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Knight
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2/4/2006  2:32 PM
1) It is noboby's fault that we have a new coach who has to get to know a new cast of players which includes many inexperienced young players. It takes time to know the players and get the most out of them. Just consider the Marbury case--he and LB finally seem to have found the right balance.

2) You didn't acknowledge the problem of players learning to play with new players. Larry has changed lineups many times and that's a result of learning about the different players, their combinations, and injuries of course. Not to mention that he may bench players who do not execute the way the team needs them to to win. It does appear to be excessive but it's hard to fault LB for having to try different lineups.

3) The system is called sharing the ball, getting good shots, working inside/outside, not turning the ball over, creating turnovers, staying in front of your guy on defense, rebounding, and effort.

4) Maybe if the rookies did this, maybe if the rookies did that...the fact is that being a rookie in the NBA is difficult and asking them to step right in and beat established veterans is asking alot.

5) NY is a tough place to play since you are under so much media attention and scrutiny. That in itself is enough to make a player choke. It's hard on a team when you know every mistake you make will be tomorrow's headline. The frustration builds.

6) The Knicks were bad before the lawsuits, but all these distractions are more obstacles that prevent the team from finally forming some sense of unity and normality.

I can't believe you don't think all of these considerations have not been significant contributors to our poor record. I guess if we had a good coach we would be alot better this year.

[Edited by - Knight on 02-04-2006 2:34 PM]
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2/4/2006  2:33 PM
Posted by oohah:
I would have been embarrassed to sign my name after those comments.

Yet you sign your name after all that other stuff...

OH MAH GAWD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! oohah finally forgot to say oohah!!!!!! Ive been waiting for this for a loooooooong time. Jeez, I need a life.
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2/4/2006  2:36 PM
OH MAH GAWD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! oohah finally forgot to say oohah!!!!!! Ive been waiting for this for a loooooooong time. Jeez, I need a life.

Actually I just did that for fun. But I fixed it for you.

oohah

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2/4/2006  2:59 PM
1) It is noboby's fault that we have a new coach who has to get to know a new cast of players which includes many inexperienced young players. It takes time to know the players and get the most out of them. Just consider the Marbury case--he and LB finally seem to have found the right balance.

So Marbury, ten years in the league, is your case study of an inexperienced young player that LB had to develop? It is LB's fault that he could not get the production out of Marbury until recently that every other coach has until recently.

2) You didn't acknowledge the problem of players learning to play with new players. Larry has changed lineups many times and that's a result of learning about the different players, their combinations, and injuries of course.

It is the coaches job to get the team to play together. Here we are more than halfway through the season, and the players are still strangers.

Not to mention that he may bench players who do not execute the way the team needs them to to win. It does appear to be excessive but it's hard to fault LB for having to try different lineups.

It is easy to find fault when he starts Rose and Ad and they are inferior players to the guys behind them. In many cases, the bench has been better than the starters. but it doesn't matter because just about any player could be a starter or get a DNP at any time.

3) The system is called sharing the ball, getting good shots, working inside/outside, not turning the ball over, creating turnovers, staying in front of your guy on defense, rebounding, and effort.

So you still can't identify the system? Niether can I. You are asking for all these things when the playing system and the rotations change every game. That is very hard.

4) Maybe if the rookies did this, maybe if the rookies did that...the fact is that being a rookie in the NBA is difficult and asking them to step right in and beat established veterans is asking alot.

When did I write: "Maybe if the rookies..."?

The rookies have been pretty good this year. Lee has deserved A LOT more time than Rose and Frye should have been starting since mid-November. They both have already beaten the established veterans in front of them. NR has been excellent and terrible at times. They have all been jerked around unjustly.

5) NY is a tough place to play since you are under so much media attention and scrutiny. That in itself is enough to make a player choke. It's hard on a team when you know every mistake you make will be tomorrow's headline. The frustration builds.

How is it choking when you are losing by twenty so often? Seems like the coach is choking to me. Yes, playing in NYC is more pressure than playing in Milwaukee. In any case, you still haven't explained how NYC is making the Knicks lose.

6) The Knicks were bad before the lawsuits, but all these distractions are more obstacles that prevent the team from finally forming some sense of unity and normality.

Yeah, they were going to come together in the last 2 weeks, but the lawsuits stopped them. Do you hear yourself?

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Yeah, you sure made me look like a fool.

I can't believe you don't think all of these considerations have not been significant contributors to our poor record. I guess if we had a good coach we would be alot better this year.

That was never my point. I never wrote anything like that. Reading is fundamental. You are just making that up in order to have something to say.

A recap:

I simply stated that the Knicks would be worse than the expansion Bobcats if Okafor were not out for half the season. Your reply was that the Knicks had a lot of excuses too. My reply to that was two of the excuses could be attributed to LB's playing style. Your reply was that you would be embarassed to sign your name after those comments.

So in other words, you don't think LB is at fault. Well I do. In my opinion his performance has been at about the level of Malik Rose's.

oohah



[Edited by - oohah on 02-04-2006 3:00 PM]
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2/4/2006  3:04 PM
^Now you're just grasping at any little thing just to try to make an argument out of it. BTW, you said if the rookies could get consistent playing time then maybe they could put it together on the floor. I don't need to make a fool out of you, you have already accomplished that. And you can quote me on that.
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2/4/2006  3:13 PM
^Now you're just grasping at any little thing just to try to make an argument out of it.

What little thing? WTF are you talking about? I am just breaking sh!t down out of your "argument".

BTW, you said if the rookies could get consistent playing time then maybe they could put it together on the floor.

Uh huh, whatever you say. Not just the rookies, the whole team.
I don't need to make a fool out of you, you have already accomplished that. And you can quote me on that.

A fool indeed. You should stick to parroting from your "how to be a right-winger" booklet, and leave the basketball discussion to those with the knowledge to do so.

Thanks for your permission. I will quote you when I need an example of ignorance.

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[Edited by - oohah on 02-04-2006 3:14 PM]
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2/4/2006  3:17 PM
So Marbury, ten years in the league, is your case study of an inexperienced young player that LB had to develop?

That's an example of you just twisting words around in a weak attempt at a counter argument.
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2/4/2006  3:20 PM
Now that Rose will play SF, Lee and Frye should get most of the minutes at PF, and Rose and Taylor should sit.
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2/4/2006  3:23 PM
Posted by Rich:

Now that Rose will play SF, Lee and Frye should get most of the minutes at PF, and Rose and Taylor should sit.

Doesn't that make you worry about rebounds, physlcal play under the boards, D, etc.?
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2/4/2006  3:23 PM
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So Marbury, ten years in the league, is your case study of an inexperienced young player that LB had to develop?
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That's an example of you just twisting words around in a weak attempt at a counter argument.

Really? Then why did you use Marbury as your example right after describing the Knick's problems of youth and inexperience?:

1) It is noboby's fault that we have a new coach who has to get to know a new cast of players which includes many inexperienced young players. It takes time to know the players and get the most out of them. Just consider the Marbury case--he and LB finally seem to have found the right balance.

There really is no argument to counter. I am just pointing out nonsense.

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2/4/2006  3:24 PM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by Rich:

Now that Rose will play SF, Lee and Frye should get most of the minutes at PF, and Rose and Taylor should sit.

Doesn't that make you worry about rebounds, physlcal play under the boards, D, etc.?

Lee is the best rebounder of the four, and Frye needs to learn.
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2/4/2006  3:25 PM
Posted by oohah:
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So Marbury, ten years in the league, is your case study of an inexperienced young player that LB had to develop?
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That's an example of you just twisting words around in a weak attempt at a counter argument.

Really? Then why did you use Marbury as your example right after describing the Knick's problems of youth and inexperience?:

1) It is noboby's fault that we have a new coach who has to get to know a new cast of players which includes many inexperienced young players. It takes time to know the players and get the most out of them. Just consider the Marbury case--he and LB finally seem to have found the right balance.

There really is no argument to counter. I am just pointing out nonsense.

oohah

Wow, you really have trouble with reading comprehension.
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2/4/2006  3:34 PM
Wow, you really have trouble with reading comprehension.

Now you are parroting me. Ran out of "points" Knight? Finishing where you started, with more insults eh?

Why don't you stick with what you do best, like insulting soldiers at war, or characterizing Lesbians as evil, and hurricane victims as savages?

As far as I can tell, your heart is the same color as "Knight".

You should just leave me alone "Knight from the Right", on your best day I read, write, and most importantly, THINK circles around you.

Piss off.

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2/4/2006  3:36 PM
Posted by oohah:
Wow, you really have trouble with reading comprehension.

Now you are parroting me. Ran out of "points" Knight? Finishing where you started, with more insults eh?

Why don't you stick with what you do best, like insulting soldiers at war, or characterizing Lesbians as evil, and hurricane victims as savages?

As far as I can tell, your heart is the same color as "Knight".

You should just leave me alone "Knight from the Right", on your best day I read, write, and most importantly, THINK circles around you.

Piss off.

oohah


Oohah, here's a reading tip, if you read something that doesn't make any sense to you, try re-reading it in a way that does make sense--which is probably how the author intended it--rather than pretending the author is retarded in a feeble attempt to make yourself look superior.
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2/4/2006  3:38 PM
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You should just leave me alone "Knight from the Right", on your best day I read, write, and most importantly, THINK circles around you.

Piss off.

oohah

That was certainly thoughtful and eloquently written.

Superstar!
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2/4/2006  3:42 PM
Oohah, here's a reading tip, if you read something that doesn't make any sense to you, try re-reading it in a way that does make sense--which is probably how the author intended it--rather than pretending the author is retarded in a feeble attempt to make yourself look superior.

I thought I said "Piss Off".

Anyway, the only thing feeble was your paragraph. "Try re-reading it in a way that makes sense?" In what way did you mean it? Under one numbered point you state that the Knicks are new and inexperienced, and your example was Marbury.

It was simply a poorly thought out paragraph. Don't blame the reader.

Here is a writing tip:

1) Think.
2) Write.

You should try it occasionally, it really helps.

oohah

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Knight
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2/4/2006  3:45 PM
Posted by oohah:
Oohah, here's a reading tip, if you read something that doesn't make any sense to you, try re-reading it in a way that does make sense--which is probably how the author intended it--rather than pretending the author is retarded in a feeble attempt to make yourself look superior.

I thought I said "Piss Off".

Anyway, the only thing feeble was your paragraph. "Try re-reading it in a way that makes sense?" In what way did you mean it? Under one numbered point you state that the Knicks are new and inexperienced, and your example was Marbury.

It was simply a poorly thought out paragraph. Don't blame the reader.

Here is a writing tip:

1) Think.
2) Write.

You should try it occasionally, it really helps.

oohah

You know on American Idol when someone is convinced they can sing...and they are only one convinced?
"He only went to Georgia Tech for one year, and that's an engineering school." -LB
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2/4/2006  3:52 PM
That was certainly thoughtful and eloquently written.

Superstar!

Snyde commentary and insults are really all you are about huh?

You know on American Idol when someone is convinced they can sing...and they are only one convinced?

I don't watch American Idol.

But I do know that your contributions to this board are rarely basketball related. You are one of those people who act like jerks and insult people constantly on internet boards because you are anonymous. You don't care if the attention you get is negative because people don't pay attention to you in real life, and any form of attention makes you happy.

And that is a fact.

oohah

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2/4/2006  4:06 PM
Snyde

Do you mean "snide"?
commentary

Are you referring to the fact that you remind me of Mary Catherine Gallagher?
and

A conjunction, wow, you are one complex thinker!
insults

Superstar!
are

"are" you done quoting yet?
really

Really...it's annoying.
all

"All"...here comes a bold statement!
you

Uh oh, this is getting personal...
are

Another "are", I can't stand such repitition!
about

I'm "about" to "piss off", don't worry...
huh?

Exactly.


Superstar!


[Edited by - Knight on 02-04-2006 4:10 PM]
"He only went to Georgia Tech for one year, and that's an engineering school." -LB
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2/4/2006  4:07 PM
Oohah amd Knight,

I wish the Knick players had 1/10th the tenacity that you two have.
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