Posted by joec32033:

Posted by holfresh:

Posted by SkyWalker:

I don't understand why David Lee can't trun into a monster at the power forward spot. The guys is more of a natural power forward. It looks like he has the frame to add substantial muscle and really bulk up. He has proved already he is capable of making an outside shot. He can dribble the ball. He can get the ball in the low post and face other power forwards and take them off the dribble with either hand. David is gifted athletically as well and is a tremendous rebounder. Why are we not trying to bulk him up and turn him into a monster around the basket. If he can all of a sudden start knocking down 20 footers then he can definitely learn some effective post moves. I don't care if that is Frye's position. Let them both develop at the 4 and then we'll deal with it. Lee can be an incredible asset at the power forward. He can really be a force in transition on the boards and he definitely has potential to learn post moves. Let him just work every day in practice and with coaches and on his own and get this done. The Knicks are fooling themselves if they think Lee can play small forward. that is a joke. He can get away with playing there for a little but over time he will just get exposed and he wont be used to his best abilities. Develop him the way that he can excel the best and then deal with it.

You think DLee can guard Sheed, Duncan, Garnett, Kmart,J Oneil,E Brand,C Bosh,Z Randolf, etc...They give him time now at the sml fwd because he needs time on the court but as you say he is being exposed there as well....Lee and Frye really needs to bulk up big time next year...Frye has a sml time low post game that can get better if he increases his strength...I think Frye has more upside..Well so does the rest of the world except people in these post.....

I think Lee may be able to Kmart (who doesn't belong in this group of players) and Randolph who is your basic above average PF...but do you realize --other than Brand all of these guys are 6-11-- and as athletic as hell--other than Randolph who isn't that athletic-- and are THE toughest matchups in the league?

Well If Lee is playing the 4s in this league thats who he will have to face.....Thats the top 8 there, I'm sure I can find two more....But he has to play those guys...What are you going say...He will do ok if he doesn't have to guard those guys? This is the NBA....Let's not forget Nowitski,Amare Stou,Odom....There are no night offs, you can't hide.....



[Edited by - holfresh on 02-12-2006 12:11 AM]

Posted by EnySpree:

Defense wins championships.....yeah I heard that said by all the great players in the game. Its true, but they mean that in crunch time. All the good teams get the stops. But those same teams can get that tough basket in the clutch too.

Posted by holfresh:

Posted by joec32033:

Posted by holfresh:

Posted by SkyWalker:

I don't understand why David Lee can't trun into a monster at the power forward spot. The guys is more of a natural power forward. It looks like he has the frame to add substantial muscle and really bulk up. He has proved already he is capable of making an outside shot. He can dribble the ball. He can get the ball in the low post and face other power forwards and take them off the dribble with either hand. David is gifted athletically as well and is a tremendous rebounder. Why are we not trying to bulk him up and turn him into a monster around the basket. If he can all of a sudden start knocking down 20 footers then he can definitely learn some effective post moves. I don't care if that is Frye's position. Let them both develop at the 4 and then we'll deal with it. Lee can be an incredible asset at the power forward. He can really be a force in transition on the boards and he definitely has potential to learn post moves. Let him just work every day in practice and with coaches and on his own and get this done. The Knicks are fooling themselves if they think Lee can play small forward. that is a joke. He can get away with playing there for a little but over time he will just get exposed and he wont be used to his best abilities. Develop him the way that he can excel the best and then deal with it.

You think DLee can guard Sheed, Duncan, Garnett, Kmart,J Oneil,E Brand,C Bosh,Z Randolf, etc...They give him time now at the sml fwd because he needs time on the court but as you say he is being exposed there as well....Lee and Frye really needs to bulk up big time next year...Frye has a sml time low post game that can get better if he increases his strength...I think Frye has more upside..Well so does the rest of the world except people in these post.....

I think Lee may be able to Kmart (who doesn't belong in this group of players) and Randolph who is your basic above average PF...but do you realize --other than Brand all of these guys are 6-11-- and as athletic as hell--other than Randolph who isn't that athletic-- and are THE toughest matchups in the league?

Well If Lee is playing the 4s in this league thats who he will have to face.....Thats the top 8 there, I'm sure I can find two more....But he has to play those guys...What are you going say...He will do ok if he doesn't have to guard those guys? This is the NBA....Let's not forget Nowitski,Amare Stou,Odom....There are no night offs, you can't hide.....



[Edited by - holfresh on 02-12-2006 12:11 AM]

No...that is not what I am saying at all..those top 8 PF's represent the biggest challence in all of basketball...Duncan plays center sometimes, Sheed can play 3 positions, Garnett can play all 5....any average PF will have problems with these guys...why not say well, Raja Bell can't play the 2 guard because he can't defend Kobe, Wade, Lebron (if he plays there), Tmac, Pierce, and Carter....it makes noe sense because normal starting caliber NBA guard will have a problem defending ANY one of the top 8 players at any given position.

Lee can be a starting quality SF/PF in this league. Do I think he will be the best, no. But I think at his cieling you can expect something like a Reuben Patterson (except taller and without the criminal activity) type of game.

Posted by EnySpree:

Defense wins championships but you still need to score or you wanna even be in a winning situation.

Even the bad boy pistons could score with the best of them.

Defense wins championships.....yeah I heard that said by all the great players in the game. Its true, but they mean that in crunch time. All the good teams get the stops. But those same teams can get that tough basket in the clutch too.

So think for yourself for once and stop following what you hear a famous coach/player say.

Mck1 that's for you.

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by EnySpree:

Defense wins championships.....yeah I heard that said by all the great players in the game. Its true, but they mean that in crunch time. All the good teams get the stops. But those same teams can get that tough basket in the clutch too.

we can't even get to crunch time. the bulk of our games were over midway through the 3rd quarter...

Clutch moments are not just at the end. For one the game of basketball is a up and down game. The knicks just do not know how to rally together when the other team is rolling. Its like they stop playing and just go into panic. We've seen it happen so often.

I just trying to say its not all about defense. The knicks gotta get their offensive plan in motion so they can attack with the ball. I feel once any team can do that everything else is easy. Defense will come but before defense the team must be on point offensively.

Posted by joec32033:

Posted by McK1:

Posted by EnySpree:

Defense wins championships but you still need to score or you wanna even be in a winning situation.

Even the bad boy pistons could score with the best of them.

Defense wins championships.....yeah I heard that said by all the great players in the game. Its true, but they mean that in crunch time. All the good teams get the stops. But those same teams can get that tough basket in the clutch too.

So think for yourself for once and stop following what you hear a famous coach/player say.

Mck1 that's for you.

spree you may be a fantasy bball genious but this is the actual professional game we are talking about.

How about you go back through the last 25 years and find out what was the defensive rank of the teams that won it all.

Actually, starting with the bad boy Pistons, it went Pistons, Bulls, Rockets, Bulls, San Antonio, Lakers for a year or 2, then Detroit. Only the Lakers really couldn't be considered a great defensive team. The Bulls had 3 ALL NBA defensive Players through both it's runs (first MJ, Pippen and Horace, then MJ, Pippen, and Rodman). The Rockets had Hakeem, and a bunch of great role players (Cassell, Kenny Smith, Vernon Maxwell) and the NY, houston series was long rearded as a great defensive battle that made for ugly TV. SA is a slowball, defensive oriented team, as were/are the Pistons...

Before that the league was ALL about offense with bird and Magic dominating the league for like 9 or 10 years (I think Bird was drafted in '78 and Magic in '79)

[Edited by - joec32033 on 02-12-2006 12:35 AM]

Posted by BRIGGS:

the idiocy of not protecting these picks or holding on to Trevor Ariza will go down in knick history-------- has a solid chance to be THE worst move ever made.

This will set the franchise back 5-7 years. Look at what happened to the Celtics when they tragically lost Len Bias, you cant give up high picks.

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 02-12-2006 08:15 AM]