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3/14/2006  11:44 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by eViL:
Posted by holfresh:

He shut down Grant Hill in the second half of the first game against Orlando when Hill completely torched your boy Lee in the first half.....Even Brown commented on the effort...

Hill scored 0 in the second half....

First of all, I don't know which game you are talking about, but the first game against Orlando, Hill only scored 7 points. So I assume you mean the second game in which he scored 26 points. Well, if that's the game you are talking about, Starbury only mustered up 5 points on 0-7 shooting. Not to mention - we lost. I don't wanna pin everything on the guy, but he's far from the complete player that you guys think he is. He's not worth the effort you guys put into defending him. If he defended his opponents as hard as you guys defend him on this board, we wouldn't be losing right now.



So the Knicks are losing because Marbs isnt defending his man....

Nash has never defended anyone since entering this league..neither has Tony Parker, Allan Iverson, Byron Davis, Mike Bibby,Andre Miller, Sam Cassell,Steve Francis,Brevin Knight,T.J. Ford, Jason Williams, and I can name more....U have a boner for them as well?




what are you just rattling off names of players you know.

for starters almost every pg on that list rebounds better than Marbury.

the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
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3/14/2006  11:45 PM
Its a simple thing.
If somebody ask you to do a job and you are good at it. And you come to the place and see the mess.
So what you will do first? - Start cleaning the house.
So this want Brown do.
Get out the soft defensless and selfish losers and GMs, bring others who still not helpless down to earth and show them that despite the raw talent and money they get they are at the bottom of the leage and need to clime all the way up with hard work and dedication... Its a hard way and it is only one way...
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3/14/2006  11:45 PM
My point is that you guys are blaming Marbs for stuff he doesn't deserve blame for..Win and Loses of the current team...He has been the best player out there...He is also is being help to standards no one else is held to in the NBA...

Even Larry Brown gets a pass on the wins and losses..but not Marbs...
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3/14/2006  11:47 PM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by eViL:
Posted by holfresh:

He shut down Grant Hill in the second half of the first game against Orlando when Hill completely torched your boy Lee in the first half.....Even Brown commented on the effort...

Hill scored 0 in the second half....

First of all, I don't know which game you are talking about, but the first game against Orlando, Hill only scored 7 points. So I assume you mean the second game in which he scored 26 points. Well, if that's the game you are talking about, Starbury only mustered up 5 points on 0-7 shooting. Not to mention - we lost. I don't wanna pin everything on the guy, but he's far from the complete player that you guys think he is. He's not worth the effort you guys put into defending him. If he defended his opponents as hard as you guys defend him on this board, we wouldn't be losing right now.



So the Knicks are losing because Marbs isnt defending his man....

Nash has never defended anyone since entering this league..neither has Tony Parker, Allan Iverson, Byron Davis, Mike Bibby,Andre Miller, Sam Cassell,Steve Francis,Brevin Knight,T.J. Ford, Jason Williams, and I can name more....U have a boner for them as well?




what are you just rattling off names of players you know.

for starters almost every pg on that list rebounds better than Marbury.



Keep going...assist...points.....they do play the rest of the game right...
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3/14/2006  11:48 PM
Posted by holfresh:

My point is that you guys are blaming Marbs for stuff he doesn't deserve blame for..Win and Loses of the current team...He has been the best player out there...He is also is being help to standards no one else is held to in the NBA...

Even Larry Brown gets a pass on the wins and losses..but not Marbs...


losing in this manner is an exception for Brown

the play where Stiph argued the non-call while Godon ran down court and was wide open for the game changing 3 is a NORMAL losing decisions Stephon makes
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3/14/2006  11:49 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by eViL:
Posted by holfresh:

He shut down Grant Hill in the second half of the first game against Orlando when Hill completely torched your boy Lee in the first half.....Even Brown commented on the effort...

Hill scored 0 in the second half....

First of all, I don't know which game you are talking about, but the first game against Orlando, Hill only scored 7 points. So I assume you mean the second game in which he scored 26 points. Well, if that's the game you are talking about, Starbury only mustered up 5 points on 0-7 shooting. Not to mention - we lost. I don't wanna pin everything on the guy, but he's far from the complete player that you guys think he is. He's not worth the effort you guys put into defending him. If he defended his opponents as hard as you guys defend him on this board, we wouldn't be losing right now.



So the Knicks are losing because Marbs isnt defending his man....

Nash has never defended anyone since entering this league..neither has Tony Parker, Allan Iverson, Byron Davis, Mike Bibby,Andre Miller, Sam Cassell,Steve Francis,Brevin Knight,T.J. Ford, Jason Williams, and I can name more....U have a boner for them as well?




what are you just rattling off names of players you know.

for starters almost every pg on that list rebounds better than Marbury.



Keep going...assist...points.....they do play the rest of the game right...


I knew you would miss the point.
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3/14/2006  11:58 PM
Posted by arkrud:

Its a simple thing.
If somebody ask you to do a job and you are good at it. And you come to the place and see the mess.
So what you will do first? - Start cleaning the house.
So this want Brown do.
Get out the soft defensless and selfish losers and GMs, bring others who still not helpless down to earth and show them that despite the raw talent and money they get they are at the bottom of the leage and need to clime all the way up with hard work and dedication... Its a hard way and it is only one way...



Where please tell me..for the life of me I keep hearing it but I can't see it....Where does Marbs show you he is selfish on the court????...The guy probally had 4 asssit to Lee alone in the last game....I have said tghis b4 as well..It is impossible to average 8 assist for 10 years and not be thinking pass as a part of your game.....impossible...



[Edited by - holfresh on 03-15-2006 12:04 AM]
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3/15/2006  12:02 AM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by arkrud:

Its a simple thing.
If somebody ask you to do a job and you are good at it. And you come to the place and see the mess.
So what you will do first? - Start cleaning the house.
So this want Brown do.
Get out the soft defensless and selfish losers and GMs, bring others who still not helpless down to earth and show them that despite the raw talent and money they get they are at the bottom of the leage and need to clime all the way up with hard work and dedication... Its a hard way and it is only one way...



Where please tell me..for the life of me I keep hearing it but I can't see it....Where does Marbs show you he is selfish on the court????...The guy probally had 4 asssit to Lee alone in the last game....I have said tghis b4 as well..It is impossible to average 8 assist for 10 years and be thinking pass as a part of your game.....impossible...


here is explicitly how he said he would be selfish: "I need to be Starbury."

NOT "I need to do whatever it takes for my team to get better" or "I will play D every minute of every game".
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3/15/2006  12:02 AM
Posted by eViL:
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If you know basketball than you are annoyed I wrote that out.....and if you know this to be true and you should.......can all the Larry defenders say that actually happened this year with the knicks?

Since you know basketball, explain this to me: what was Marbury doing arguing with a ref while the game was still on and it was the final minutes and Ben Gordon drilled a three to put his team up late in the game when we played Chicago? What strategy was that? Was that Starbury in action? What's your excuse for him there? Was that a good play? Would a true superstar do that? What do you think Larry Brown would have had him do? Do you think LB would recommend hustling back on D in that situation? Or do you think that was LB's gameplan? Seriously, please address that situation and explain to me the rationale behind Marbury's decision to argue with a ref rather than get back on D during the closing moments of a tight game. I mean, since you know basketball...

That was Larry's fault. He should have motivated Marbury to STFU and get back on defense. How could any player be responsible to understand that he has to get back on defense with a 1 pt lead and less than 24 seconds left in the game? That's obviously the coaches fault. You expect way too much from the players.
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3/15/2006  12:07 AM
Posted by martin:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by arkrud:

Its a simple thing.
If somebody ask you to do a job and you are good at it. And you come to the place and see the mess.
So what you will do first? - Start cleaning the house.
So this want Brown do.
Get out the soft defensless and selfish losers and GMs, bring others who still not helpless down to earth and show them that despite the raw talent and money they get they are at the bottom of the leage and need to clime all the way up with hard work and dedication... Its a hard way and it is only one way...



Where please tell me..for the life of me I keep hearing it but I can't see it....Where does Marbs show you he is selfish on the court????...The guy probally had 4 asssit to Lee alone in the last game....I have said tghis b4 as well..It is impossible to average 8 assist for 10 years and be thinking pass as a part of your game.....impossible...


here is explicitly how he said he would be selfish: "I need to be Starbury."

NOT "I need to do whatever it takes for my team to get better" or "I will play D every minute of every game".



Did you see it on the court?....Starbury, I just hate defending this Starbury bull,he really needs to grow up,but I'm think he meant being more aggressive offensively and going to the basket,scoring and dishing the ball....Thats what I saw...



[Edited by - holfresh on 03-15-2006 12:13 AM]
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3/15/2006  12:12 AM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by martin:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by arkrud:

Its a simple thing.
If somebody ask you to do a job and you are good at it. And you come to the place and see the mess.
So what you will do first? - Start cleaning the house.
So this want Brown do.
Get out the soft defensless and selfish losers and GMs, bring others who still not helpless down to earth and show them that despite the raw talent and money they get they are at the bottom of the leage and need to clime all the way up with hard work and dedication... Its a hard way and it is only one way...



Where please tell me..for the life of me I keep hearing it but I can't see it....Where does Marbs show you he is selfish on the court????...The guy probally had 4 asssit to Lee alone in the last game....I have said tghis b4 as well..It is impossible to average 8 assist for 10 years and be thinking pass as a part of your game.....impossible...


here is explicitly how he said he would be selfish: "I need to be Starbury."

NOT "I need to do whatever it takes for my team to get better" or "I will play D every minute of every game".



Did you see it on the court?....Starbury, I just hate defending this Starbury bull,he really needs to grow up,but I'm think he meant being more aggressive offensively and going to the basket and dishing the ball....Thats what I saw...


Why do you need to spin an interpretation of that simple sentence when it's pretty obvious to most everybody else as to what he was saying?

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3/15/2006  12:15 AM

Well tell me what did you see on the court????.. Still... Stop reading the frigging papers....
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3/15/2006  12:19 AM
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Well tell me what did you see on the court????.. Still... Stop reading the frigging papers....

Ok, on the court I saw a PG who liked to freelance and hold onto the ball instead of running an offense. I saw a PG who was looking to get his but would pass off if contested resulting in assists but not in the flow of a team offense.

Or pretty much the same PG that we've seen Statbury be his entire losing career.

Happy now.
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Well tell me what did you see on the court????.. Still... Stop reading the frigging papers....

Ok, on the court I saw a PG who liked to freelance and hold onto the ball instead of running an offense. I saw a PG who was looking to get his but would pass off if contested resulting in assists but not in the flow of a team offense.

Or pretty much the same PG that we've seen Statbury be his entire losing career.

Happy now.

Freelance? Not running the offense....Now are you claiming you know what plays Brown called...Good I'm glad we got that one cleared up....
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3/15/2006  5:23 AM
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This is not karate class. Larry brown is not an 8th degree blackbelt. This is basketball.

What makes a good coach? A guy that can fit a system around a group of players that gets them to be the most sucsessful at what they can do well. The more talent the more chance there is for sucsess. The right mix of talent gets you a shot at something special.

If you know basketball than you are annoyed I wrote that out.....and if you know this to be true and you should.......can all the Larry defenders say that actually happened this year with the knicks?

The main thing that still pains me and I keep bringing it up is the fact that a guy with such a track record that has won everywhere got away with playing guys based on their hometowns! He actually said that with confidence and in front of the world. What a joke! That is not playing to win.

In fact I think brown had no intentions on winning. he is 65. dude wants to make one last run at it and wants things to go his way and it is because the whole town wants to fire Thomas, marbury, and dolan.

This is not brown vs. Marbs. This is brown vs. The knicks. Every player has made comments here and there about how confused they are. But they all have been diplomatic about it. They sincerly take the blame.

never would I have guessed the knicks would be this bad. They have the talent. I thought they would probably miss the playoffs anyway, but I thought brown would have the knicks playing good basketball. I was dreaming of what he did with Indiana. If browns track record does anything for me it just further explains why he is the one that should be bought out.

Just like he was in Detroit mofo!

offense is not the team problem. It's defense. What scheme should Brown or any coach use with this current roster?

Yeah seriously...we play half court and we lose 90-80....we play fast and loose and we lose 119-109...the problem ain't the offense.
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3/15/2006  7:51 AM
I only see one truth. That if you dont defend you dont win in this league. How about giving a little? Look no further then the Denver game. Gee, Marbs such looked great on offense. Then Dre Miller and Earl Boykins score at will against him. Are they better players than Marbury? Are they more talented? Why cant or wont Marbury play defense? Are we in denial this is important?

Let Marbury go play somewhere else, lose a bunch more games and complain again. The only time Marbury helps a team is when he leaves and they mysteriously improve. A lot. I want this guy to do well here but he's wrong. Maybe he should listen a little more to Billups who called him a couple times to tell him Larry will make him a better player. Guess he forgot to mention that you actually have to work on what Larry tells you for that to happen.
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3/15/2006  8:58 AM
Offense and defense are both big problems for the Knicks. We're among the worst in the league at both, so it's foolish to say one is the problem and the other isn't. With a better offense we'd have won a lot more games this season, just as we would've won a lot more games with better D.
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3/15/2006  9:00 AM
Yeah, and we would have won if we scored more points than the other team!

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3/15/2006  9:50 AM
Posted by eViL:
Posted by EnySpree:

If you know basketball than you are annoyed I wrote that out.....and if you know this to be true and you should.......can all the Larry defenders say that actually happened this year with the knicks?

Since you know basketball, explain this to me: what was Marbury doing arguing with a ref while the game was still on and it was the final minutes and Ben Gordon drilled a three to put his team up late in the game when we played Chicago? What strategy was that? Was that Starbury in action? What's your excuse for him there? Was that a good play? Would a true superstar do that? What do you think Larry Brown would have had him do? Do you think LB would recommend hustling back on D in that situation? Or do you think that was LB's gameplan? Seriously, please address that situation and explain to me the rationale behind Marbury's decision to argue with a ref rather than get back on D during the closing moments of a tight game. I mean, since you know basketball...

Let me chime in, why is Larry Brown using 38 different starting lineups throughout the season with twenty more game to go. If ANY other coach did that they would have been on the unemployment line. Larry got the Knicks by the balls with his contract. Also since Steph is to blame then why we didn't win when he was injured? Take your HOF coach glasses off Larry Brown is just as terrible, they is no way this roster should have been this bad.
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3/15/2006  10:09 AM
Maybe this roster is worse than we thought.

We have done a bit of trading to pad that stat.

Larry has found this team fundamentally in need and can't settle on a line up cuz the players won't respond.

Finally a coach that can stand up to these divas!
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