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crzymdups
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2/22/2006  2:28 PM
The only thing I'm hearing that makes sense is:

Jamal/Mo Taylor/Butler/Denver pick to Denver for Earl/Kmart.

that at least cleans up the roster, while being a tremendous risk.
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2/22/2006  2:28 PM
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2/22/2006  2:29 PM
must see tv...it's all about the RATINGS!!!

francis and marbury may be fun, and it will be fun seeing lb try to coach them.

but if that's the plan, then the frontcourt needs a little bit of an overhaul...
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2/22/2006  2:32 PM
so as of now:

Marbs
Francis
Rose
Frye
Curry
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2/22/2006  2:34 PM
Posted by JonsTintedTails:

so as of now:

Marbs
Francis
Rose
Frye
Curry

D-FENSE! D-FENSE! oh wait, I mean, OFFENSE! OFFENSE! oh wait, we're down by 20... at least we didn't give Orlando a pick.
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2/22/2006  2:35 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

must see tv...it's all about the RATINGS!!!

francis and marbury may be fun, and it will be fun seeing lb try to coach them.

but if that's the plan, then the frontcourt needs a little bit of an overhaul...


I've said this for the past few days, but anyone else think that the plan now is to dangle Francis to the Nuggets for Kmart and Watson? That would make more sense. Maybe with Francis on the Knicks, now the Nuggets don't seem so bad...
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2/22/2006  2:36 PM
Posted by tomverve:

So, what is that now... McDyess, Eisley, Ward, Lampe, Vujanic, Ariza, and 2 picks for Marbury and Francis? The fallout remains to be seen, but from a pure talent/asset perspective that's pretty impressive...

Now add up the salary's dumped and taken on and ask yourself could any franchise afford to do it?

No, its an impressive fortune of salary commitment no team ever has taken on!

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Posted by Nalod:
Posted by tomverve:

So, what is that now... McDyess, Eisley, Ward, Lampe, Vujanic, Ariza, and 2 picks for Marbury and Francis? The fallout remains to be seen, but from a pure talent/asset perspective that's pretty impressive...

Now add up the salary's dumped and taken on and ask yourself could any franchise afford to do it?

No, its an impressive fortune of salary commitment no team ever has taken on!

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2/22/2006  2:39 PM
It might not be as bad as it seems. Consider that when we've played decently at all this season, it's been when Jamal has been able to make a solid contribution on offense. We needed that second backcourt guy to step up and complement Marbury, Curry and Frye in order to have a halfway decent shot at winning games. The huge problem with Jamal is that he couldn't be that guy more often than not because of his inconsistency.

Francis could at least step in and be the second backcourt scorer and playmaker, and he could do it more consistently than Craw. Maybe. His shooting touch sucks, but he'll get to the bucket. Consider that the opposition is going to have to stick a SG on either Marbs or Francis when they play together... just give it to the guy being guarded by a 2 and let him get into the paint. Could work.

Defense, yeah that's still a problem. But I can't see any way in the world that Francis would be more of a sieve than JC.

So, if we are a halfway decent team with JC playing well... and if Francis can play as well or better than JC and do it more consistently... we could at least be a halfway decent team. Maybe.
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2/22/2006  2:40 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by djsunyc:

must see tv...it's all about the RATINGS!!!

francis and marbury may be fun, and it will be fun seeing lb try to coach them.

but if that's the plan, then the frontcourt needs a little bit of an overhaul...


I've said this for the past few days, but anyone else think that the plan now is to dangle Francis to the Nuggets for Kmart and Watson? That would make more sense. Maybe with Francis on the Knicks, now the Nuggets don't seem so bad...

they can't move francis in a multiplayer deal until the offseason. they can do a 1 for 1 deal and that's it. (at least i think so)
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Posted by tomverve:

It might not be as bad as it seems. Consider that when we've played decently at all this season, it's been when Jamal has been able to make a solid contribution on offense. We needed that second backcourt guy to step up and complement Marbury, Curry and Frye in order to have a halfway decent shot at winning games. The huge problem with Jamal is that he couldn't be that guy more often than not because of his inconsistency.

Francis could at least step in and be the second backcourt scorer and playmaker, and he could do it more consistently than Craw. Maybe. His shooting touch sucks, but he'll get to the bucket. Consider that the opposition is going to have to stick a SG on either Marbs or Francis when they play together... just give it to the guy being guarded by a 2 and let him get into the paint. Could work.

Defense, yeah that's still a problem. But I can't see any way in the world that Francis would be more of a sieve than JC.

So, if we are a halfway decent team with JC playing well... and if Francis can play as well or better than JC and do it more consistently... we could at least be a halfway decent team. Maybe.

maybe. that's what we're all hoping for.

but i think there's some unwritten bylaw that says every team we make a deal with become better and we stay the same.

at the end of the day, i don't care if missy elliot is running the point, just give me a good product on the floor building towards championship aspirations...
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2/22/2006  2:42 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by djsunyc:

must see tv...it's all about the RATINGS!!!

francis and marbury may be fun, and it will be fun seeing lb try to coach them.

but if that's the plan, then the frontcourt needs a little bit of an overhaul...


I've said this for the past few days, but anyone else think that the plan now is to dangle Francis to the Nuggets for Kmart and Watson? That would make more sense. Maybe with Francis on the Knicks, now the Nuggets don't seem so bad...

they can't move francis in a multiplayer deal until the offseason. they can do a 1 for 1 deal and that's it. (at least i think so)

I thought there was a 24 hour window? maybe I'm wrong.
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2/22/2006  2:42 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by djsunyc:

must see tv...it's all about the RATINGS!!!

francis and marbury may be fun, and it will be fun seeing lb try to coach them.

but if that's the plan, then the frontcourt needs a little bit of an overhaul...


I've said this for the past few days, but anyone else think that the plan now is to dangle Francis to the Nuggets for Kmart and Watson? That would make more sense. Maybe with Francis on the Knicks, now the Nuggets don't seem so bad...

they can't move francis in a multiplayer deal until the offseason. they can do a 1 for 1 deal and that's it. (at least i think so)

I think they have 24 hours to move him on as part of a package. IF not, it must be one for one. With the deadline approaching, thats a given.
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2/22/2006  2:48 PM
Posted by Nalod:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by djsunyc:

must see tv...it's all about the RATINGS!!!

francis and marbury may be fun, and it will be fun seeing lb try to coach them.

but if that's the plan, then the frontcourt needs a little bit of an overhaul...


I've said this for the past few days, but anyone else think that the plan now is to dangle Francis to the Nuggets for Kmart and Watson? That would make more sense. Maybe with Francis on the Knicks, now the Nuggets don't seem so bad...

they can't move francis in a multiplayer deal until the offseason. they can do a 1 for 1 deal and that's it. (at least i think so)

I think they have 24 hours to move him on as part of a package. IF not, it must be one for one. With the deadline approaching, thats a given.

yeah, now it makes sense why the deal was done at this point in time. It gives them all over tomorrow, until the deadline, to move players.
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2/22/2006  2:50 PM
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2/22/2006  2:52 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by Nalod:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by djsunyc:

must see tv...it's all about the RATINGS!!!

francis and marbury may be fun, and it will be fun seeing lb try to coach them.

but if that's the plan, then the frontcourt needs a little bit of an overhaul...


I've said this for the past few days, but anyone else think that the plan now is to dangle Francis to the Nuggets for Kmart and Watson? That would make more sense. Maybe with Francis on the Knicks, now the Nuggets don't seem so bad...

they can't move francis in a multiplayer deal until the offseason. they can do a 1 for 1 deal and that's it. (at least i think so)

I think they have 24 hours to move him on as part of a package. IF not, it must be one for one. With the deadline approaching, thats a given.

yeah, now it makes sense why the deal was done at this point in time. It gives them all over tomorrow, until the deadline, to move players.

Oh, even if its just for one nite, the sweet sweet bittersweeet of what could have been. Steph and Francis can at least say for just a moment, they were mates.

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2/22/2006  3:16 PM
It's now on official knicks page
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2/22/2006  3:40 PM
The Knicks page also says Francis is not expected to be available tonight. Too bad, although that could mean Isiah is exploring options to move him as well, within the next 24 hours.
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I'm just curious why everyone is looking for more moves or why no one is excited about this deal from a talent acquisition stand point.

If at the beginning of this season, our starting line-up was:

Francis, Marbury, Jalen Rose, Curry, and Frye or Jerome James, and we had Jamal Crawford, Q, the rookies playing as well as they have, Mo playing as well as he has, and throw in Malik Rose as our roster, everyone would see the Knicks as a powerhouse in the East. Nevermind a playoff contender, this team would be close to a championship contender.

The respone will be "too many ball hogs, too many guards." Marbury is not a ball hog. Everyone just blames him for every problem with this team. If Marbury were given the option to score 12 points and have 10 assists per game and have his team win 50+ games, I think he would take it in a heartbeat. Francis would be the only guy on this team who has real selfishness too him, and we need a player that has that kind of scoring mentality anyway.

This team is 100x better than its record. If they just get their acts together, with Steve Francis, this team should be a force (not this season without a miracle), but in the future.
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