Posted by simrud:

You know I can see how you might argue that this is not all Marbury's fault, but how can you argue that this is all Brown's fault and he should be fired?

I mean Marbury has had how many coaches before? And he always lost with them and was eventually traded. This is as simple as one guy havin a winnin record and the other one having an awful loosing record.

I'm sorry butI'm going with a proven winner over a proven looser. Guys like Marbury are a dime a zoen in the NBA. Baron Davis, Francis, all have been traded within the past few seasons for virtually nothing but expiring contracts.

A hall of fame coach, now those don't come around too often. Let's build a system that wins, get the players that don't fit out, whoever they are, Marbury or not, and go from there.

Why do you have to make so much sense?

Posted by simrud:

You know I can see how you might argue that this is not all Marbury's fault, but how can you argue that this is all Brown's fault and he should be fired?

I mean Marbury has had how many coaches before? And he always lost with them and was eventually traded. This is as simple as one guy havin a winnin record and the other one having an awful loosing record.

I'm sorry butI'm going with a proven winner over a proven looser. Guys like Marbury are a dime a zoen in the NBA. Baron Davis, Francis, all have been traded within the past few seasons for virtually nothing but expiring contracts.

A hall of fame coach, now those don't come around too often. Let's build a system that wins, get the players that don't fit out, whoever they are, Marbury or not, and go from there.

I'd agree if just Marbury were afected by this. ALL of the players are playing worse than previous seasons. Every player except the rooks are having worse seasons. Who is flourishing? Is Steph making them worse? I guess hes making himself worse as well.

Posted by eViL:

Posted by martin:

Posted by Armondaone:

While were on the point of LB i read in his statemnet about look at his track record. well his track record is not that great. I don't think he has ever turned a terrible team into a great team. the teams he did good with were already decent but he did put philly over the hump. I was also wondering about the AI always played to win injuries or healthy. now is he saying that steph's shoulder injury is a reason for the bad record we have. because i think it was a legit injury why steph was out.

eViL, can you post your post and clear up Larry's record. Someone missed it.

You got it, Martin. I had no idea this would be so useful:

Posted by eViL:


Exhibit A:

PLAYER 	               YRS       ACCOMPLISHMENTS
Jackie Butler 	        1        N/A (not enough experience)
Jamal Crawford 	        5        Zero
Eddy Curry 	        4        Zero
Steve Francis 	        6        Best player on mostly losing teams (Traded 3 times)
Channing Frye 	        R        N/A (not enough experience)
Jerome James 	        5        Zero
David Lee 	        R        N/A (not enough experience)
Stephon Marbury 	9        Best player on mostly losing teams (Traded 4 times)
Quentin Richardson 	5        A playoff series win with the Suns
Nate Robinson 	        R        N/A (not enough experience)
Jalen Rose 	        11       Significant contributer on some deep playoff teams (Traded 4 times)
Malik Rose 	        9        Role player on an NBA Championship Team
Maurice Taylor 	        7        Zero
Qyntel Woods 	        3        N/A (not enough experience)

Larry Brown's Achievements

    * 1973 Carolina Cougars: ABA Western Division regular season champions
    * 1976 Denver Nuggets: ABA regular season champions (single-division)
    * 1977 Denver Nuggets: NBA Midwest Division Champions
    * 1978 Denver Nuggets: NBA Midwest Division Champions
    * 1980 UCLA: NCAA Championship Game
    * 1986 Kansas: NCAA Final Four & Big Eight Conference Champions
    * 1988 Kansas: NCAA National Champions
    * 1990 San Antonio Spurs: NBA Midwest Division Champions
    * 1991 San Antonio Spurs: NBA Midwest Division Champions
    * 1995 Indiana Pacers: NBA Central Division Champions
    * 2001 Philadelphia 76ers: NBA Eastern Conference Champions
    * 2004 Detroit Pistons: NBA Champions
    * 2005 Detroit Pistons: NBA Eastern Conference Champions
    * College: 1 National Championship, 3 Final Fours in 7 seasons
    * Pro: 1 Championship, 3 Conference Championships, 10 Division Championships, 
      25 Playoff appearances in 26 seasons
    * 1,000 career NBA wins

Exhibit B:

Name                    Seasons         Playoff Appearances
Larry Brown             26              25

Jamal Crawford 	        5	        0
Eddy Curry 	        4	        0
Steve Francis 	        6	        1
Jerome James 	        5	        3
Stephon Marbury 	9	        4
Quentin Richardson 	5	        1
Jalen Rose 	        11	        5
Malik Rose 	        9	        8
Maurice Taylor 	        7	        1

Team Total              61              23

Maybe the loser players should have gotten DNP-CDs and the young guys with "N/A"s should have gotten a chance

Posted by Swishfm3:

I remember....NONE of the Detroit Pistons having anything positive (or negative) to say when Coach Brown was "let go" from the organization.

Posted by Silverfuel:

Posted by Swishfm3:

I remember....NONE of the Detroit Pistons having anything positive (or negative) to say when Coach Brown was "let go" from the organization.

Actually, what they were saying was that Brown got too much of the credit. I think I remember Billups and Rip say positive things about him. I cannot find a quote though. Not right now atleast.

Posted by TheSage:

I seem to reall the first meeting between the knicks and Det seemed to be a lovefest between LB and his former players. LB may use unconventional methods to push or motivate self centered, overpaid, spoiled brats who have been coddled, lauded and proteted because they are adept at bouncing a ball, jumping high, throwing a ball or because they run fast, jump high or are oversized however he ultimately gets results. I think 25 playoffs in 26 years speaks for itself.

Iverson may have had his problems with LB in the beginning however, as it turned out, the tattooed answer has a brain and the teachings of the guru sunk in. The relationship bore fruit beause he saw that the "old man" might just might have alittle bit of wisdom.

Starbury may be be the the most talented point guard in the least but without directing that talent to the team goals he certainly is not the best.

Either the infant from Brooklyn via Lincoln and GT makes a public apology and tows the line or he must go at any cost. The weight must be cast off so that the balloon can rise.

[Edited by - TheSage on 03-16-2006 1:10 PM]

AI has SAID that he is what he is because of Brown.

Posted by martin:

Posted by Swishfm3:

Posted by TheSage:

I seem to reall the first meeting between the knicks and Det seemed to be a lovefest between LB and his former players. LB may use unconventional methods to push or motivate self centered, overpaid, spoiled brats who have been coddled, lauded and proteted because they are adept at bouncing a ball, jumping high, throwing a ball or because they run fast, jump high or are oversized however he ultimately gets results. I think 25 playoffs in 26 years speaks for itself.

Iverson may have had his problems with LB in the beginning however, as it turned out, the tattooed answer has a brain and the teachings of the guru sunk in. The relationship bore fruit beause he saw that the "old man" might just might have alittle bit of wisdom.

Starbury may be be the the most talented point guard in the least but without directing that talent to the team goals he certainly is not the best.

Either the infant from Brooklyn via Lincoln and GT makes a public apology and tows the line or he must go at any cost. The weight must be cast off so that the balloon can rise.

[Edited by - TheSage on 03-16-2006 1:10 PM]

what in the world did Brown teach AI?? lol....AI has always been the same player. You make it seem that AI is the player he is today because of Brown...haha.

AI and Brown were at each others throat the whole time Brown was there......as a matter of fact...while Brown was there, there was rumors of AI being traded every season.

Practice?

how soon we forget

AI has SAID that he is what he is because of Brown.