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JayNYC
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5/14/2006  4:33 AM
THIS WOULD BE BY FAR, THE WORST MOVE THIS FRANCHISE COULD EVER MAKE!!! THIS WOULD SURPASS TRADING AWAY P.E., SIGNING ALLAN HOUSTON TO 100 MILLION, ETC. ETC.


LARRY BROWN WAS THE BEST THING TO HAPPEN TO NYK. HE IS A VETERAN, PROVEN WINNER- HALL OF FAME COACH, W/ A KEEN SENSE ON HOW THE GAME IS SUPPOSED TO BE PLAYED. NO WAY, SHOULD HE BITE THE BULLET! WTF, IS WRONG WITH THIS ORGANIZATION?

ISIAH THOMAS BECOMES COACH? ISIAH IS THE GUY THAT IS PARTIALLY MOST RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CURRENT PROBLEMS OF THIS FRANCHISE. AS A GM, HE DID WHAT HE COULD DO GIVEN THE MAKEUP OF THE TEAM, AND CAP SITUATION.. BUT HAS SINCE ADDED TO THE SALARY ISSUES WHILE ONLY UPGRADING TALENT AT A MINIMAL.

HIS MOVES HAVE HAD NO MAJOR IMPACT ON US BEING A FACTOR IN THE NBA... BELIEVE IT OR NOT, LB DID WHAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE YEARS AGO... EXPOSE THIS TEAM FOR WHAT IT IS! SO WHO BECOMES GM? WHAT IS ZEKE GONNA DO ON THE SIDELINES THAT HE COULDN'T DO UPSTAIRS?

THIS TEAM HAS NO DIRECTION, SCREWED FROM THE WAY UP- WE HAVE AN OWNER... WHO SPENDS MONEY, BUT DOESN'T HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE OF BASKETBALL! A GM... THAT HAS A HIGH B-BALL IQ, BUT STINKS FROM A BUSINESS RELATIONS ASPECT. PLAYERS- THAT HAVE EQUAL IF NOT MORE TALENT THAN ANY INDIVIDUAL ROSTER ON THE NBA, BUT LACK THE INTANGIBLES LIKE LEADERSHIP, AND UNDERSTANDING OF HOW TO PLAY.. SO WE'LL NEVER SEE A WINNING TEAM CHEMISTRY ON THE COURT. NOW... THE GARDEN BRASS HAS ELECTED TO INCLUDE ITS FANS, MAKING US JUST AS LOST AS WE'VE EVER BEEN.

THIS IS CRAZY!!!!
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5/14/2006  4:44 AM
Posted by JayNYC:

THIS WOULD BE BY FAR, THE WORST MOVE THIS FRANCHISE COULD EVER MAKE!!! THIS WOULD SURPASS TRADING AWAY P.E., SIGNING ALLAN HOUSTON TO 100 MILLION, ETC. ETC.


LARRY BROWN WAS THE BEST THING TO HAPPEN TO NYK. HE IS A VETERAN, PROVEN WINNER- HALL OF FAME COACH, W/ A KEEN SENSE ON HOW THE GAME IS SUPPOSED TO BE PLAYED. NO WAY, SHOULD HE BITE THE BULLET! WTF, IS WRONG WITH THIS ORGANIZATION?

ISIAH THOMAS BECOMES COACH? ISIAH IS THE GUY THAT IS PARTIALLY MOST RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CURRENT PROBLEMS OF THIS FRANCHISE. AS A GM, HE DID WHAT HE COULD DO GIVEN THE MAKEUP OF THE TEAM, AND CAP SITUATION.. BUT HAS SINCE ADDED TO THE SALARY ISSUES WHILE ONLY UPGRADING TALENT AT A MINIMAL.

HIS MOVES HAVE HAD NO MAJOR IMPACT ON US BEING A FACTOR IN THE NBA... BELIEVE IT OR NOT, LB DID WHAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE YEARS AGO... EXPOSE THIS TEAM FOR WHAT IT IS! SO WHO BECOMES GM? WHAT IS ZEKE GONNA DO ON THE SIDELINES THAT HE COULDN'T DO UPSTAIRS?

THIS TEAM HAS NO DIRECTION, SCREWED FROM THE WAY UP- WE HAVE AN OWNER... WHO SPENDS MONEY, BUT DOESN'T HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE OF BASKETBALL! A GM... THAT HAS A HIGH B-BALL IQ, BUT STINKS FROM A BUSINESS RELATIONS ASPECT. PLAYERS- THAT HAVE EQUAL IF NOT MORE TALENT THAN ANY INDIVIDUAL ROSTER ON THE NBA, BUT LACK THE INTANGIBLES LIKE LEADERSHIP, AND UNDERSTANDING OF HOW TO PLAY.. SO WE'LL NEVER SEE A WINNING TEAM CHEMISTRY ON THE COURT. NOW... THE GARDEN BRASS HAS ELECTED TO INCLUDE ITS FANS, MAKING US JUST AS LOST AS WE'VE EVER BEEN.

THIS IS CRAZY!!!!



I will site that the biggest failure on this team is the fact that Jerome James was a no show, so the center position was squarly on Curry's shoulders and he simply still was not ready to take it all on. That was the majority of our defense, can we agree on that fact? So in my mind, I can't possibly lay blame on either Zeke or Brown. Q's brothers tradgedy was a big dissapointment also and didn't help matters much either. That of course is not a fault, but just bad Knick timing.
I'll never trust this' team again.
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5/14/2006  4:53 AM
This could spoil a wonderful post I was constructing for ohhah....
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5/14/2006  4:53 AM
LB is OVERRATED. He's good, but he isn't the god of all coaches. He was the WORST thing to happen to this franchise, even tho we expected that he'd be the best thing. Isaiah has made his mistakes, but he's also done some really good things for this team given the situation. When you look at the young players he's brought in, they all have game and are good kids. Their not what LB wants you to think this team is about. Frye, Lee and Nate where a breath of fresh air this year and really only LB held them back. Curry was at a disadvantage and I expect that he'll be better from here on out. Q and Woods are decent players and they both have a good team spirit as well, as Butler and Jamal. So that's Seven players who are NOT bad character guys in terms of team basketball. The only thing this team really needs is to play the best players consistently and allow them to do what they do best. If LB had done that we wouldn't have had to go thru this disaster. Sure we would've lost a few games due to the young guys making mistakes, but in the end I believe we would have won more games if they had been allowed to jell and learn together. Don't jump on Isaiah and Dolan, cuz LB killed any chance our young players had of getting it together this year.
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5/14/2006  4:58 AM
listen boys, we knew this off-season was gonna be a wild ride. I don't doubt Dolan's upset, and the possibility of this.

Heck, he fired Marv Albert, knicks legend, for being negative. Brown means nothing after Marv.

OTOH, I expect all kinds of similar rumors about Isiah, Marbury, James, etc. This is just the first turn of the ferris wheel. Over and over it will go...
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5/14/2006  5:02 AM
He is a terrible fit for the talent on the team, and given the contracts of the players, and the accompanying cap problems, it's a lot easier to dump Larry than to change the roster.

It also likely means the team will continue to add young players rather than burning youth for aging role players.

It has always been said that Shula and Parcells are great coaches because they adjust their systems to the talent on the team. Larry doesn't. He just whines.

If the teams sucks, Isiah will be gone some time during the season, and we can only hope that Mills will be too.


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5/14/2006  8:16 AM
Malooofs or Cohen have probably already indicated to Glass they are ready to pay Brown.

Dip**** Knicks management and 38 wins is OK fans as long as Eddy dunks on somebody are likely grinning, rubbing their hands together sneering "sucker!"

classic case of the

1 for you 1 for me

2 for you 1,2 for me rouse


LB get his all his 40 mill then gets to go coach a team that actually has a chance to

a) make the postseason

b) advance

as for the youth movement?

noone who has assumed Larry would ruin it hs yet to explain why Jerome James received the full mid which pays him until he is 36. Youth movement = farce.

Youth movement is what Boston and Portland did: acquire draft picks, dump aging vets and not sign or re-sign anymore.

Isiah's seat of his pants GM'ing style is exactly what he called it: asset collecting.
the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
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5/14/2006  8:19 AM
Let's see if I have this straight. Isiah has never won anything after his playing days, as a GM, as a coach or as a league owner, no one on the knick roster other than Malik Rose has ever won anything as a player, LB has won in two professional leagues and in college, is widely considered the best coach around and the one to be eliiminated is WHO?

Memo to Jim Dolan-You're a member of the lucky sperm club-your father paid for your education and handed you a sports franchise. Read what other general managers have to say before you shoot yourself in the foot.
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5/14/2006  8:28 AM
Nets are about to get a huge boost to their fanbase if this happens. Can't see many of the older fans standing for this.



the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
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5/14/2006  8:42 AM
Posted by TheSage:

Let's see if I have this straight. Isiah has never won anything after his playing days, as a GM, as a coach or as a league owner, no one on the knick roster other than Malik Rose has ever won anything as a player, LB has won in two professional leagues and in college, is widely considered the best coach around and the one to be eliiminated is WHO?

Memo to Jim Dolan-You're a member of the lucky sperm club-your father paid for your education and handed you a sports franchise. Read what other general managers have to say before you shoot yourself in the foot.


VERY WELL SAID!

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5/14/2006  8:52 AM
Posted by JayNYC:
Posted by TheSage:

Let's see if I have this straight. Isiah has never won anything after his playing days, as a GM, as a coach or as a league owner, no one on the knick roster other than Malik Rose has ever won anything as a player, LB has won in two professional leagues and in college, is widely considered the best coach around and the one to be eliiminated is WHO?

Memo to Jim Dolan-You're a member of the lucky sperm club-your father paid for your education and handed you a sports franchise. Read what other general managers have to say before you shoot yourself in the foot.


VERY WELL SAID!

Thank you
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5/14/2006  9:07 AM
Youth movement is what Boston and Portland did: acquire draft picks, dump aging vets and not sign or re-sign anymore.
Not sure you want to cite Boston or Portland as something we want to aim for
noone who has assumed Larry would ruin it hs yet to explain why Jerome James received the full mid which pays him until he is 36.
Isiah's made a lot of awful decisions, the JJ signing being one of the biggest ones. Brown made a lot of awful decisions, creating an atmosphere of laziness by playing lazy players and benching hard workers most of the year being the biggest one. Criticizing Brown does not praise Isiah. Brown set the standard so low that if Isiah can get the team to 40 wins, he might win coach of the year award.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 05-14-2006 09:39 AM]
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5/14/2006  9:57 AM
MSG MULLS LARRY'S EXIT, BENCH RETURN FOR ISIAH
Peter Vescey

May 14, 2006 -- HOOP DU JOUR AMONG the "celebrities" who ambled over to Lincoln Center to watch David Blaine immerse himself in a water bubble was Isiah Thomas. If anybody can appreciate someone who stands around the West Side doing nothing, it's the Knicks president.

Then again, should information from a high-level team source prove precise, I'll be forced to wolf those words.

According to that Knicks hearing aide, Thomas suddenly has a plan; who cares if it's borrowed from his bosses? From what I'm told, Cablevision boss James Dolan and Garden President Steve Mills are endorsing the buyout of Larry Brown's remaining $44 million, four-year obligation, and strongly urging Thomas to take over as head coach, a position he held for three years with the Pacers.

That's one way, I guess, of holding Thomas accountable. Since replacing Scott Layden 21/2 seasons ago, he's assembled and re-assembled the roster.

Presumably, he thinks his chosen ones can play more than a lick.

Presumably, he still likes most, contrary to Brown, who loathes most, none more than Stephon Marbury, Isiah's poisonous pet who recoils on orders. That's why Stephon didn't make his season-ending speech to the media, as threatened; his cult figure commanded him to holster his fangs.

Presumably, Thomas will be able to extract more energy, caring and loyalty from his recruits than a drill instructor who habitually rags them in public. Marbury won't exactly be the only player celebrating, should Brown be bounced.

The way I hear it, Thomas is positive the Knicks will improve appreciably with him in charge. He's confident a tweak here, a tweak there, and his talent pool's win total will soar from 23 to close to break even.

For months, the piqued, the turned off and the tuned out have advocated the deportation of Mills, Thomas, Brown and Marbury, altogether aware it would never remotely happen in its entirety during this off-season or, considering their bloated contracts, in seasons to come.

Convincing Dolan to extinguish himself is a more practical prospect. You can't as much as tempt him to sell his family cable company and all its accoutrements; it's not like people haven't made the effort.

"The only way to get the Knicks out of Dolan's clutches," groans the above-mentioned insider, someone who's been there, tried that, "is to pry it from his cold hands." At the very least (at best, in other words), the popular rumination by those lost in a daydream is that even Dolan, Mills and Thomas must recognize that Brown and Marbury cannot return for another venomous go-around.

One pollutant or the other - hopefully both - must be eradicated before next season's projected mediocre presentation is too far gone to resuscitate.

Unless Brown's health issues - and advantageous insurance clauses - compel him to split, that would have seemed to leave Marbury as the odd man out. Judging by quotes from Timberwolves owner Glen Taylor, it's not unreasonable to visualize a trade to re-acquire Kevin Garnett's former kindergarten playmate.

That was the common-held belief. Yet, we figured wrong.

*

Presumably, that means more than the firing/expiring of Joe Favorito, so far the sorry season's lone casualty . . . though I often suspected the veteran Madison Square Garden publicity man was responsible for a lot of the Knicks' problems.

My next 10 thoughts, exhumed from the cracks in my cranium re: Thomas coaching the Knicks:

1. I like it. Why ask your overpaid, underperforming figurines to tune out two different overpaid, underperforming figureheads when you can eliminate the middle man and pass the savings on to no one.

2. What size gurney does Thomas take?

3. Let's see if I get this: Thomas, an abject failure in one job - president of basketball operations - is given additional duties. Who's running Camp Cablevision? Howard Dean?

4. Did Anucha Browne Sanders sign off on this?

5. How long will it take Thomas and Marbury to fall out of love?

6. Is this the Knicks' way of offering to serve St. John's probation?

7. What happens to Next Town Brown? Has someone considered his feelings? I mean, the guy's been about nothing but stability for three decades. This might very well be a shock to his system.

8. Where are poll numbers worse - 2 Pennsylvania Plaza or 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue?

9. I smell a Maloof.

10. Someone tell Next Town, if he makes this racial, there's a job opening at Power 105.1.


[Edited by - djsunyc on 05-14-2006 10:06 AM]
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5/14/2006  10:08 AM
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5/14/2006  10:24 AM

If true I will be truly amazed over this turn of events.

Sounds like Dido is running the organization now!

This one might take me over the edge.

In fact, I must say the time devoted to watch games vs. say learn to play guitar or read the list of novels I want to further engage is far more of a good Idea that being a part of such a wasteful organization.

Any group of people whom have such little regard to the amounts of money they waste is truly out of touch with the rest of the world.

Its hard to fathom the money paid to these guys, but to habitually waste it on emotional issues is even crazy. 19 mil to shandon, Lennys millions, and now this? 44 mil feeds a lot of people folks.

I'll reserve judgement until I hear it as fact.

This is just nuts!
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5/14/2006  10:26 AM


Yes, yes, yes, there is a god....Can it be, I don't believe it...Guys I just got back from Florida and just got the news....I have to collect myself......YES!!!!!!!!!
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5/14/2006  10:29 AM
Posted by Nalod:

44 mil feeds a lot of people folks.

I'll reserve judgement until I hear it as fact.

This is just nuts!

#1. 44 mil can feed a country. and right around the corner from msg, there are bums hudling in the winter.
#2. waiting until it's fact is a good thing...but these stories don't come out for sh ts&giggles. they're either guaging fan reaction or they are going to go through with this.

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5/14/2006  10:32 AM


There is no way that Dude is getting 44 mil...If this is true...Further proof that the organization believes he tanked the season....Yes!!!
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5/14/2006  10:33 AM

I guess Steph was moe clued in than we gave him credit for...YES!!!!

[Edited by - holfresh on 05-14-2006 10:33 AM]
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5/14/2006  10:40 AM


Guys, I know many of you are in shock now and others may be distraught...This is a good thing, trust me...Larry tried his power play and it didn't work....Now it's all on Zeke, the way it should be....YES!!!

Knicks may buy out Larry Brown

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