Posted by Pharzeone:

Posted by djsunyc:

if steph bought in from day one, the season would be completely different. if he bought in from day one, he would've been the leader of the team. but he didn't...and it got worse as the season went along.

it was in his hands. now it may be too late to salvage anything in ny. lb asked for a vet pg back in november for a reason. he knew steph wasn't on board and the legacy of the 05/06 knicks season will be steph vs. lb

and it's a shame.

Highly debateable that he didn't buy into his system. He shows up to non-mandatory practice and workouts with the new guys. Problem is as I stated in other places, Brown has as much and more to with the state of the Knicks. Don't know what Marbury has to do with James not being game shape, don't know what Marbury has to with Nate not knowing where the shot clock was, was it Marbury's fault that Q took half season to get himself ready to play basketball, that Curry's takes large chunks of mins off, that Brown has an issue with younger players, that Brown isn't after 7 months quite sure what lineup he wants to use. If Marbury has to run Brown's team for him then hell WTF do the Knicks need Larry Brown. For inspiration. All I needed to know about Brown and his tenture as the Knicks head coach was said by AD, ironic. The guy gets paid $8 million a year, what to tell Steph he should make the other guys follow what he says. Brown is a noteable trouble soul. He has a 30 year history of issues in other places just like Marbury. To me this is no different when the Knicks try to replace Riley with Nelson. Great name, HOF type of coach and all but he is no Riley.

Posted by McK1:

Posted by holfresh:




Ok...makes no sense huh....Watch next year when you new point guard unable to penetrade and dish isn't getting easy baskets for Lee and Craw....Lets see how Larry responds with their playing time.

so in your estimation, there is no other point guard on the planet that can run the offense?


and the only way Crawford can get an open look or David Lee can get a dunk is if Stiph passes them the ball?


[Edited by - McK1 on 03-20-2006 7:14 PM]

[Edited by - McK1 on 03-20-2006 7:15 PM]

Posted by tkf:

Posted by Swishfm3:

I don't remember Marbury's leadership...attitude...body language and all this other nonsense being brought up last season.

you must not have read some of blue seats post over at realgm.. he was not the only one, people have been getting on marbury starting last year..

I only have time for one Knick site at a time

Posted by Pharzeone:

Posted by Nalod:

Posted by McK1:

Posted by Pharzeone:

To me this is no different when the Knicks try to replace Riley with Nelson. Great name, HOF type of coach and all but he is no Riley.

Nelson was here for how many games and what was NY's record with him?

ANd the lesson was............let ewing go and rebuld with yoot! But we sided with Ewing and got 1.5 good seasons more. That was it.

In that case we caved to the aging superstar.

Dumping Nellie was the wrong choice.

What lesson was that, Nelson wanted Starks to be the go to guy. Grunfeld and Checketts woke up from whatever haze they were in and got rid of Nelson. After Nelson left Ewing had a resurgence, he played some of his best basketball in 96-97. He got hurt was and wasn't the same but effective. Besides Nelson was getting $5 million to what tell Checketts and Grunfeld that they should rebuild. He came in with a we can win now attitude. You can't even put that on Brown, the guy doesn't care for rookies. So what is plan. Eric Snow, Tyrone Hill, what another run Mark Jackson.

Posted by Pharzeone:

Posted by Nalod:

Posted by McK1:

Posted by Pharzeone:

To me this is no different when the Knicks try to replace Riley with Nelson. Great name, HOF type of coach and all but he is no Riley.

Nelson was here for how many games and what was NY's record with him?

ANd the lesson was............let ewing go and rebuld with yoot! But we sided with Ewing and got 1.5 good seasons more. That was it.

In that case we caved to the aging superstar.

Dumping Nellie was the wrong choice.

What lesson was that, Nelson wanted Starks to be the go to guy. Grunfeld and Checketts woke up from whatever haze they were in and got rid of Nelson. After Nelson left Ewing had a resurgence, he played some of his best basketball in 96-97. He got hurt was and wasn't the same but effective. Besides Nelson was getting $5 million to what tell Checketts and Grunfeld that they should rebuild. He came in with a we can win now attitude. You can't even put that on Brown, the guy doesn't care for rookies. So what is plan. Eric Snow, Tyrone Hill, what another run Mark Jackson.

Posted by nixluva:

Holfresh you're wasting you're breath with these guys. They don't have a freakin CLUE what the truth is. They make claims about STeph's career without any real depth of knowledge about what really happened on his prior teams. They believe every negative article written saying his teammates didn't like playing with him and most of it is garbage. Its only been a very small group of players and most of them had NO GAME to begin with.

Anyone watching this team since Steph has been here should know that of any player we've had he comes to play EVERY NIGHT. Injury or not the man takes a pounding every night. Until his shoulder injury, Steph was doing everything LB wanted and more:

Jan. 2 - vs. Suns 32 pts -10 asts -5 reb - 1 stl
Jan. 6 - vs. Wiz 16 pts -11 asts -2 reb - 1 stl
Jan. 8 - vs Sonics 23 pts -15 asts -1 reb - 4 stl
Jan. 10 vs. Cavs 22 pts - 5 asts - 5 reb
Jan. 11 vs. Mavs 28 pts - 6 asts - 4 reb
Jan. 13 vs Hawks 19 pts - 9 asts - 5 reb - 4 stl
Jan. 15 vs. Raptors 18 pts - 13 asts - 3 reb - LOSS
Jan. 16 vs. TWolves 20 pts - 5 asts Shoulder Injury
Jan. 25 vs Kings 22 pts - 6 asts - 5 reb

What the HELL else could he have done. The only reason that stopped what his getting hurt. Yet people want to make it seem like the guy doesn't do anything to make players better. Its utter nonesense. The top players he's played with all had big seasons when they played with Steph. He's YET to play with a seasoned big man. KG was a Soph, 3rd and 4th year player and not yet as good as he was gonna be. Not to mention the team needed more help. KG waited how long, before he got some players decent enough to get out of the 1st rd. Kmart was a rookie coming off an injury, Amare was a rookie and he only played 18 games with him in his Soph. season. Now he has Curry and Frye who are both 22 and 23 yrs old. In Steph's entire career he's only once had an All Star SG and that was the broken down H2O.

Everytime Steph was replaced not only did they get an All Star guard to replace him, but in addition they got healthy AND added Free Agents and draft picks. No WONDER his teams got better after he left. Go back and look at the facts i've already done so. Anyone who'd like to dispute these things bring it on, cuz i've been debating this a lot lately.