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jaydh
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2/22/2006  12:29 PM
Posted by Elite:

they r saying steve francis is not the same player cuz he is not happy and not sure if he will be happy in new york

i agree with that.. francis is better than what he is doing in ORL.
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2/22/2006  12:29 PM
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2/22/2006  12:30 PM
when all is said and done, i just hope the rookies are here, and JC is gone.
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2/22/2006  12:31 PM
so the whole Q/Steph thing is for real. That is confirmed. But the Penny to ORL... I don't know about that.
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2/22/2006  12:32 PM
Posted by Elite:

hes making it sound really dramatic


SAS's job is to sell drama. Quite frankly, if he were more interested in facts than soap operas, I doubt he'd be YELLING ALL THE TIME.

So let me get this straight... Francis would not be happy in NY. Francis has been playing poorly lately because he is not happy in Orlando. Francis would not go to Denver, "even at gunpoint." WTF?

This just in... Francis is not happy to be alive. Rumor has it Marbury bought Francis a new car to welcome him to NY, which made Francis so unhappy that he broke into Steph's house and had to be restrained for 48 consecutive hours, in Steph's living room no less, by Dave Checketts and Ed Tapscott.

Whatever.
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2/22/2006  12:33 PM
I have a REAL hard time believing Steph would be scared of Q. Come on now, that crap is all made up.

In terms of bringing in Francis. I guess he's an upgrade over JC, so what could it hurt. JC has basically lost almost all his natural aggressiveness and you can see him get brain lock out there on the floor. Its all mental with him. When he started throwing alleyoops into the stands, I knew he was mentally fried. He can't deal with LB's pressure. You have to be mentally tough like Steph to be able to deal with LB. As much as some of you want to hate on Steph, he's the one guy who actually adjusted to LB. He improved his D, even defending SG's until Q finally started to do a good job in that dept. Steph was really on his game for about 10 games, which ran just before and during the win streak and the only thing that stopped that was his injury. SO I really don't know why some of the fans still think he's the problem. He's NOT.
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2/22/2006  12:34 PM
Posted by tomverve:
Posted by Elite:

hes making it sound really dramatic


SAS's job is to sell drama. Quite frankly, if he were more interested in facts than soap operas, I doubt he'd be YELLING ALL THE TIME.

So let me get this straight... Francis would not be happy in NY. Francis has been playing poorly lately because he is not happy in Orlando. Francis would not go to Denver, "even at gunpoint." WTF?

This just in... Francis is not happy to be alive. Rumor has it Marbury bought Francis a new car to welcome him to NY, which made Francis so unhappy that he broke into Steph's house and had to be restrained for 48 consecutive hours, in Steph's living room no less, by Dave Checketts and Ed Tapscott.

Whatever.

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2/22/2006  12:35 PM
Posted by tomverve:
Posted by Elite:

hes making it sound really dramatic


SAS's job is to sell drama. Quite frankly, if he were more interested in facts than soap operas, I doubt he'd be YELLING ALL THE TIME.

So let me get this straight... Francis would not be happy in NY. Francis has been playing poorly lately because he is not happy in Orlando. Francis would not go to Denver, "even at gunpoint." WTF?

This just in... Francis is not happy to be alive. Rumor has it Marbury bought Francis a new car to welcome him to NY, which made Francis so unhappy that he broke into Steph's house and had to be restrained for 48 consecutive hours, in Steph's living room no less, by Dave Checketts and Ed Tapscott.

Whatever.

well, conventional wisdom would dictate a follow up deal for cuttino...i heard they're best of buds...the best of friends...almost like two cowboys...
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2/22/2006  12:41 PM
Posted by nixluva:

I have a REAL hard time believing Steph would be scared of Q. Come on now, that crap is all made up.

In terms of bringing in Francis. I guess he's an upgrade over JC, so what could it hurt. JC has basically lost almost all his natural aggressiveness and you can see him get brain lock out there on the floor. Its all mental with him. When he started throwing alleyoops into the stands, I knew he was mentally fried. He can't deal with LB's pressure. You have to be mentally tough like Steph to be able to deal with LB. As much as some of you want to hate on Steph, he's the one guy who actually adjusted to LB. He improved his D, even defending SG's until Q finally started to do a good job in that dept. Steph was really on his game for about 10 games, which ran just before and during the win streak and the only thing that stopped that was his injury. SO I really don't know why some of the fans still think he's the problem. He's NOT.



Yeah, I don't see Marbury as a guy who would back down from anyone. Marbury is probably 6-2 210 or so and not an ounce of fat on him. hes big and tough enough to stand up for himself.

I agree that marbury is not the main problem, but rather there is a variety of complexities that could make him expendable.
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2/22/2006  12:41 PM
You're right dj, but that's just part of the bigger plan. Think about it. We're going to get KG, Miles, and Cuttino, without giving up JC. The idea is obviously to create warring factions of "best chums":

Steph/KG
Francis/Mobley
Q/Miles
Frye/Lee
Curry/JC

Then they all have a scintillating no holds barred battle royale in the lockerroom and the duo left standing is the one that doesn't get traded. The honorable referee will be Stephen A. Smith.
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2/22/2006  12:42 PM
Posted by nixluva:

I have a REAL hard time believing Steph would be scared of Q. Come on now, that crap is all made up.

In terms of bringing in Francis. I guess he's an upgrade over JC, so what could it hurt. JC has basically lost almost all his natural aggressiveness and you can see him get brain lock out there on the floor. Its all mental with him. When he started throwing alleyoops into the stands, I knew he was mentally fried. He can't deal with LB's pressure. You have to be mentally tough like Steph to be able to deal with LB. As much as some of you want to hate on Steph, he's the one guy who actually adjusted to LB. He improved his D, even defending SG's until Q finally started to do a good job in that dept. Steph was really on his game for about 10 games, which ran just before and during the win streak and the only thing that stopped that was his injury. SO I really don't know why some of the fans still think he's the problem. He's NOT.

I have to say this.....That drama with Steph would normally be be unbelievable to me except for one thing...this is the second time i heard of Steph bitching up when he stepped in **** he created.

If anyone has the desire to read Allen Iverson's book "Only the Strong", there is a story later on in the book of AI and Steph being at this party some years back, and Steph is hitting on this chick who has no interest at all...but Steph keeps hitting on her anyway. Anywho, this chick ends up being the girlfriend of some big time drug dealer in the area and Steph was scared ****less about what was gonna happen to him and Iverson actually had to step in on his behalf with this dude (this story was more meant to show Iverson's street cred in the book than to **** on Steph)...

Forgive me on the vagueness of the details but I read the book about a year ago and lent it to my brother and I haven't seen it since...I'll get the book back and get the story down pat when I get the chance.

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2/22/2006  12:44 PM
Posted by tomverve:

You're right dj, but that's just part of the bigger plan. Think about it. We're going to get KG, Miles, and Cuttino, without giving up JC. The idea is obviously to create warring factions of "best chums":

Steph/KG
Francis/Mobley
Q/Miles
Frye/Lee
Curry/JC

Then they all have a scintillating no holds barred battle royale in the lockerroom and the duo left standing is the one that doesn't get traded. The honorable referee will be Stephen A. Smith.

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2/22/2006  12:45 PM
smith is saying frye is gunna be an all-star in 3 years, but questioning if they should do the garnett deal
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2/22/2006  1:03 PM
Posted by tomverve:

SAS's job is to sell drama. Quite frankly, if he were more interested in facts than soap operas, I doubt he'd be YELLING ALL THE TIME.

So let me get this straight... Francis would not be happy in NY. Francis has been playing poorly lately because he is not happy in Orlando. Francis would not go to Denver, "even at gunpoint." WTF?

This just in... Francis is not happy to be alive. Rumor has it Marbury bought Francis a new car to welcome him to NY, which made Francis so unhappy that he broke into Steph's house and had to be restrained for 48 consecutive hours, in Steph's living room no less, by Dave Checketts and Ed Tapscott.

Whatever.

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2/22/2006  1:13 PM
Posted by martin:

OK, after 1 more minute of thought: I think this is a smoke screen and Isiah and SAS are laughing behind the scenes.

The Penny to ORL is to force either POR or DEN to lower their Lee demands. Or something like that.


I agree with that. I think a lot of people use Steven A. for misinformation/negotiation tactics.
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2/22/2006  1:15 PM
I think that if they do the Francis for Penny deal, it's made because Denver is asking too much for Kmart/Watson and the KG deal isn't gonna happen.

Obviously, this sets up Kmart or KG coming here over the summer for Jalen and maybe Francis and us taking some bad contracts to get Larry's big man of choice.
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2/22/2006  1:15 PM
Posted by VDesai:
Posted by martin:

OK, after 1 more minute of thought: I think this is a smoke screen and Isiah and SAS are laughing behind the scenes.

The Penny to ORL is to force either POR or DEN to lower their Lee demands. Or something like that.


I agree with that. I think a lot of people use Steven A. for misinformation/negotiation tactics.

yes, and especially Isiah.
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2/22/2006  1:17 PM
Posted by martin:
yes, and especially Isiah.

Hey Martin, did you really ban Knight? If so, was it because nysoldier had to be restrained for three hours in another forum because he wanted to strangle him?
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2/22/2006  1:20 PM
Posted by eViL:
Posted by martin:
yes, and especially Isiah.

Hey Martin, did you really ban Knight? If so, was it because nysoldier had to be restrained for three hours in another forum because he wanted to strangle him?

now THATS funny.
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2/22/2006  1:20 PM
It's a smart move on Isiah's part to get someone from the media on his side.
Too many members of the sports media hate the Knicks, but one of them can hold their own in a forum versus SAS. He brings it so that there is no bickering left to do.

I always liked SAS's style- and still do.
Plus, he's a Knick fan.
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