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3/25/2006  10:22 AM
Posted by McK1:

see you skipped the other questions concerning Frye's board work. As for the better by far comment, to me its not so clear cut. Wilcox may never score as much as Frye, but Chris IMO has more court presence AND you don't have to forcefeed paint play to him.


chris wilcox line last night 13 points 3 rebounds...

gets schooled by reggie evans 22/9... evans dropped 22 on you? geez..
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3/25/2006  10:30 AM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by McK1:

see you skipped the other questions concerning Frye's board work. As for the better by far comment, to me its not so clear cut. Wilcox may never score as much as Frye, but Chris IMO has more court presence AND you don't have to forcefeed paint play to him.


chris wilcox line last night 13 points 3 rebounds...

gets schooled by reggie evans 22/9... evans dropped 22 on you? geez..

was he guarding Evans?

seems he was in foul trouble last night and got only 22 minutes same as Elson who started at 4. geez!

& Let Frye get 13 points in 22 minutes on 6-8 shooting in a competitve game and they'll be a parade and beers across Knick sites like its Cinco de Mayo.
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3/25/2006  10:51 AM
Larry is already hinting Frye may not be next years starter.
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3/25/2006  10:54 AM
Posted by McK1:

Larry is already hinting Frye may not be next years starter.

What did Larry say?
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3/25/2006  11:16 AM
Posted by simrud:

Ahm, why not look up stats before sayin Wilcos can rebound.

In 15 games with the Sonics, he's averaging 14.1 and 7.2, he can rebound.
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3/25/2006  11:40 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by simrud:

Ahm, why not look up stats before sayin Wilcos can rebound.

In 15 games with the Sonics, he's averaging 14.1 and 7.2, he can rebound.

So basically comparable #s in year 4 to what Frye was doing when starting in year 1?
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3/25/2006  11:43 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by simrud:

Ahm, why not look up stats before sayin Wilcos can rebound.

In 15 games with the Sonics, he's averaging 14.1 and 7.2, he can rebound.

So basically comparable #s in year 4 to what Frye was doing when starting in year 1?

NO.
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3/25/2006  11:47 AM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by simrud:

Ahm, why not look up stats before sayin Wilcos can rebound.

In 15 games with the Sonics, he's averaging 14.1 and 7.2, he can rebound.

So basically comparable #s in year 4 to what Frye was doing when starting in year 1?

NO.
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3/25/2006  11:50 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by simrud:

Ahm, why not look up stats before sayin Wilcos can rebound.

In 15 games with the Sonics, he's averaging 14.1 and 7.2, he can rebound.

So basically comparable #s in year 4 to what Frye was doing when starting in year 1?

If your going to just go by stats that I have provided then fine, thats your perrogative. Watch Chris Wilcox play, most people probably haven't seen him that much, I saw him in college where he was a excellent rebounder and shotblocker. The guy wasn't going to get a huge amount of playing time in LA behind Elton Brand but like I said before, Wilcox does 2 things that Frye doesnt; score inside and rebound. Personally, I'd take that over what Frye brings.
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3/25/2006  12:18 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by simrud:

Ahm, why not look up stats before sayin Wilcos can rebound.

In 15 games with the Sonics, he's averaging 14.1 and 7.2, he can rebound.

So basically comparable #s in year 4 to what Frye was doing when starting in year 1?

If your going to just go by stats that I have provided then fine, thats your perrogative. Watch Chris Wilcox play, most people probably haven't seen him that much, I saw him in college where he was a excellent rebounder and shotblocker. The guy wasn't going to get a huge amount of playing time in LA behind Elton Brand but like I said before, Wilcox does 2 things that Frye doesnt; score inside and rebound. Personally, I'd take that over what Frye brings.
My perrogative isn't to go by stats. Your previous post mentioned *nothing but stats*; no doubt Wilcos has a had a great stretch and I'd love to have him on this team. However, I'd be disappointed if by year FOUR, Frye is playing only at the level Wilcox is briefly playing at now.



[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 03-25-2006 12:19 PM]
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3/25/2006  12:40 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:


My perrogative isn't to go by stats. Your previous post mentioned *nothing but stats*; no doubt Wilcos has a had a great stretch and I'd love to have him on this team. However, I'd be disappointed if by year FOUR, Frye is playing only at the level Wilcox is briefly playing at now.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 03-25-2006 12:19 PM]

why? its not about Frye vs Wilcox its about Curry. Specifically what kind of four do you stick next to Curry to maximize his court presence.

If Curry had game down there, then the argument of Frye's shooting opening up things for him is more understandable but he doesn't. Curry's best play is finishing off the attention others draw. Thats why he and AD were a better pairing than Frye and Curry. AD can play inside and score down there. Wilcox is in the AD mold.

On the other end he will do what Curry and Frye don't which is box out and track down the ball once it goes up.
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3/25/2006  2:12 PM
Posted by tkf:

MCK1: what is it with you man? first you hype smuch parker, then brayn cooke, then ridnour who is losing time to earl watson, and now wilcox? listen wilcox has been in the league 4 years now I think, all of these things you say he does, he has never done them before. He is playing hard for a contract, but that is OK, I watched a lot of him with the clippers and I know the last game vs the clippers this year, frye was manhandling wilcox to the point where he had sam casell screaming at him off the bench....

Listening to you talk abour wilcox and ridnour, you would think you had the next stockton and malone.... geez...

Don't forget Kwame Brown, Andrew Bynum. At least McK1 puts himself on the line unlike others who rant but when asked about alternatives always defer to others. I just seriously disagree with the Wilcox vs Frye thing.
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3/25/2006  2:20 PM
can someone make an official draft thread?

this way we wont have a thread for every player?
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3/25/2006  7:37 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
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Posted by Elite:

wow wilcox???????/ for frye??????? u r crazy.. wilcox iant that good

Wilcox v Frye debatable.

Wilcox & the lottery pick >>>>> Frye.

Please debate Wilcox versus Frye. Please. One guy has already had multiple 30 points games in his rookie year in a week while the other guy first came 2 days ago in his 4th season. Who has a whole 5 game success in his 4th year and people are like I told you so. Please debate this one.


multiple? he has 2. Delk once scored 50 in a game.

more to this game than being able to score.

So why is Wilcox so great now, he has 1 in a 4 year career?? Please debate, how a guy who has been in the NBA 4 years is more promising than a rookie has outbeat in every career category under a coach who doesn't like to play rookies. If that's the case save the debate until Frye's 4th year.


to be fair, Wilcox came out as a sophomore & Frye finished his senior season at Arizona... obviously he's going to be more polished & ready for the NBA... i think both players have good upside, but i'm not fully convinced that Wilcox has the same drive to be great that Channing has... i think that's what separates the 2, & why i would rather have Frye than Wilcox at this point
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3/25/2006  7:39 PM
Posted by McK1:

Wilcox is a glue player in the frontcourt. He knows how to cut, he knows how to screen, he knows how to create passing and driving angles for guards. He knows how to run a break and get to the front of the rim in transition - the little things that AD did in Chi that made Curry and those guards a better executing group last season.

With Curry at 5, Frye becomes redundant. Don't need a guy who can only impact the game through shot attempts next to a guy who can only impact the game through shot attempts.

on the other side of the ball:

Wilcox defensive rebounds from one side of the rim to the other. Frye gets the ones that fall to him.

Wilcox can guard the 4 and 5. Frye can't guard anything.

And as for raw stats, check out Wilcox' numbers anytime Brand or Kaman was out and he got the start at pf or center.

continuing the stat rant: Wilcox last 2 games for Seattle 16 & 19, 30 & 14. Frye's career high in boards is what? Frye has how many double-doubles? any back to back?

not quite sure how having Curry at the 5 makes Frye redundant... Frye's a terrific perimeter shooter & he can stretch the defense... Wilcox doesn't have the polished offensive game that Frye has... he gets most of his points on putbacks, running the floor in transition, & getting to the foul line... if anything, Curry would make Wilcox redundant.
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3/25/2006  7:44 PM
who gives a rats ass about more draft picks.

How young of team do you want, Is anybody paying attention, or is that your just not getting it.
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3/25/2006  7:48 PM
a nice complement would be to somehow move up to get Tyrus Thomas & put him at the 3 while playing Frye at the 4 & Q Rich at the 2... you'd have an excellent rebounding team & one that plays w/heart & energy every night.
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3/25/2006  7:49 PM
there is no way we get tyrus thomas. when all is said and done, he may go top 2, if not #1 overall. dude is proving to be an absolute defensive monster. MONSTER.
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3/25/2006  7:52 PM
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