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jaydh
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2/25/2006  3:14 PM
Posted by McK1:
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and 07 when all Layden's contracts expire - free agents Bosh Wade James Melo for starters

do you really think any of those guys are going anywhere?

can you say for certainty they are not?

well for certain i can say if they are going anywhere it will be done in a sign&trade.
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I'd grade him on different subjects..

I'd give him an A- for his attempts at teaching fundementals. Understanding that Defense wins championships.. and half court teams are generally more effective in th NBA.

I'd grade F- for willingness to play with the talent he's been given. This is a fast break, Uptempo style team.. we got players that have to pound the ball. Let them play like that... His stubborness/ or committment to Larry Ball (Whichever way you wanna say it ) has contributed to this teams miserable record.

I am down with these grades. Makes sense, and maybe even the A- is too high.


Wait, are you guys serious? Have you watched the games?
Fundamentals? We lead the league in TO's and Fouls.
Put a different name on this coach and he lasts about ten games. Tell me the last game when we weren't down 20 at some point. Probably can't remember. Now say that out loud, "I can't remember the last game where we weren't down 20."
This team could not be coached any worse.

Grade: F

2 things: 1) it is hard to "see" improvement in fundamentals if the players are not doing what the coach asks. I have seen Marbury play his best basketball as a player EVER. I have seen JC leave most of his chucker ways behind (they are back part time). I have seen Q play D (did he do that last year?). Lee couldn't shoot in preseason and he found his shot for a while. Frye is not just a jumpshooting, soft bigman. There are bits and pieces. Not many, but they are there.

2) This may be a bad analogy, but here goes. If I am the planner mastermind behind a bank robbery and have written up flawless steps to get millions but the guys who are executing the robbery forget to turn off the silent alarm that they knew about but who otherwise pull off the perfect heist (apart from the cops showing up cause of the alarm and arresting everyone)... is the mastermind planner to blame or the robbers? What if the planner mastermind told them about the alarm over and over and over and wrote it on their hands (and told them to rotate over the open 3point shooter and count to 3 in the lane and box out and keep their man in front of them and play with high energy) ... who is to blame?
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2/25/2006  5:27 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by JohnWallace44:
Posted by martin:
Posted by JayNYC:

I'd grade him on different subjects..

I'd give him an A- for his attempts at teaching fundementals. Understanding that Defense wins championships.. and half court teams are generally more effective in th NBA.

I'd grade F- for willingness to play with the talent he's been given. This is a fast break, Uptempo style team.. we got players that have to pound the ball. Let them play like that... His stubborness/ or committment to Larry Ball (Whichever way you wanna say it ) has contributed to this teams miserable record.

I am down with these grades. Makes sense, and maybe even the A- is too high.


Wait, are you guys serious? Have you watched the games?
Fundamentals? We lead the league in TO's and Fouls.
Put a different name on this coach and he lasts about ten games. Tell me the last game when we weren't down 20 at some point. Probably can't remember. Now say that out loud, "I can't remember the last game where we weren't down 20."
This team could not be coached any worse.

Grade: F

2 things: 1) it is hard to "see" improvement in fundamentals if the players are not doing what the coach asks. I have seen Marbury play his best basketball as a player EVER. I have seen JC leave most of his chucker ways behind (they are back part time). I have seen Q play D (did he do that last year?). Lee couldn't shoot in preseason and he found his shot for a while. Frye is not just a jumpshooting, soft bigman. There are bits and pieces. Not many, but they are there.

2) This may be a bad analogy, but here goes. If I am the planner mastermind behind a bank robbery and have written up flawless steps to get millions but the guys who are executing the robbery forget to turn off the silent alarm that they knew about but who otherwise pull off the perfect heist (apart from the cops showing up cause of the alarm and arresting everyone)... is the mastermind planner to blame or the robbers? What if the planner mastermind told them about the alarm over and over and over and wrote it on their hands (and told them to rotate over the open 3point shooter and count to 3 in the lane and box out and keep their man in front of them and play with high energy) ... who is to blame?



Lots of what ifs in there....Let me get a few of my "What if's" in there.....What if the master planner is was drawing up plans for the wrong bank...his blueprint and master plan works for some other bank he robbed previously but doesn't necessarily fit this new bank....U think he might try to adjust his plan instead of pushing the plan that worked at the other bank....Do you think he should adjust according to his new environment...Or maybe not, could it be that one plan fits all....If that's the case, the silent alarm box might be in a different location....So no matter how good the master plan is the alarm will always get tripped.... You have to draw up the plan that fits the bank and try not to use one plan for all banks....That is if you don't want to get caught or if you want to win.......
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2/25/2006  5:49 PM
Forget the name of the coach. If this was Herb or Lenny it would be an F. So it's the same for Larry. F.
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2/25/2006  6:06 PM
holfresh: If this was the first or second bank, I could see the planner make that mistake. The reason he is called a master planner is because he has robbed other banks with really good plans. Just my $0.02
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2/25/2006  6:14 PM
One of the mistakes I think we make as fans is trying to fix blame on an individual when the Knicks problems are systemic. (If you did want to blame one individual, I think it would have to be Mr. Dolan. He sets the tone for the whole organization.)

I don't think Larry has done a very good job, but as others have pointed out the situation wasn't a very good one for him.

My hope is that everyone in this organization gets on the same page. Larry Brown is the coach? Okay, go out and get some "Larry Brown" players for the guy. Want to go with a "youth movement"? Get a coach that's suited to that, let the vet contracts expire, and suck for a while. Make sure everyone, including the fans, understands what the direction is.

As it is, no moves that I forsee, including bringing in Kevin Garnett, are going to fix the problems becuase the Knicks are a lousy franchise. This dysfunctional system needs a serious shock before it can recover from the mismanagement of the past few years.


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2/25/2006  6:20 PM
I have said it before and will reiterate-LB is the only one who has the track record and trophies to support what he has done. Before a team can play uptempo they have to stop the other team. He doesn't have to explain to any of us why he is doing what he is doing it. Players go in and out until they earn the right, they may lose it and regain it-eventually some may get it and will stay in the rotation.

They earn the right to play in practice and their performance keep them in the game or out of it. I don't know why he does certain things of plays certain players-all I know is that it eventually works and whether the teams have won a championship or not -one thing is certain-he establishes a winning foundation. Anyone can question but to draw conclusions you should at least set forth your credentials as a basketball genius
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2/25/2006  7:00 PM
Posted by Silverfuel:

holfresh: If this was the first or second bank, I could see the planner make that mistake. The reason he is called a master planner is because he has robbed other banks with really good plans. Just my $0.02



Successful in one heist....Detroit....And that was really someone else's plan...Carlsile...
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2/25/2006  7:09 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by Silverfuel:

holfresh: If this was the first or second bank, I could see the planner make that mistake. The reason he is called a master planner is because he has robbed other banks with really good plans. Just my $0.02
Successful in one heist....Detroit....And that was really someone else's plan...Carlsile...
Come on man, its more than just the championships that count. I mean, Stephon and Jason Kidd have the same number of rings.
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2/25/2006  7:18 PM
Posted by TheSage:

I have said it before and will reiterate-LB is the only one who has the track record and trophies to support what he has done. Before a team can play uptempo they have to stop the other team. He doesn't have to explain to any of us why he is doing what he is doing it. Players go in and out until they earn the right, they may lose it and regain it-eventually some may get it and will stay in the rotation.

They earn the right to play in practice and their performance keep them in the game or out of it. I don't know why he does certain things of plays certain players-all I know is that it eventually works and whether the teams have won a championship or not -one thing is certain-he establishes a winning foundation. Anyone can question but to draw conclusions you should at least set forth your credentials as a basketball genius



I have said this before as well....There is one record that I am cercerned about..15-39...
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2/25/2006  8:13 PM
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by Silverfuel:

holfresh: If this was the first or second bank, I could see the planner make that mistake. The reason he is called a master planner is because he has robbed other banks with really good plans. Just my $0.02
Successful in one heist....Detroit....And that was really someone else's plan...Carlsile...
Come on man, its more than just the championships that count. I mean, Stephon and Jason Kidd have the same number of rings.



It makes a difference when you are playing with allstars than when you are playing wiht scrubs...

How well did Kidd do when he wasn't playing with all-stars?
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2/25/2006  9:08 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by Silverfuel:

holfresh: If this was the first or second bank, I could see the planner make that mistake. The reason he is called a master planner is because he has robbed other banks with really good plans. Just my $0.02
Successful in one heist....Detroit....And that was really someone else's plan...Carlsile...
Come on man, its more than just the championships that count. I mean, Stephon and Jason Kidd have the same number of rings.



It makes a difference when you are playing with allstars than when you are playing wiht scrubs...

How well did Kidd do when he wasn't playing with all-stars?





Why does it matter only for Marbs. When LB is coaching the same junk that Marbs is playing with it's LBs fault. LB has actually shown what he can do. Marbs never has - always someone elses fault. Yet you let Marbs off the hook and hang LB. Seems like a bit of a double standard.
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2/25/2006  9:49 PM


I just hope this is the part where Brown is breaking everyone down...
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2/25/2006  9:51 PM
i cannot ever remember a great coach in any sport with this kind of lack luster display. next year may be a little different, and i hope for the good of this franchise, but this season larry lame is a new york embarrassment
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2/25/2006  9:52 PM
it's hard to make lemonade out of rotten lemons.

[Edited by - crzymdups on 02-25-2006 9:52 PM]
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Posted by crzymdups:

it's hard to make lemonade out of rotten lemons.

[Edited by - crzymdups on 02-25-2006 9:52 PM]


Herb was making better lemonade with less lemons
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2/26/2006  1:31 AM
I love these posts, because they allow me to vent.

Any Knicks fan who does not give Larry a solid "F" has been watching a different team.

Put it this way: If Chaney or Lenny or Herb were our coach and was doing the same exact job (making the exact same decisions, inlcuding rotations, etc.) and had the same exact record, what would you give him?

EVERYONE would give him an F. Therefore, Larry derves an F as well.

It's not even up for debate.

Yeah, we'd probably suck no matter who the coach was, but he hasn't even taken advantage of our poor record and given the rookies enough playing time. Have our rookies really progressed throughout the season? Let's face it: They pretty much peaked during training camp.
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Unsatisfactory.

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