[ IMAGES: Images ON turn off | ACCOUNT: User Status is LOCKED why? ]

why can chicago be in the playoffs...but we can't?
Forum Index  ›  NY Knicks Forum
Page 3 of 3 ‹ Previous 1  2  3 
« Reply To Topic
Author Thread
crzymdups
Posts: 52018
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 5/1/2004
Member: #671
USA
4/24/2006  9:20 PM
yeah, but does that squad still sound like a championship squad? it's a double-edged sword. to get under the cap to sign guys like that, you have to give up the guys who make you what you are. You mentioned both Battier and Miller when you said adding a Carter/Pierce makes them contenders. so you have to subtract a piece to add a piece. Carter hasn't shown the fire to win without a guy like Kidd cajoling him. Pierce can't do it by himself either. I'm not sold. Anyway, Memphis has to do a lot of work, as do the Knicks.
¿ △ ?
AUTOADVERT
crzymdups
Posts: 52018
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 5/1/2004
Member: #671
USA
4/24/2006  9:22 PM
also, Jamal Crawford is a sixth man shoorter rebounder distributor, too. and the Knicks got Craw much cheaper.

The Francis/Rose trades were stupid on Isiah's part, I won't argue that, but I think he's obsessed with getting something for expiring deals because he knows they are his only chips to improve the club. I'm not condoning it, but I think that's his reasoning.
¿ △ ?
tkf
Posts: 36487
Alba Posts: 6
Joined: 8/13/2001
Member: #87
4/24/2006  9:24 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by tkf:


Gordon is what 23? and Hinrich is 24, they are not that young, these guys are young vets and play like seasoned veterans. Gordon is a smallish SG but he also is a problem for the opposing SG to cover, so to say that he is flawed because he can't guard opposing SG's is not accurate. They also can't guard him either.... The bulls have done a lot of things right, I don't see that changing, they have some good kids, good vets, and a good coach, good GM, good ownership, that makes for a good mix.... They have picks, cap room and good players with good deals, they can trade, with the exception of chandler... The bulls are in great shape....

So it's not a flaw to not be able to guard anyone? Great. That makes our entire roster flawless. Thanks, man, I feel better now.


oh come on with the drama man. every player has flaws, but it is how they mitigate those flaws that is important. Gordon is not that bad of a defender, but he is such a offensive threat, his man has to expend a lot of energy guarding him. Gordon will not hurt you on defense while he is on the floor, he will help you more on offense than he will hurt you on defense... How many knicks players can we say that about?
Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
McK1
Posts: 26527
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/16/2005
Member: #964
4/24/2006  9:27 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

yeah, but does that squad still sound like a championship squad? it's a double-edged sword. to get under the cap to sign guys like that, you have to give up the guys who make you what you are. You mentioned both Battier and Miller when you said adding a Carter/Pierce makes them contenders. so you have to subtract a piece to add a piece. Carter hasn't shown the fire to win without a guy like Kidd cajoling him. Pierce can't do it by himself either. I'm not sold. Anyway, Memphis has to do a lot of work, as do the Knicks.

If they need to doesn't mean they necessarily do.

whats a few mill here or there to guys who have already enjoyed tens of millions. If they see Memphis as a viable option to compete for a title at that stage of their career, the possibility of 1 of those guys taking a slight paycut to WIN it all is there.

Carter and Kidd singlehandedly put NJ in the play-offs last season. They went something like 16-4 over the final 20. This year they won 49 games and it would've been more in Jersey didn't sit everybody the final couple of games.
the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
McK1
Posts: 26527
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/16/2005
Member: #964
4/24/2006  9:30 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

also, Jamal Crawford is a sixth man shoorter rebounder distributor, too. and the Knicks got Craw much cheaper.

hat statement reminds me of that Heineken commercial with the son who brought beer, too

Is he crzy, is he really?

and cheaper?

7 yrs 56 mill in a sign and trade for NY's only back-up point guard and only shot-blocker.

Memphis got Miller straight up for Gooden while both were on rookie contracts
the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
McK1
Posts: 26527
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/16/2005
Member: #964
4/24/2006  9:37 PM
Miller who just turned 26

45% fr the field
40% fr 3
77% fr the line

13 pts 4 rebounds 3 assists for his career

-----

Crawford who also just turned 26

40% fr th efield
35% fr 3
83% fr the line

13 pts 3 rebs 4 assts

one is a model of floor game and efficiency, the other is a model of ball dominating and volume shooting

the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
crzymdups
Posts: 52018
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 5/1/2004
Member: #671
USA
4/25/2006  1:15 AM
they play different positions and Craw developed into much more of a leader this season. they have pretty much the exact same numbers except Miller is a better shooter. Craw had two years of HS bball and 20 games of college, he had to learn in Chicago and you can make an argument that Brown is the first good coach he's ever had. how can you question his attitude?

I like Miller, but I'm not going to knock Crawford. as for Crawford's salary, he's one of the only Knicks to earn it:
http://www.82games.com/0506/0506NYK.HTM

¿ △ ?
McK1
Posts: 26527
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/16/2005
Member: #964
4/25/2006  3:34 AM
I'm with hol and killa

you don't earn your salary by playing well when the games don't matter. leading team to 22 wins ain't ****. He had his shot when Steph went down and NY actually had a chance to climb back. Instead

ker-plunk!

Mike registered a triple-double off he bench this season.

Mike gets the same amount of points and assists without holding on to the ball as much. This season Mike upped his rebounding to over 5 a game.

Maybe we can revisit this around all-star break next season but Miller is hands own the favorite in all aspects and currently is in another stratosphere as a player.




[Edited by - McK1 on 04-25-2006 07:56 AM]
the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
fishmike
Posts: 53902
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 7/19/2002
Member: #298
USA
4/25/2006  7:20 AM
I love Mike Miller... guys around here made fun of me for going all out for him. I do think Jaric can be that kind of player in a package for Marbury -> Sota.

I have to agree w/ McK1 on this one. While I see the ceiling regarding Memphis your talking about they still have a lot of options. Also, they are already good. They are also playing without a PG right now. Remember Mouse was off to a very good start this year for them, and they havent been as good since he went down.
"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
Killa4luv
Posts: 27769
Alba Posts: 51
Joined: 6/23/2002
Member: #261
USA
4/25/2006  10:36 AM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by Killa4luv:

Their coach is not a bi-polar diva. And yes they do play tough.
OMG.. Skiles is an ego mental case.. ask Kidd, they couldnt coexist in Pho.
Also Skiles kills guys in the media. He killed Tim Thomas, he killed Sweetney and he killed Curry last year. The difference is everyone on the Bulls plays and practices hard, or they dont get in the game.
Killing guys in the paper and being a bi-polar diva are not the same thing. Killing guys for effort is one thing. Killing guys for every mistake in the book, when they are clearly trying is another. Thats what makes guys quit on you.


[Edited by - killa4luv on 04-25-2006 10:43 AM]
Killa4luv
Posts: 27769
Alba Posts: 51
Joined: 6/23/2002
Member: #261
USA
4/25/2006  10:49 AM
Posted by McK1:

I'm with hol and killa

you don't earn your salary by playing well when the games don't matter. leading team to 22 wins ain't ****. He had his shot when Steph went down and NY actually had a chance to climb back. Instead

ker-plunk!

Mike registered a triple-double off he bench this season.

Mike gets the same amount of points and assists without holding on to the ball as much. This season Mike upped his rebounding to over 5 a game.

Maybe we can revisit this around all-star break next season but Miller is hands own the favorite in all aspects and currently is in another stratosphere as a player.




[Edited by - McK1 on 04-25-2006 07:56 AM]

I also like Mike Miller. I think Craw has the potential to be much better than him, but I don't know if he will. Craw is obviously underachieving by alot, he can be a star, I don't feel the same about Mike Miller, although I like him alot as a player. At this point, I would really be focussing on what I think is a better fit. We need a sharp shooter and Mike is that. Crawford really dissappointed me this season, neither one of them play defense, but I think with Steph here, its better to have that sharp shooter. I'm not necassarily saying Mike is the better player, but I believe he's the better fit. Its a gamble though, Craw could leave and explode. But his role here as a pg, seems inapropriate to me, Craw should be a 2 guard in the mold of Rip, why LB doesn't see that, I don't know.
Page 3 of 3 ‹ Previous 1  2  3 
« Reply To Topic
why can chicago be in the playoffs...but we can't?
Forum Index  ›  NY Knicks Forum

©2001-2025 ultimateknicks.comm All rights reserved. About Us.
This site is not affiliated with the NY Knicks or the National Basketball Association in any way.
You may visit the official NY Knicks web site by clicking here.

All times (GMT-05:00) Eastern Time.

Terms of Use and Privacy Policy