The goal in the NBA is to win a championship and not to be mediocre for years to come. This goal has long since passed the New York Knicks and their fans.

Then the Knicks have been failing for the last 35 years.
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5/15/2006  1:32 PM
Yo RV I'm callin you out right now, if IT is the caoch and start like 5 and 10, you better show your face here and not pull a Hardcore.
A glimmer of hope maybe?!?
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5/15/2006  1:34 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by nyk4ever:

People with half a brain will realize this team is not contructed to win a championship and will not be as long as Isiah Thomas is running this show. Isiah Thomas coming in and coaching this team to a sub500 record and a 8th seed in the playoffs does not float my boat and it does not excite me whatsoever. The people that want to see Isiah take charge of this team are beyond short-sighted and that's fine if you like mediocrity.

The goal in the NBA is to win a championship and not to be mediocre for years to come. This goal has long since passed the New York Knicks and their fans.

Then the Knicks have been failing for the last 35 years.

Your right they have. Atleast the 90s teams were constructed to win a championship and made it to finals. It's been one slap in the face after another before that and after that.
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5/15/2006  1:49 PM
No elite coach is coming here without a long-term guaranteed contract. Why would he? We are creating the same atmosphere with our coach's that we did with our players. Get your money!!!

It's so sad so many fans are okay with the same old cycle every year.
I just hope that people will like me
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