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fishmike
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4/24/2006  2:58 PM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by fishmike:

Any player that was demoralized by what LB said should be sent packing anyway. I want guys that dont make excuses, and dont need a good reason to play hard. It doesnt matter who coaches. They played like crap for Herb, they played like crap for Lenny. They played like crap for Larry. Only difference? Larry said "you played like crap."

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
nobody will either, because there is no excuse for it. I said when people raked Chaney over the coals that the problem wasnt the coach. Only difference is those players played hard, they just werent very good. These players are supposedly good but dont play hard. Funny how we won more games with the lame duck coach and less talented guys that put forth 100%

good point fish. One question that still has gone unanswered is this. What does larry calling out the players have to do with them, not playing defense, turning the ball over, not hustling, not rebounding or boxing out, not comming into camp in shape, not sharing the ball, and not playing smart. I mean all of that is on the players, it has nothing to do with varying lineups, newspaper quotes, or defined roles. It has everything to do with the type of player you are.... No one has reasonably addressed that, and until then, I will always side with brown on this one...

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4/24/2006  3:02 PM
There's calling out your players, which is fine. But there's also a thing called playing to your strengths and trying to hide your players' weaknesses with complimentary players. The latter part is all on Zeke, the former is all on Larry.

It's a mess all around and it's really getting tired having people try to blame one person or the other. Both Isiah and Larry are at fault and we have to hope they fix it, because apparently Dolan is pleased as peaches.
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4/24/2006  3:05 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by fishmike:

Any player that was demoralized by what LB said should be sent packing anyway. I want guys that dont make excuses, and dont need a good reason to play hard. It doesnt matter who coaches. They played like crap for Herb, they played like crap for Lenny. They played like crap for Larry. Only difference? Larry said "you played like crap."

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa



They played .500 for Lenny...

2003 they were 23-23 and won a lot of crap games against tanking teams late to get that 7th seed with 39 wins
They followed that by going 17-22 under Lenny before he mysteriously "quit."

Awesome... Knick fans only settle for the best.

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4/24/2006  3:22 PM
2003 they were 23-23 and won a lot of crap games against tanking teams late to get that 7th seed with 39 wins
They followed that by going 17-22 under Lenny before he mysteriously "quit."

Awesome... Knick fans only settle for the best.

Lucky thing for Lenny, or I guess he would have been 23-59.

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4/24/2006  3:34 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by fishmike:

Any player that was demoralized by what LB said should be sent packing anyway. I want guys that dont make excuses, and dont need a good reason to play hard. It doesnt matter who coaches. They played like crap for Herb, they played like crap for Lenny. They played like crap for Larry. Only difference? Larry said "you played like crap."

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa



They played .500 for Lenny...

2003 they were 23-23 and won a lot of crap games against tanking teams late to get that 7th seed with 39 wins
They followed that by going 17-22 under Lenny before he mysteriously "quit."

Awesome... Knick fans only settle for the best.

ah, i think back & fondly reminisce about the good ol' days when we had Lenny Wilkens as our coach, & TT as our SF... whatever happened to the good ol' days?
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4/24/2006  3:42 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

There's calling out your players, which is fine. But there's also a thing called playing to your strengths and trying to hide your players' weaknesses with complimentary players. The latter part is all on Zeke, the former is all on Larry.

It's a mess all around and it's really getting tired having people try to blame one person or the other. Both Isiah and Larry are at fault and we have to hope they fix it, because apparently Dolan is pleased as peaches.

I think the guys that are brown supporters are just as stubborn as brown. They don't want to sat anything or hear anything except that the players this and isiah that.

I think its everyones fault but I'm just sick of seeing guys base all their argument on the fact the coach is Larry brown. That is just blind faith.
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4/24/2006  3:48 PM
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by crzymdups:

There's calling out your players, which is fine. But there's also a thing called playing to your strengths and trying to hide your players' weaknesses with complimentary players. The latter part is all on Zeke, the former is all on Larry.

It's a mess all around and it's really getting tired having people try to blame one person or the other. Both Isiah and Larry are at fault and we have to hope they fix it, because apparently Dolan is pleased as peaches.

I think the guys that are brown supporters are just as stubborn as brown. They don't want to sat anything or hear anything except that the players this and isiah that.

I think its everyones fault but I'm just sick of seeing guys base all their argument on the fact the coach is Larry brown. That is just blind faith.

i think that since it IS larry brown, it's even more evident.
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4/24/2006  3:51 PM
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by crzymdups:

There's calling out your players, which is fine. But there's also a thing called playing to your strengths and trying to hide your players' weaknesses with complimentary players. The latter part is all on Zeke, the former is all on Larry.

It's a mess all around and it's really getting tired having people try to blame one person or the other. Both Isiah and Larry are at fault and we have to hope they fix it, because apparently Dolan is pleased as peaches.

I think the guys that are brown supporters are just as stubborn as brown. They don't want to sat anything or hear anything except that the players this and isiah that.

I think its everyones fault but I'm just sick of seeing guys base all their argument on the fact the coach is Larry brown. That is just blind faith.

Blind faith is having faith without any proof of success.....Blind faith describes the guys that ride Steph's jock and saying he isn't at fault for anything, when history proves that his teams lose with him. SO either he actually is the unluckiest player the world has ever seen or he is just a cancer. Agreeing with everything that Brown has done may be overzealousness, but at least Brown has the credibility of winning to back it up.

Look, like I posted before, If some guys are gonna write off Larry's history, you have to write off Steph's. No wins for Brown no stats for Steph. Now starting at point blank, no past history shown, compare the job the 2 did this season. Both sucked. And using this theory, both should be gone.

Now if the argument is Steph averages 20 and 8 for his career, then cool, you have to take LB's past into effect to and that proves that he has won, Steph hasn't.

You can't say Steph has averaged 20 and 8 for his entire career and then write off LB's past as not relevant. That is a flawed one sided argument. And if you DO want to use the past, use the whole past. Steph averaged 20 and 8 and didn't win. Larry had some horrible teams the first year he coached any given team, but they always ended up in a better position after that year. Steph's team always ended up in a better position after he was off the teamm (granted there may be extenuating circumstances in his case leading me back to he may be the unluckiest player in the world).

or maybe it is just possible that Steph is the Shareef Abdur Rahim of the backcourt and he puts up good numbers on horrible teams that never win.

[Edited by - joec32033 on 04-24-2006 3:53 PM]
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4/24/2006  3:57 PM
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by crzymdups:

There's calling out your players, which is fine. But there's also a thing called playing to your strengths and trying to hide your players' weaknesses with complimentary players. The latter part is all on Zeke, the former is all on Larry.

It's a mess all around and it's really getting tired having people try to blame one person or the other. Both Isiah and Larry are at fault and we have to hope they fix it, because apparently Dolan is pleased as peaches.

I think the guys that are brown supporters are just as stubborn as brown. They don't want to sat anything or hear anything except that the players this and isiah that.

I think its everyones fault but I'm just sick of seeing guys base all their argument on the fact the coach is Larry brown. That is just blind faith.

Blind faith is having faith without any proof of success.....Blind faith describes the guys that ride Steph's jock and saying he isn't at fault for anything, when history proves that his teams lose with him. SO either he actually is the unluckiest player the world has ever seen or he is just a cancer. Agreeing with everything that Brown has done may be overzealousness, but at least Brown has the credibility of winning to back it up.

Look, like I posted before, If some guys are gonna write off Larry's history, you have to write off Steph's. No wins for Brown no stats for Steph. Now starting at point blank, no past history shown, compare the job the 2 did this season. Both sucked. And using this theory, both should be gone.

Now if the argument is Steph averages 20 and 8 for his career, then cool, you have to take LB's past into effect to and that proves that he has won, Steph hasn't.

You can't say Steph has averaged 20 and 8 for his entire career and then write off LB's past as not relevant. That is a flawed one sided argument. And if you DO want to use the past, use the whole past. Steph averaged 20 and 8 and didn't win. Larry had some horrible teams the first year he coached any given team, but they always ended up in a better position after that year. Steph's team always ended up in a better position after he was off the teamm (granted there may be extenuating circumstances in his case leading me back to he may be the unluckiest player in the world).

or maybe it is just possible that Steph is the Shareef Abdur Rahim of the backcourt and he puts up good numbers on horrible teams that never win.

[Edited by - joec32033 on 04-24-2006 3:53 PM]

sounds crazy enough...so crazy it just might work!!!
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4/24/2006  4:23 PM
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by crzymdups:

There's calling out your players, which is fine. But there's also a thing called playing to your strengths and trying to hide your players' weaknesses with complimentary players. The latter part is all on Zeke, the former is all on Larry.

It's a mess all around and it's really getting tired having people try to blame one person or the other. Both Isiah and Larry are at fault and we have to hope they fix it, because apparently Dolan is pleased as peaches.

I think the guys that are brown supporters are just as stubborn as brown. They don't want to sat anything or hear anything except that the players this and isiah that.

I think its everyones fault but I'm just sick of seeing guys base all their argument on the fact the coach is Larry brown. That is just blind faith.
I'm not a LB supporter. All I'm saying is if we get a new coach with these players that we will continue to suck. If thats your definition of supporting LB than so be it.

Show me one post from a LB supported that says he did a good job this season. The only positive thing I have said about him is I liked how he worked in the young guys. Rather then giving them 8-10 minutes a night each guy got at least a handfull of games where they played starter type minutes. I bitched and moaned last year that we never gave Ariza or Sweetney just a handfull of games where we ran them out there and saw what they could do for 30 minutes a night. I think we have seen that from Frye, Nate, Lee, Butler and QWoods.

Aside from that LB has done a sh!t job and everyone knows it. If LB gets sacked will it help? I say no. The same problems seem to follow MArbury, Francis, Jalen, Mo Taylor and JJ to each team they have been on. Hell.. add Curry and Crawford to that list as well.

I say that the problem starts and finishes with these players and nothing will change until these players do. I also say for all his shortcomings Larry Brown has a very strong track record. Truth is I guess I've supported every coach since JVG left.

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4/24/2006  5:57 PM
Lots of fluffy posts.

Still whatever brown did before doesn't matter to me because he didn't do what he did in the past. Brown is a super jerk but he always has been adaptable and made the best out of what he had. To say he did that is just a lie.

No one hear is saying steph is the man. Brown has attack that cat to no end. When marbs speaks up he gets cruxified.

Its a stupid debate cuz brown supporters wanna talk about what he did before he got here. The brown that is here now did not coach the way he has in the past.

Change has to be made and regardless of who is leading but all this player blame is unwarrented especially when brown did not coach the way he is known for. You simple can't give one a free pass just because and then condemn the other.

Nothing from the past can explain the bull**** that went down this year.

Isiah needs to make a last stand and work closely with brown to get players brown feels play the way he likes. Brown needs to shut up and just coach like his track record. After that we all can shut the f up!
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4/24/2006  5:57 PM
Lots of fluffy posts.

Still whatever brown did before doesn't matter to me because he didn't do what he did in the past. Brown is a super jerk but he always has been adaptable and made the best out of what he had. To say he did that is just a lie.

No one hear is saying steph is the man. Brown has attack that cat to no end. When marbs speaks up he gets cruxified.

Its a stupid debate cuz brown supporters wanna talk about what he did before he got here. The brown that is here now did not coach the way he has in the past.

Change has to be made and regardless of who is leading but all this player blame is unwarrented especially when brown did not coach the way he is known for. You simple can't give one a free pass just because and then condemn the other.

Nothing from the past can explain the bull**** that went down this year.

Isiah needs to make a last stand and work closely with brown to get players brown feels play the way he likes. Brown needs to shut up and just coach like his track record. After that we all can shut the f up!
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4/24/2006  6:06 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

Lots of fluffy posts.

Still whatever brown did before doesn't matter to me because he didn't do what he did in the past. Brown is a super jerk but he always has been adaptable and made the best out of what he had. To say he did that is just a lie.

No one hear is saying steph is the man. Brown has attack that cat to no end. When marbs speaks up he gets cruxified.

Its a stupid debate cuz brown supporters wanna talk about what he did before he got here. The brown that is here now did not coach the way he has in the past.

Change has to be made and regardless of who is leading but all this player blame is unwarrented especially when brown did not coach the way he is known for. You simple can't give one a free pass just because and then condemn the other.

Nothing from the past can explain the bull**** that went down this year.

Isiah needs to make a last stand and work closely with brown to get players brown feels play the way he likes. Brown needs to shut up and just coach like his track record. After that we all can shut the f up!

Other than the fact that you said nothing about Stephon being an absolute cancer and not trying to actually help the team this year, I can say I agree with you.
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4/24/2006  6:24 PM
Bazooka! You know I would not care if marbs was traded.

Yeah marbs is a cancer. If marbs is a cancer then brown is full blown AIDS!
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4/24/2006  7:09 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

Bazooka! You know I would not care if marbs was traded.

Yeah marbs is a cancer. If marbs is a cancer then brown is full blown AIDS!

Brown is like getting bit by a radioactive spider-it hurts a little at first, but the you become Spiderman afterwards....Steph is like getting run over by a steam roller.
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