Success Mills had. Sure, he is a "has been"

Anderson was know for his D and still is. Shandon is only 26 y/o. His finishing is the best part of his game. He is fearless going to the hoop. he finally found his rythym toward the end of the years. Knicks have enough shooting. We need to get out on the break and improve our transition game. Shandon is a great rebounder for his size. And has great hands.

The reason why lazlayden hasn't done that deal is because we don't need C.Mills,He's trying to go after Foyle or Dampier.With the D.Fortson deal.So it will be Ward,Knight,Harrington for Fortson and Dampier.We proberly have to throw in a 2nd round draft pick.And don't dream on a Nick van or Damon S,coming to NYC because MR.Dolan doesn't want another high price player coming to NY.Thats the reason why he turn down on D.Motombo.

Stoud plays 35 min a game. Anderson only played like 15-18min. If you want to get so specific Spree only averaged 4.

I'm not all to thrilled about Mills but he'd be an upgrade in talent in the suggested trade. If Layden is trying to replace Mills for Dampier or Foyle then all the better.

What I like about this trade is Danny "big @ss" Fortson (that's really his nickname), this guy really wants to be a knick.

He said so last year and he was very clear about it awhile back taht he would like to be a knick when the trade rumor of CC rider for Fortson was on the table.

If it would be the only move left it would be a so so move, but this trade would give the green light to trading one of the other PF's Othella, KT and/or Spoon.

This trade is just such an improvement talent-wise for New York. Layden better not be the one holding up this deal. I don't care if our frontcourt would be small with McDyess, Fortson, and Sprewell. They're a talented, tough, and athletic group that will put the Knicks in contention in the east. With Houston and maybe a good starting point guard(through a trade involving Thomas) i think it makes us the most talented team in the east. I like Fortson because he's one of the best rebounders and blue-collar workers in the league and though he demands a starting spot, he will not demand a lot of shots and doesn't need more than 30 minutes a game to get done what he does best. As for Mills he's an excellent spot-up shooter(something Anderson isn't), can rebound, and plays very solid defense. This trade is a no-brainer for so many reasons.

[Edited by - knixkik on 09/03/2002 17:28:03]

all fair points, part of the reason GS would short themselves on such a deal. Spoon is moveable, albeit for a bad player

Cartwright, Scott Williams, Longley. I think they had centers.

i also read in a mag somewhere.. probably stuff magazine, where a bunch of players who played him, talk about his determination to get a rebound. they all say he is relentless on the boards and made a few references to rodman. we really dont lose anything in this trade, so i dont know why layden hasnt pulled the trigger. the only thing is fortson's contract, but i think that mills contract makes up for that.

I agree, talent is much more important then height. The trade is a no-brainer. He's a great rebounder, Mills is a proven quantity and adds height at SF. Ward is a back-up PG who will start, Knight is awful. What's the holdup?

This deal has definitely been offered. three days in a row on ESPN's frontpage-identifying the players and the technicalities in wards contrcat etc.. Of course they may try to BS and say HUH? what deal but this is a clear cut one. Golden State leaked it so if the Knicks BY pass some other team will get into the mix and they evantually will. This is a no-bariner trade. It gives us so many more options just by increasing the talent level and taking on a 5.5mm dollar player in the last year of his contract. we would have to wait three months if we eventually wanted to move him or he may just be a perfect fit for our bench


anyways these people crying for Erick Dampier Calvin Booth and Adonal foyle are the same guys who dont want this trade. They dont understand basketball and what heart and talent mean. Maybe the knicks make the deal and stay patient--possibly AVOIDING Nick van exel and his 50mm$ contract and find a better solution and or a high caliber talent upgrade that involves youth. We need to be patient looking for a center--if we lunge at any deal with long term effects for a marginal player just to fill a hole for this season would be irrationale and we have to many contrcats like that. Let trades come to us or come in with trades like Thomas and othella for armstrong and miller. We wont find out if we can swing a trade like that without Forston. If we trade Thomas and ward for NVE and no other deal Im sticking to my prediction of 28-35 wins. The reason why i think the other trade immediately makes us a playoff contender is
A. you are bring ing in a ton of rebounding and space eating in a nasty 26 year old kid for nothing
B. you are adding offensive bench play and a guy who matches up better defensively
C. You open yourself up to be able to move another player maybe not thomas maybe just harrington--who knows? or you just stay as is and dump spoon to a team looking for rebounding for a contract that expires sooner.

Posted by BRIGGS:

They dont understand basketball and what heart and talent mean. Maybe the knicks make the deal and stay patient--possibly AVOIDING Nick van exel and his 50mm$ contract and find a better solution and or a high caliber talent upgrade that involves youth. We need to be patient looking for a center--if we lunge at any deal with long term effects for a marginal player just to fill a hole for this season would be irrationale and we have to many contrcats like that. Let trades come to us or come in with trades like Thomas and othella for armstrong and miller. We wont find out if we can swing a trade like that without Forston.

so what you're saying is trade ward and knight to gs for fortson and mills and trade thomas and harrington to orlando for armstrong and miller, so the lineup looks like this.

c-dice, doleac
pf-fortson, spoon
sf-spree,anderson,miller,mills
sg-houston,postell
pg-armstrong,eisley,williams

as compared to the current lineup of

c-thomas,doleac,knight
pf-dice,spoon,harrington
sf-spree,anderson
sg-houston,postell
pg-eisley,ward,williams

fortson put up good numbers on a bad team, plenty of players do that. where do you find minutes for all of the swingmen that you would acquire? this deal only helps gs get under the cap and helps to sure up orlando's bigger body issues. i don't see how the knicks get better or clear cap.

i guess i don't understand basketball.