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Puting together reasonable Starbury to Minnesota deals--make your best one within reason
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TMS
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3/27/2006  3:46 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

but our F GM is to stupid to think of something like this he just wants to somehow pay al harrington 90mm$ trade for the gimp kenyon martin and his 70mm and keep all of our great stuff

throw bad money at bad money

when both those guys are playing on Allstar teams, i want you to remember what you just said... oh that's right... you want Carlos Boozer... a wise investment in a durable guy making reasonable dollars... oh wait, he's coming off an injury & he's got a ridiculously huge contract in his own right.
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3/27/2006  3:48 PM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by bobs3304:

Uhh, Harrington a good defender?


Since when exactly...

harrington is not a bad defender, plus we need to remember the guy is just 25, his best years are way ahead of him, he is not my favorite, but al can ball.....


thank you... to hear some of these jokers talk about the guy you'd think he was a horrible basketball player.
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3/27/2006  4:07 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by BRIGGS:

but our F GM is to stupid to think of something like this he just wants to somehow pay al harrington 90mm$ trade for the gimp kenyon martin and his 70mm and keep all of our great stuff

throw bad money at bad money

when both those guys are playing on Allstar teams, i want you to remember what you just said... oh that's right... you want Carlos Boozer... a wise investment in a durable guy making reasonable dollars... oh wait, he's coming off an injury & he's got a ridiculously huge contract in his own right.


I dont want Kenyon because hes overpaid and permanently gimped. I dont see the need for Al Harrington, I dont think thats the wise way to go. Carlos Boozer is 24 and an elite level player in this league. He is rugged powerful and while he had some injury issues, they arent injuries that would prevent him from playing at the level he is now for a long time. Boozer could average 23-24-10 in this league. If they do go the vet route,, he would be my number 1 target. I dont see anyway to get Boozer, but thats another story.

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3/27/2006  4:14 PM
i'll give u a nod on KMart... i don't mind taking a chance on him but i can sure understand why others wouldn't want a repeat of the McDyess fiasco... but Harrington? he's a year older than Boozer & putting up better offensive #'s... it's fine that you prefer Boozer the banger to a perimeter player like Harrington... i wouldn't mind 1 bit going after Boozer either... he's a talented young player in his own right... but the way i hear you talk about Harrington it's as if you think he's garbage... i don't understand that at all... every year he's been in the league the kid has shown nothing but steady improvement... & he'd give other teams nightmares trying to match up w/him playing out of the 3 spot because he's got the size, athleticism & strength to take players down low & shoots well from the outside too... he'd be a HUGE improvement over anything we have right now at the SF position.
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3/27/2006  4:15 PM
Boozer is a lousy defender and is pretty unathletic. Elton Brand is an elite player. Boozer isnt in that territory. Boozer isnt even in Zach Randolph territory (yet). You want Boozer? Please... I bet my left nut Mo Taylor's expiring deal and David Lee gets it done on the first try.
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3/27/2006  8:11 PM
Posted by bobs3304:



Starting lineup of:

Curry, K-Mart, Lee, Hassell, Crawford

Bench:

Nate, Frye, Butler, Jaric, Malik

No way this team gets better with Crawford as the point.. HE CAn't play PG.. If that's the case, i rather have MArbury as Point.. Crawford is suited as a sixth man as well, not starter.

[Edited by - WOODMANnYk on 03-27-2006 8:14 PM]
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3/27/2006  8:18 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by fishmike:

I'm not farting for Sota unless I get Banks back. To me thats the whole point of this discussion.

thought the point of trading Steph was to remove a cancer

Banks is a cancer?

I'm talking solely about Steph. I'm of the opinion whether Banks is in the deal or not if Minny takes him we ship him. Seems fishmike wants Banks or no deal...I could be misreading him.
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3/27/2006  8:20 PM
Posted by WOODMANnYk:
Posted by bobs3304:



Starting lineup of:

Curry, K-Mart, Lee, Hassell, Crawford

Bench:

Nate, Frye, Butler, Jaric, Malik

No way this team gets better with Crawford as the point.. HE CAn't play PG.. If that's the case, i rather have MArbury as Point.. Crawford is suited as a sixth man as well, not starter.

[Edited by - WOODMANnYk on 03-27-2006 8:14 PM]


It's better than what we have now.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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3/27/2006  8:35 PM
Posted by bobs3304:
Posted by WOODMANnYk:
Posted by bobs3304:



Starting lineup of:

Curry, K-Mart, Lee, Hassell, Crawford

Bench:

Nate, Frye, Butler, Jaric, Malik

No way this team gets better with Crawford as the point.. HE CAn't play PG.. If that's the case, i rather have MArbury as Point.. Crawford is suited as a sixth man as well, not starter.

[Edited by - WOODMANnYk on 03-27-2006 8:14 PM]


It's better than what we have now.

Watching games over the last 2mos, the knicks are on the negative side in points against thier opponent when Crawford is running the point but in the + side when Marbury runs the point.. you can check out the statistics, it's there.. Also when crawford starts pg for Knicks , they are something like 0-8...

He was doing a terrible job running point for the bulls and was forced to play off the bench... He doesn't have a point guard mentality and lacks decision making on the floor.. Plus, he shoots too much and poor shot selection to run the point..

As point guard , can't make the players on the court better..


[Edited by - WOODMANnYk on 03-27-2006 8:36 PM]
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3/27/2006  8:43 PM
i dont disagree with you.


but again....as a fan......its better than having the 2 stooges.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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3/27/2006  8:48 PM
i'm not all that impressed w/Marcus Banks... i'd much rather have Mike James, who plays a harder nosed defensive style game, & has that Assassin's mentality to drive the dagger into the other team's heart when the team needs a big basket... we need more players like that on this team... Jamal can't bring that every night in the 4th quarter.
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3/27/2006  9:00 PM
Larry said it... I would trade talent for gritty hardnosed players who play with passion @ all times..

Half the roster on this team don't have that.. Watch during the offseason how this roster becomes a makeover for players that fit LArry's bill.. NO Softee!!!

One thing about Francis.. He has that swagger in him and rebounds well for a guard.. LArry likes rebounders..

He's(Francis) an arrogant fierce competitor.. He might be part of LArry's team next season..

[Edited by - WOODMANnYk on 03-27-2006 9:01 PM]
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3/27/2006  9:12 PM
^ Ya, thats true.


But I hate Francis so much. I think his people should put out a restraining order on me. B/c I swear, if I see 1 more pass go flying 10 feet out of bounds, I'm gonna stalk his black ass.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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3/27/2006  9:55 PM
fierce competitor
I wonder if the people in Orlando, who have seen much more of him than we have, would I agree. I highly doubt it
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3/27/2006  11:26 PM
I know marbury is not well liked and there are a lot of rumors swirling around. I have heard about him going to dallas, atlanta and Minnesotta. But there is one trade which I love. I don't know if Charlotte would do it, but, Stephon Marbury, Jackie Butler, Q1 and SA's #1 (or den's #1 if needed) for Brevin Knight, Gerald Wallace, and Melvin Ely or Voshkul (whichever Charlotte would rather trade).
This trade should wourk under the trade checker, I added up the numbers and I am pretty sure it is good under the cap and junk.
Our Starting Lineup
Center- Eddy Curry
Power Foward- Channing Frye
Small Foward- Gerald Wallace
Shooting Guard- Steve Francis
Poing Guard- Brevin Knight

I think this lineup would be perfect on offense and defense. Brevin Knight is a great perimeter defender and a pass first point guard who does not shoot a lot and still gets 12ppg. Francis is the scorer on the team, and will take most the shots, and will cover the less talented offensive guard. Gerald Wallace is a superfreak athelete who will shut down some of the elite players, and is a great defender, inside and out. He also can score because he is so atheletic, he has a OK jumper, but is a great finisher from what I have seen. He also is a good rebounder, in other words, he fills up the stat sheet. I see Frye getting the majority of the rebounds, and scoring around 12-15 ppg while grabbing about 8-9 a game. May god Help the Knicks and let Eddy Curry develop into a 18ppg and 10rpg player, but i doubt it will be next year, and i expect his numbers to be about 15ppg and 7rpg.

But, Why would Charlotte do this?
1. Raymond Felton is their future Point Guard and him and knight are both about 5'11 i believe, they won't be on the court on the same time
2. They need a person who can acutually score 20 ppg, which is Marbury's numbers through his career. He is also just big enough to be a undersized shooting guard.
3. Q-rich will replace Wallace at SF
4. Butler could become the starting PF, Primoz has basically no job security
5. They get the DRAFT PICK.

What's Defense?
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3/27/2006  11:42 PM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by bobs3304:

Uhh, Harrington a good defender?


Since when exactly...

harrington is not a bad defender, plus we need to remember the guy is just 25, his best years are way ahead of him, he is not my favorite, but al can ball.....



He's just 25 and his best years are way ahead of him?

Hmmm, that sounds familiar. Where have I heard that before? Curry? No, he's younger than 25. Crawford? Yea, I think that's where I heard it before.
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3/27/2006  11:51 PM
Haha.

G. Wallace has more value on the open market than Steph does right now.

DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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3/28/2006  12:18 AM
I honestly can't care less who we get in return as long as we ship Marbury out of town without any of our young players. This will be the biggest addition by substraction EVER.
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3/28/2006  7:56 AM
Yes, we played awesome when he got injured...

[Edited by - DarkKnicks on 03-28-2006 07:56 AM]
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3/28/2006  8:09 AM
If I'm gonna try to jettison Steph to Minny and have to take all the crap back, I'd want to at least dump Jerome James on them.

Something like:

Marbury, James, Nate Robinson
for
Hudson, Blount, Griffin, Hassell, McCants

Trade ID: 3024326.

Then see if you could buy out Hassell and/or Blount.

Puting together reasonable Starbury to Minnesota deals--make your best one within reason

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