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MX25
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2/15/2006  5:13 AM
Typical Isiah Move. Overpaid PG who shoots first and plays no deal.
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2/15/2006  5:26 AM
If you get Francis, a deal dfor a solid frontcourt player who plays D is a must (Like KMart)....Also depends on what you like more Jalen at the 3 (with Francis) or Jalen at the 2 (with a trade for Odom)....Francis is 2 yrs older but seems to have a better attitude to fit in in NY than Odom does, who seems to crawl into a shell in a major market sort of. You can tell me about Miami, but SO much noteriety was defelected to Wade down there, Odom sort of coasted.

If it was me, I would go after Martin and Odom instead of Francis. If we are giving up Penny and a young player I want an unprotected 1st rounder but I will settle for a top 2 protected pick in a Francis trade.

I still think Martin will be a Knick by the deadline, either in a deal for Jamal, Nate, and maybe Jerome James for Martin and Voshon or Penny and Ariza or Nate for KMart, Watson, and Lenard (both work under realgm) depending on the Orlando or LA trade.

[Edited by - joec32033 on 02-15-2006 05:27 AM]
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2/15/2006  8:09 AM
They will both wear the number three. Also, as suggested by djsunyc, the rules will be changed to allow two basketballs on the court.
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2/15/2006  8:13 AM
I'd be excited about the possibilities of Francis and Marbury together. Francis is SO much better than Crawford at everything (including defense). Those two players should be able to get every opponent in foul trouble. 15-20 FTAs and 14 assists per game for the two
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2/15/2006  8:16 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:

I'd be excited about the possibilities of Francis and Marbury together. Francis is SO much better than Crawford at everything (including defense). Those two players should be able to get every opponent in foul trouble. 15-20 FTAs and 14 assists per game for the two

thats what IT does, he creates excitement at the cost of sound management.
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2/15/2006  8:16 AM
Talent wise, this trade makes a lot of sense, especially if we don't give up Lee. I'm not sure exactly what the plan is for this team (uptempo? perimeter? post oriented?). But Francis is a legit 20-6-6 guy who finally would give us a scoring option that is equivalent to Marbury (which IMO, would make a huge difference in the way his game is percieved).
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2/15/2006  8:19 AM
Posted by VDesai:

Talent wise, this trade makes a lot of sense, especially if we don't give up Lee. I'm not sure exactly what the plan is for this team (uptempo? perimeter? post oriented?). But Francis is a legit 20-6-6 guy who finally would give us a scoring option that is equivalent to Marbury (which IMO, would make a huge difference in the way his game is percieved).

There is no plan. That's the problem.
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2/15/2006  8:25 AM
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by VDesai:

Talent wise, this trade makes a lot of sense, especially if we don't give up Lee. I'm not sure exactly what the plan is for this team (uptempo? perimeter? post oriented?). But Francis is a legit 20-6-6 guy who finally would give us a scoring option that is equivalent to Marbury (which IMO, would make a huge difference in the way his game is percieved).

There is no plan. That's the problem.

I agree, and this would only make it more confusing.
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2/15/2006  8:39 AM
Posted by SlimPack:
Posted by Bonn1997:

I'd be excited about the possibilities of Francis and Marbury together. Francis is SO much better than Crawford at everything (including defense). Those two players should be able to get every opponent in foul trouble. 15-20 FTAs and 14 assists per game for the two

thats what IT does, he creates excitement at the cost of sound management.

Why is it not sound to replace Jamal with Francis? What does Jamal do better than Francis that would lead a team with sound management to keep Jamal instead of Steve? It's not my first choice of use for Penny's expiring contract but I'd still have trouble criticizing the deal.


[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 02-15-2006 08:42 AM]
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2/15/2006  9:04 AM
How about this? We trade for Francis, and somehow land Mike Bibby. We can play Bibby at PG, Marbury at SG, and Francis as SF. That way we can have a team of complete duplicate parts. I mean, there all legit talents. Let's find a way to make it work.
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2/15/2006  9:06 AM
I don't understand this. We get another all-star type talent and people are against this? If we do get Francis and combine him with Marbury then Curry has to go. He will just clog up the middle for the Franchise and Starbury. We would need a Brad Miller type center to go along with Frye. We can stick Q1 in the SF spot and launch open 3s all game long.
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2/15/2006  9:09 AM
Posted by realhiphop:

How about this? We trade for Francis, and somehow land Mike Bibby. We can play Bibby at PG, Marbury at SG, and Francis as SF. That way we can have a team of complete duplicate parts. I mean, there all legit talents. Let's find a way to make it work.

The Pearl and Clyde were duplicate talents. Joe and Zeke and then the Microwave were all small guards. This can work. I have been critical with Marbury upon joining the Knicks due to his past escapades. He has turned me into a believer in that he sacrificed his scoring to ba an LB type player (PG). Let him do the same thing and have the Franchise score a bunch of points.
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2/15/2006  9:15 AM
Another year, another starphuch.
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2/15/2006  9:16 AM
My problem with obtaining Francis is that the Knicks still don't understand that we need DEFENSE...not more offense. I won't be too unhappy if Crawford is traded though, he has flashes but overall I think he will always have the problems he has now.
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2/15/2006  9:17 AM
I think the Knicks should continue to do several trades a year. As soon as they realize the new players they've gotten are not all they'd hoped they would be, they should do more trades.

I think it's good for the players to realize that they are not secure on this team and could be traded at any moment. It's good for team chemistry. I also think the Knicks should continue to have a new coach every year. Too much consistency can only hurt this team.

At no point should the coach be forced to work with what he's got and try to bring the best out of the players.
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2/15/2006  9:21 AM
Posted by Andrew:

My problem with obtaining Francis is that the Knicks still don't understand that we need DEFENSE...not more offense. I won't be too unhappy if Crawford is traded though, he has flashes but overall I think he will always have the problems he has now.

Andrew, i'd say that Francis is a better defender than Craw is. I think he's much more aggressive on D than Craw is. I also think he stays away from the bonehead plays that Craw makes sometimes in games.

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2/15/2006  9:29 AM
Posted by NYKBocker:

I don't understand this. We get another all-star type talent and people are against this? If we do get Francis and combine him with Marbury then Curry has to go. He will just clog up the middle for the Franchise and Starbury. We would need a Brad Miller type center to go along with Frye. We can stick Q1 in the SF spot and launch open 3s all game long.

The closest thing to a Brad Miller type center we can find might just be Frye.
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2/15/2006  9:32 AM
Posted by TheloniusMonk:

Andrew, i'd say that Francis is a better defender than Craw is. I think he's much more aggressive on D than Craw is. I also think he stays away from the bonehead plays that Craw makes sometimes in games.

Oh...I agree 100% and I would welcome the switch from that standpoint. But, from a playoff/championship building standpoint it seems like a very lateral move

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2/15/2006  9:48 AM
we're not making the playoffs or contending for the championship this year regardless... you make this trade, get the better player, & then figure out the team balance in the offseason... you don't get opportunities to get star calibre players like this often... Francis still will garner alot more in a trade than Crawford will in the future.
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2/15/2006  10:00 AM
somebody made a post a few days ago but this team needs to first figure out a style of play and THEN get the players for it. if they bring in franchise, then they're better off becoming an uptempo jocking team where steph + francis get the greenlight and we get some bigs to do the dirty work below. asking steph + francis to be a part of some 4 pass system where everyone touches the ball is just a total misuse of their talents. you can go get players making less than half of what they're doing to do the same thing.

francis & marbury backcourt? has anything changed in this organization? anything at all?
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