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djsunyc
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2/21/2006  1:40 PM
Posted by franco12:
Posted by djsunyc:

the only thing i can really question is why david lee doesn't get any minutes. everything else is somewhat ok b/c those rooks are heavily flawed. plus, you have to play some of the vets, not only b/c of their contract but b/c you're trying to trade them...which brings it back to the real reason we stink, the vets suck.

lb is right, when you play 4 or 5 rooks together, it's a recipe for failure. they need some help. they need to be eased into the situation. it's not like frye is getting darko'd. he plays...and he plays alot. but his constant foul trouble and the fact that he can't guard anyone cuts into his minutes.

What is Byron Scott doing with the Hornets? Who are the vets on that team? Aaron Williams, PJ Brown & Moochie Norris?

They're winning with young guys playing major minutes. Is chris paul better than everyone on our roster? Yes- but is are all the Hornets players better than everyone on our roster?

you said it. chris paul. he's better than any player we have on this team. he makes EVERYONE better ala kidd and nash. secondly, they have pj brown who, RIGHT NOW, is better than any frontcourt player we have.
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2/21/2006  1:51 PM
Anyone else notice how much BETTER detroit is AFTER LB?
no. What have they won yet? Lets see Flip's Pistons sweep the Spurs. Does anyone remember what underdogs the Pistons were in the Lakers series?

Please Larry has won EVERYWHERE he's been. Meanwhile the majority of our roster (aside from the rookies) has lost everywhere they have been. Hmm...

Nobody is saying Larry is perfect, but he is regarded around the league as one of the top 3 coaches. Meanwhile how is our roster and GM regarded around the league? Why do people only see what they want to see?
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2/21/2006  1:53 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

you said it. chris paul. he's better than any player we have on this team. he makes EVERYONE better ala kidd and nash. secondly, they have pj brown who, RIGHT NOW, is better than any frontcourt player we have.

hopefully you are saying this with toungue planted firmly in cheek.

[Edited by - rvhoss on 02-21-2006 2:01 PM]
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2/21/2006  1:59 PM
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Posted by fishmike:
Anyone else notice how much BETTER detroit is AFTER LB?
no. What have they won yet? Lets see Flip's Pistons sweep the Spurs. Does anyone remember what underdogs the Pistons were in the Lakers series?
they will, and it won't be the spurs, it'll be the mavs...did you see them demolish the western conference all stars on sunday?
Please Larry has won EVERYWHERE he's been. Meanwhile the majority of our roster (aside from the rookies) has lost everywhere they have been. Hmm...
It's like, whatever he's done in the past is totally ignorable...kind of like every other player when they get to the knicks...they suddenly suck.
Nobody is saying Larry is perfect, but he is regarded around the league as one of the top 3 coaches. Meanwhile how is our roster and GM regarded around the league?

Our roster was perceived as great before larry said it was flawed.

Like I said, LB is a great coach...but this years flop is squarly his and nobody elses.

This roster is as flawed as you thought it was when you thought we were a .500 team.

It's as if you believe in larry as much as I believe in Zeke.

Both of us are defending our boys...but 31 starting rotations...come on man, that's gotta be wierd...he didn't have that many ANY WHERE ELSE.
Why do people only see what they want to see?
I could ask you the same thing.


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2/21/2006  2:04 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Anyone else notice how much BETTER detroit is AFTER LB?
no. What have they won yet? Lets see Flip's Pistons sweep the Spurs. Does anyone remember what underdogs the Pistons were in the Lakers series?

Please Larry has won EVERYWHERE he's been. Meanwhile the majority of our roster (aside from the rookies) has lost everywhere they have been. Hmm...

Nobody is saying Larry is perfect, but he is regarded around the league as one of the top 3 coaches. Meanwhile how is our roster and GM regarded around the league? Why do people only see what they want to see?

He's also been forced out the door everywhere he's been after he grates on the management and players for about three years.

Also, the Pistons didn't sweep the Spurs, they lost in 7 games. That Lakers team was extremely overrated.
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2/21/2006  2:13 PM
Holla at your boy! LB has SUCKED this year, and to defend his 30 starting rotations and haphazard DNPs is as ludicrous as me defending the Jerome James signing.

It's just plain Biased.

Zeke's team had a better year last year and everyone was calling for his head, now those same people are defending larry with the 29th record in the league.

interesting. interesting.

Hmmm...I'm this close to pulling the race card. (kidding)
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2/21/2006  2:23 PM
Also, the Pistons didn't sweep the Spurs, they lost in 7 games. That Lakers team was extremely overrated.

The Mailman was also injured and out. Kobe and Shaq were about to kill each other.

I'm still glad the Pistons won. I can't stand Phil Jackson.

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2/21/2006  2:24 PM
Posted by oohah:
Also, the Pistons didn't sweep the Spurs, they lost in 7 games. That Lakers team was extremely overrated.

Kobe and Shaq were about to kill each other.

That's why they were overrated.
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2/21/2006  2:27 PM
The only reason the pistons lost last year was BECAUSE OF LB.
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2/21/2006  2:30 PM
Posted by rvhoss:

The only reason the pistons lost last year was BECAUSE OF LB.

how do you say that? Oh right, he forgot how to teach Weed how to rotate to the open man.
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2/21/2006  2:54 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by fishmike:
Anyone else notice how much BETTER detroit is AFTER LB?
no. What have they won yet? Lets see Flip's Pistons sweep the Spurs. Does anyone remember what underdogs the Pistons were in the Lakers series?

Please Larry has won EVERYWHERE he's been. Meanwhile the majority of our roster (aside from the rookies) has lost everywhere they have been. Hmm...

Nobody is saying Larry is perfect, but he is regarded around the league as one of the top 3 coaches. Meanwhile how is our roster and GM regarded around the league? Why do people only see what they want to see?

He's also been forced out the door everywhere he's been after he grates on the management and players for about three years.

Also, the Pistons didn't sweep the Spurs, they lost in 7 games. That Lakers team was extremely overrated.
Right... please let me know how a team that won b2b finals crushing both their opponents is overrated. The Pistons were like 5-1 dogs in the series. When I said swept I meant the Lakers but I forgot they actually won a game on that desperation 3.

I'm not saying LB is perfect or flawless, I'm not even saying he's done a good job this year. I am saying he's not the cause of this mess. He may not be the solution, but again. From the owner to the ball boys he's the only one in the entire organization that isnt a career NBA loser.

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2/21/2006  3:02 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Anyone else notice how much BETTER detroit is AFTER LB?
no. What have they won yet? Lets see Flip's Pistons sweep the Spurs. Does anyone remember what underdogs the Pistons were in the Lakers series?

Please Larry has won EVERYWHERE he's been. Meanwhile the majority of our roster (aside from the rookies) has lost everywhere they have been. Hmm...

Nobody is saying Larry is perfect, but he is regarded around the league as one of the top 3 coaches. Meanwhile how is our roster and GM regarded around the league? Why do people only see what they want to see?


Lets see. Larry has won. Everyone but our rookies has lost everywhere they have been. This thread is about why LB doesn't play the rookies, but instead plays all the washed up, talentless veterens that haven't won anywhere.

Hmm...
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2/21/2006  3:30 PM
the rookies ARE playing... just not as much as you would like. They are also making rookie mistakes. They get yanked. They sit and watch. Thats what rookies not named Paul, Lebron, Wade or Carmello go through. Thats how its always been. Wait till next year when they know whats expected of them, what to expect and how to play the NBA game and an NBA season.
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2/21/2006  3:42 PM
Posted by fishmike:

the rookies ARE playing... just not as much as you would like. They are also making rookie mistakes. They get yanked. They sit and watch. Thats what rookies not named Paul, Lebron, Wade or Carmello go through. Thats how its always been. Wait till next year when they know whats expected of them, what to expect and how to play the NBA game and an NBA season.

Chris Paul, Bogut, Luther Head, Charlie Villenueva, Raymond Felton and Deron Williams have all played more minutes than Frye (Frye is second in scoring and rebounding among all rookies) this year. All but Charlotte have a better record than us.

All the guys up there plus Jose Calderon, Sarunas J, Marvin Williams, Francisco Garcia and Jarrett Jack have played more than slam dunk champion Nate Robinson.

all the guys in those two lists plus Salim Stoudamire, Danny Granger, Joey Graham, Daniel Ewing, Orien Greene, Johan Petro and Rashad McCants have played more than David Lee. Lee leads the Knicks in rebounding rate.
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2/21/2006  3:55 PM
which one of those teams have a veteran making $10mm a year in front of them? Or $6mm a year? Or $15mm a year? Malik Rose, AD, Mo Taylor. Based on how many mistakes they make when they do play I think LB's done a pretty good job of feeding them minutes. What veterans with massive salaries are those guys taking minutes from?

I'm not saying I like it... I hated the BS trade that brough Mo T here, but he's here and he's going to get minutes. Deal with it, or hope you get a GM that doesnt add players like him. Or Malik. Or Jerome James (image if he was actually physically able to play, the rooks would never get off the bench)
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which one of those teams have a veteran making $10mm a year in front of them? Or $6mm a year? Or $15mm a year? Malik Rose, AD, Mo Taylor. Based on how many mistakes they make when they do play I think LB's done a pretty good job of feeding them minutes. What veterans with massive salaries are those guys taking minutes from?

I'm not sure I understand. What do salaries have to do with anything here? Unless you are saying LB is showcasing the vets to move their massive contracts? That is the only aspect I see how money should/could play a part in playing time.

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2/21/2006  4:05 PM
Posted by fishmike:

the rookies ARE playing... just not as much as you would like. They are also making rookie mistakes. They get yanked. They sit and watch.
Wow; you sound like me last year when I kept saying "Sweetney IS playing...just not as much as you would like. His defense is poor and he needs to improve his lateral speed and get in better shape. Otherwise he can sit and watch." You were taking the side of the argument you're now criticizing that he needed a min of 30 mpg so we could get a good evaluation of him even if he was out of shape

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2/21/2006  4:06 PM
Posted by fishmike:

which one of those teams have a veteran making $10mm a year in front of them? Or $6mm a year? Or $15mm a year? Malik Rose, AD, Mo Taylor. Based on how many mistakes they make when they do play I think LB's done a pretty good job of feeding them minutes. What veterans with massive salaries are those guys taking minutes from?

I'm not saying I like it... I hated the BS trade that brough Mo T here, but he's here and he's going to get minutes. Deal with it, or hope you get a GM that doesnt add players like him. Or Malik. Or Jerome James (image if he was actually physically able to play, the rooks would never get off the bench)

I understand what you're saying, but guys like Daniel Ewing are getting substantial time on a veteran Clippers team. Houston has plenty of Vets and Head is playing.

My main issue though, is the lack of roles for these guys. The lack of a consistant rotation and guys knowing their job night in and night out. If David Lee got 16mpg and it was pretty much the SAME 16mpg every night and had a consistent role to grow in, I'd be fine. But when it's one minute, 8 minutes, DNP, 20 minutes, it gets frustrating. Same with Frye. Give him a consistent role in the offense. Some games we post him up, some games he barely gets a shot off. One game Malik is starting, the next five he doesn't play. It's just frustrating to watch.

How many other teams are paying a coach $10 million to get some wins and consistency? Not many.
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2/21/2006  4:20 PM
Posted by fishmike:

which one of those teams have a veteran making $10mm a year in front of them? Or $6mm a year? Or $15mm a year? Malik Rose, AD, Mo Taylor. Based on how many mistakes they make when they do play I think LB's done a pretty good job of feeding them minutes. What veterans with massive salaries are those guys taking minutes from?

I'm not saying I like it... I hated the BS trade that brough Mo T here, but he's here and he's going to get minutes. Deal with it, or hope you get a GM that doesnt add players like him. Or Malik. Or Jerome James (image if he was actually physically able to play, the rooks would never get off the bench)

same reason why layden made chaney start eisley over ward and frank.
why othella and fatspoon were playing and sweetney was on IR.
gm's make big $$$ transactions and they have to get minutes to justify them.

it is BS like fish said but that's how it goes.
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2/21/2006  6:16 PM
Malik was making the same dough to sit and be a good influence on the Spurs- and given how little their team salary is- it would be justifiable to start him. But he was 12th man.

There is no reason for Malik to play 1 min of basketball this year.

What team that is interested in acquiring him actually cares if he can play or not? they would want his presence.

If anything, playing him decreases his value as its evident he can't play anymore.

I don't mind Mo Taylor playing- I don't mind him starting. Just establish a set role for Frye and Lee.

And AD could have sat on the inactive list all year and Toronto woulda made the trade all the same. Do they care if he can play or not?
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