being out of shape is what Curry does hoss. you can't discount that.

if by coming along late you mean playing well in the playoffs, then I'd have to say that Kobe and Phil Jackson have done a better job than Marbury and Larry Brown.

I've watched Curry score 10 points in first 8 minutes of a game against a quality opponent (and then get in foul trouble) and that was this year out of shape...I've yet to see anything from Kwame Brown that indicates he is even capable of this.

And if I'm not mistaken, they are the same age. Curry was not playing basketball longer than Kwame last year but they both didn't play in the playoffs and Kwame got a full off season with Kobe and the Phil and the lakers to get into game shape, and still hasn't shown anything that Curry has shown me this year and his career statistics have shown the rest of you.

I am not a bulls fan and I can honestly say I never even heard of curry (with the exception of that fight he got in with shaq up in chicago that year) before he was mentioned on this board and I was forced to reserve my judgement until this year.

But because of Jordan, I did keep tabs on kwame, if only as a cheerleader hoping he could prove the critics wrong, and he has to some degree this year. With that being said, i'm still coming to the conclusion that he is better than Kwame based on their compared career statistics and their play this season.

what have you got to explain why Kwame is better than Curry?

Posted by Allanfan20:

Posted by rvhoss:

hey, keep in mind, Curry is better than Kwame...no if's ands or buts.

rv, back up your explanation with some facts. Kwame is having big games right now. Curry has been pretty bad this season, as has Kwame, but at least Kwame started coming along late.

Keep in mind, I never said Kwame was a bust, see my post above on being a fan of kwame if only for him being an underdog, but even out of shape, he's better statistically and he's more athletic and he's got an easier area to improve in than kwame.

Curry needs to improve on his ability to not pick up offensive fouls, kwame needs to improve his ability to play with passion.

While in the playoffs, I think he is doing this, once again, this is more a credit to kobe and phil than to Kwame being an all star over night.

He's still a somewhat role player. I believe Walton had a better overall game last night (or was it this morning) yet nobody is proclaiming him to be better than Curry.

Try not to dog your own team so much, it's not very becoming.

Posted by rvhoss:

Keep in mind, I never said Kwame was a bust, see my post above on being a fan of kwame if only for him being an underdog, but even out of shape, he's better statistically and he's more athletic and he's got an easier area to improve in than kwame.

Curry needs to improve on his ability to not pick up offensive fouls, kwame needs to improve his ability to play with passion.

While in the playoffs, I think he is doing this, once again, this is more a credit to kobe and phil than to Kwame being an all star over night.

He's still a somewhat role player. I believe Walton had a better overall game last night (or was it this morning) yet nobody is proclaiming him to be better than Curry.

Try not to dog your own team so much, it's not very becoming.

When has Curry ever played with passion? If he played with passion he'd be taking alot more then 8.3 shots a game and he'd be using some of that awesome athleticism he has on the defensive end. The only thing Curry has passion for is all you can eat buffets.

I agree with some of your points, specifically that Kwame playing closer to the basketball player he is capable of, however, since everything you hate about curry is opinion, I'd like to just point to the statistics (that btw, have already been posted and apperently ignored)

Posted by Killa4luv:

Eddy has him beat in every statistical category,
Kwame averages 7.4 points to Eddy's 13.6, there is no comparison. Eddy played poorly this year, and still looks much better than Kwame. Lets keep this realistic.

       kwame    eddy
min    27       26
ppg    7.4      13.6
reb    6.6      6.0
ast    1.0      0.5
blk    0.6      0.8
fg%    53%      56%
ft%    55%      63%
fga    5.4      8.3
fta    3.3      6.8

Thinking about how someone played at the end of the year...

One scenario your team is playing for something, in another you team is playing for nothing. I don't believe that argument is anything more than just your opinion...and since this is a message board where opinion is what it's all about, i respect it, but in my opinion, historically and currently, Eddy Curry is better than Kwame Brown.

I felt the fga and fta were interesting as getting to the "free" throw line is an important aspect of the game and having a better free throw percentage is important as well. I was amazed that Curry had more blocks as that has been the main think LB has been harping on.

So, my argument, statistically speaking, Curry is better, what was your argument again?

about the same as Kwame has done under phil jackson to make their record better.

What the hell do coaches have to do with this? When are players accountable for themselves and making themselves better? The Knicks traded for Curry and gave him a huge contract, if thats not enough incentive to play basketball to the best your capable of then nothing will ever make him play. Good players aren't pushed by coaches to be the players they can be, it comes from their own willpower.

i think the lakers playing for the playoffs and the knicks playing to get people fired played a pretty big role both Kwame and Eddy's stats.

JMHO.

Rvhoss...Out.

Posted by gunsnewing:

why would you re-post their season averages when it was already made clear that Kwame has made way more progress than Curry ever has the last 2months of the season and his team is in the playoffs and he's contributing offensively and most importantly defensively and passing out of the triangle with perfection!

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 04-29-2006 1:54 PM]

Because his season averages validates his position about Curry being better then Kwame even though Kwame is the one who is producing in the PLAYOFFS, something Curry has never seen.

lol...i'm audi now...stop dragging me back in!!

I am not going to compare Kwame to Eddy. Nor am I going to reflect on their respective deals or how their teams got them.

I will say this though. I have been watch basketball for many, many years now. Not many live games, but more then enough tv to pass judgement in this case.

In my opinion, MY opinion, Kwame Brown sucks. He is useless. Garbage. Rotten. I wouldnt trade Fishmike for him.

He has no fire, no drive, no competitive spirit, no talent and no skills.

He's a magnificent physical specimen, and he knows what a basketball is. Thats the only way he can at least achieve these purple patches, one of which he is going through right now.

I would choose Eddy Curry over Kwame Brown on so many different levels I couldnt write them all down. But mainly, I would take Eddy over Kwame because Eddy is a basketball player. Get him in shape and he can dominate. Absolutely dominate. Noone can deny that. He's done it before while he was out of shape. Notice I said CAN dominate, not WILL dominate. I am willing to wait for that day.

On the other hand, Kwame Brown is just a tall guy in a uniform. He couldnt dominate my 2 year old.