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tkf
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3/15/2006  6:03 PM
I keep hearing suspend larry? for what? geez!!!
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3/15/2006  6:13 PM
the media is having a field day w/this one. we'll see who has the last laugh, wait till' were competitive in about 14-15yrs.
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3/15/2006  6:25 PM
Larry Brown has quit on this team -- at least by now, and maybe long ago. You don't run your players down in the media like that no matter what -- it hurts the team, in their trade value if not in their actual play. He did it to Ariza, made him worthless to the team, and ran him out of town for a guy we didn't need -- unless it was part of his plan to run Marbury out too. Stephon is far from perfect in this, and far from perfect as a player, and I'm not writing this to defend him. But it his job to play, and the coach's job to get the most out of his players, not get in stupid pissing matches with them. Do other coaches do this? I can't think of one right now. Brown has quit and is pitting his own reputation against his player's. He's preaching team but he's busy saving himself. We all know there's no 'I' in team, right? Well everything Larry's quoted on in that article is about 'I'.
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3/15/2006  6:29 PM
what a disgrace our franchise has turned into
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3/15/2006  6:29 PM
Posted by sbb30:

Larry Brown has quit on this team -- at least by now, and maybe long ago.

the dude has one hip and he's standing up arguing with refs and calling plays to the very last second of the game. he hasn't quit on the team.
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3/15/2006  6:39 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by sbb30:

Larry Brown has quit on this team -- at least by now, and maybe long ago.

the dude has one hip and he's standing up arguing with refs and calling plays to the very last second of the game. he hasn't quit on the team.
But Marbury argues with refs too! That's not much of a standard
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3/15/2006  6:41 PM
Posted by holfresh:

OK, Mart....Having watch the games...Have you not ever heard Breen say that this is the best he has seen Marbs play D in his career...And that Marbs can play D when he wants to?...Tell me you have never heard that....

don't you see that's EXACTLY what's so maddening about Stephon Marbury? the fact that IF HE WANTED to, he could play pretty good D... but the problem is, he doesn't want to... & what's even MORE maddening is, he had the gall to come out & say that he wasn't going to play the style of game that LB wanted him to play next year & would return to his old selfish "Starbury" style ball... now how can you blame Larry Brown for being frustrated by Steph's inconsistent effort on defense all year long when he goes & does things like this? a good defensive player isn't someone who plays good D when he feels like it... a good defender is one who plays good D every game night in & night out, no matter how bad the rest of his team is playing & no matter if he's hitting his shots that game or not.
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3/15/2006  6:46 PM
I said it when we traded for Stevie Franchise and I will say it again:

Steph is expendable now and possibly both of them are.

From what I have read the past few days I think it is pretty clear - Steph is on his way out the door. A couple other posters noticed the same thing. This relationship is now over, it just gets nasty right before someone leaves the house (in this case Steph) but we all know it is coming. He should be a man and get his trade value to solidify or increase because at this rate we wont get much back for him.

You know how ESPN loves this kind of stuff - last year it was T.O. this year its Steph. I just dont want to see the Knicks get nothing in return for him. As another poster said - I would love nothing more then to see him turn things around and turn the Knicks around too - but I just dont see it happening. This relationship is over and the sooner it is finished off, the better.
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3/15/2006  6:48 PM
Posted by sbb30:

Larry Brown has quit on this team -- at least by now, and maybe long ago. You don't run your players down in the media like that no matter what -- it hurts the team, in their trade value if not in their actual play. He did it to Ariza, made him worthless to the team, and ran him out of town for a guy we didn't need -- unless it was part of his plan to run Marbury out too. Stephon is far from perfect in this, and far from perfect as a player, and I'm not writing this to defend him. But it his job to play, and the coach's job to get the most out of his players, not get in stupid pissing matches with them. Do other coaches do this? I can't think of one right now. Brown has quit and is pitting his own reputation against his player's. He's preaching team but he's busy saving himself. We all know there's no 'I' in team, right? Well everything Larry's quoted on in that article is about 'I'.

You hit it on the head. I can't stand LB's double talk. He'll wax poetic for five minutes on how he doesn't have any good players, how they didn't give effort, how some don't have a "Head" as he put it, then at the end of all that....he'll slip in...But I need to coach better."

I don;t want to sound like I'm on Marbs side, because I was all for trading him way back in November, but he's right when he says that LB spends too much time ripping players in the papers. You can't talk to him one on one because it'll end up in the paper any way. LB is constantly preaching team, team, but then he turns around and rips his players in the media (Curry, Marbury, JJ, Ariza.) Whatever happened to what goes on in the lockeroom, stays in the lockeroom.

There is no way this collection of talent should only have 17 wins. Not saying thee a playoff team, but LB has done the worse coaching job in the NBA this yr.




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3/15/2006  6:49 PM
dude, stop confusing coaching "personality" with coaching "ability"

larry lame talks a good game but has yet displayed any ability to coach our knicks, period
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3/15/2006  6:52 PM
Hey, just sit back and enjoy the show guys! It ain't basketball, but it'll do until some actual basketball comes along.

Don't take it too seriously. This stuff is getting funny.
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3/15/2006  6:55 PM
I dont blame Marbury for striking back...if Brown can do it he can do it too
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3/15/2006  6:59 PM
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3/15/2006  7:09 PM
Marbury and Brown should get the suckers of the year award. The media goaded these two clowns way to easily.
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3/15/2006  7:20 PM
Posted by islesfan:

Why doesn't Isiah come out and support Marbury like the son that he's supposed to be to him? What, no kisses anymore?

Isiah is like that other blood sucking leech, Don King. He attaches himself to the flavor of the month until they're done and then he moves on to the next flavor. From Marbury to Nate to Frye and Curry. I wonder who it'll be this summer.


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3/15/2006  7:20 PM
Posted by holfresh:


I have to hand it to Larry tho....He has the ESPN poll saying the bad season is Steph's fault...


wow.

what about those x amount of games that he was out because of injury??
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3/15/2006  7:26 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by holfresh:

OK, Mart....Having watch the games...Have you not ever heard Breen say that this is the best he has seen Marbs play D in his career...And that Marbs can play D when he wants to?...Tell me you have never heard that....

don't you see that's EXACTLY what's so maddening about Stephon Marbury? the fact that IF HE WANTED to, he could play pretty good D... but the problem is, he doesn't want to... & what's even MORE maddening is, he had the gall to come out & say that he wasn't going to play the style of game that LB wanted him to play next year & would return to his old selfish "Starbury" style ball... now how can you blame Larry Brown for being frustrated by Steph's inconsistent effort on defense all year long when he goes & does things like this? a good defensive player isn't someone who plays good D when he feels like it... a good defender is one who plays good D every game night in & night out, no matter how bad the rest of his team is playing & no matter if he's hitting his shots that game or not.



Steph should be playing harder on D, I do agree, but for Larry to constantly berate the guy in the press, when Steph is not the problem with the team, is baffling to me...I can understand Steph frustration...Can you really say that Steph is the reason why the Knicks aren't winning..Larry is suggesting that much....
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3/15/2006  7:54 PM
Posted by holfresh:
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Posted by FrenchKnicks:

How is it possible not to hate Stephon?

Because he is the only one on this team you can count on bringing it every night...

er, Marb maybe brings it on the O end every night, except maybe that Orlando game where he went 0-9, but he he has brought it about once or twice on the D end of things. I'm talking about all game long, not just for 5 minutes.



He has brought it on D on many occasions but not every night as you say...but the haters won't even grant him that....


Many occasions? Dude you must be watching different games than the rest of us. How about this... in the last 5 games, who has he stopped?



OK, Mart....Having watch the games...Have you not ever heard Breen say that this is the best he has seen Marbs play D in his career...And that Marbs can play D when he wants to?...Tell me you have never heard that....

Breen said it so it must be.

Marbs CAN play D when he wants to, but that's the catch. When has he wanted to? Once for a quarter out of 10 games? Against an aging and herniated Grant Hill? Defense is effort man and you got to do it every minute of every game.
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3/15/2006  9:02 PM
Posted by holfresh:
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Posted by holfresh:

OK, Mart....Having watch the games...Have you not ever heard Breen say that this is the best he has seen Marbs play D in his career...And that Marbs can play D when he wants to?...Tell me you have never heard that....

don't you see that's EXACTLY what's so maddening about Stephon Marbury? the fact that IF HE WANTED to, he could play pretty good D... but the problem is, he doesn't want to... & what's even MORE maddening is, he had the gall to come out & say that he wasn't going to play the style of game that LB wanted him to play next year & would return to his old selfish "Starbury" style ball... now how can you blame Larry Brown for being frustrated by Steph's inconsistent effort on defense all year long when he goes & does things like this? a good defensive player isn't someone who plays good D when he feels like it... a good defender is one who plays good D every game night in & night out, no matter how bad the rest of his team is playing & no matter if he's hitting his shots that game or not.



Steph should be playing harder on D, I do agree, but for Larry to constantly berate the guy in the press, when Steph is not the problem with the team, is baffling to me...I can understand Steph frustration...Can you really say that Steph is the reason why the Knicks aren't winning..Larry is suggesting that much....


some of LB's coming out in the media has been overdone, i agree, but when Steph plays well i always hear LB point out that much to the media as well (& by "well" i'm not just saying accumulating stats like in the DEN game while not getting the rest of your teammates involved)... LB's been around this game long enough to know what winning basketball is all about... he just wants Steph to buy into that style & to stop thinking about living up to some ridiculous "Starbury the best PG in the NBA" image that he has in his own head, because that's not what makes great teams great.
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3/15/2006  9:06 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by martin:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by martin:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by FrenchKnicks:

How is it possible not to hate Stephon?

Because he is the only one on this team you can count on bringing it every night...

er, Marb maybe brings it on the O end every night, except maybe that Orlando game where he went 0-9, but he he has brought it about once or twice on the D end of things. I'm talking about all game long, not just for 5 minutes.



He has brought it on D on many occasions but not every night as you say...but the haters won't even grant him that....


Many occasions? Dude you must be watching different games than the rest of us. How about this... in the last 5 games, who has he stopped?



OK, Mart....Having watch the games...Have you not ever heard Breen say that this is the best he has seen Marbs play D in his career...And that Marbs can play D when he wants to?...Tell me you have never heard that....

Breen said it so it must be.

Marbs CAN play D when he wants to, but that's the catch. When has he wanted to? Once for a quarter out of 10 games? Against an aging and herniated Grant Hill? Defense is effort man and you got to do it every minute of every game.



Well I figure you would value the opinion of someone who see all the games and is unbiased, and calls it like it is...He has no dog in this fight....By the way, Grant Hill didnt look too old and herniated when Lee was guarding him...
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