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1/27/2006  3:29 PM
Posted by islesfan:

Trust me, the day Isiah is fired is the day I tone down the rhetoric. Unless they hire some other idiot.


With Dolan making the hire, what do you expect?
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1/27/2006  3:34 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
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Curry, Frye, Lee, and Nate are pieces to build around. Steph's value has been demonstrated during his injury.

The biggest problem with this franchise is still Dolan.

well, we should have some pieces, i mean we have spent how much money in the last two years--we have a 125mm$ payroll, on top oif it we were willing to take back players with questionable health curry-q when no one else was likely touching them weve always overpaid with picks the team has been thrown together by pieces, not by a team concept and the IQ of the players is generally low
isiah has spent more money in his two years--then most GM spend in 5-6 years

and for all that money spent where are we? we are deep it in with no site of land.

If we let AD and Penny expire, with Houston coming off the cap in March, by the draft the team's payroll is down to $73 million. Not great, but lower than the Pacers, 76ers, Mavs.

I still don't buy that there is no land in sight, either. We have talent. We need more and we need time for it to gel. I'm willing to give Isiah this trade deadline to try and improve the team, either by acquiring picks or talent.
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1/27/2006  3:42 PM
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>djsunyc - after 2 1/2 years, yes, i believe isiah should be on the way out...especially with the bad pr of the moment.

djsu - you KNOW I love you like a red-headed step cousin on my Daddy's side, but Isiah has not been here 2 1/2 years. He was hired in December of 2003. That's two years and a skootch over a month. Oh yeah, I'm holding a ticket for you on Monday in the ATL.

Besides, who do you want to replace Zeke with?

Don't you smell soemthing is up with Kevein garnett?

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1/27/2006  3:49 PM
>islesfan - Trust me, the day Isiah is fired is the day I tone down the rhetoric. Unless they hire some other idiot.

How do you define "some other idiot"?

Who exactly is on that list?

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1/27/2006  3:56 PM
Posted by islesfan:
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ISLESFAN they asked you 3 times who should replace isiah and you ignored it all the time. Typical complainer-hindsight is 20/20. You afraid of being ridiculed for your answer? PUT UP OR SHUT UP.

I want someone with a realistic and well thought out rebuilding plan.

Someone who will acquire top draft picks instead of trade them away.

I want someone who can understand the that salary cap is a part of the NBA and will look to get under the cap in order to create financial flexibility instead of someone who completely disregards the cap and added another $40MM to where Layden had us over the cap.

I want someone who will use the MLE to sign up and coming young players instead of older vets who either have no game or are past their primes.

I want someone who will look to trade for younger veterans who will grow with the nucleus instead of acuiring older veterans who have no future with the team other than taking minutes away from younger players with upside.

I want someone who doesn't need the spotlight and worries more about how he is doing his job than how he is being perceived at how he is doing his job.

I want someone who will be accessible when things are going bad and the team is going through the inevitable growing pains and doesn't run and hide on "scouting trips" when things get tough.

I want someone who will stand behind his players when they morally do the right thing instead of siding with the NBA against them.

And last but not least, I want someone who won't continually embarrass the team that we root for. And I'm not just talking about the current situation. Although someone who keeps his hands to himself would be a good thing too.

As for a specific person, that's what the interview process is for. Now STFU.

Isles,

I read your description and have the man for you.........

The Buddy Jesus!
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1/27/2006  3:58 PM
Posted by misterearl:

>islesfan - Trust me, the day Isiah is fired is the day I tone down the rhetoric. Unless they hire some other idiot.

How do you define "some other idiot"?

Who exactly is on that list?

you see this is exactly why I stoped pushing for isiah to be fired. if we hire someone else how? I agree with islesfan's criterea but the problem is will dolan ever allow that? isiah is a really good drafter if we fire him and replace him with someone else that person will most likely not be as good a drafter and will still be forced by dolan to make the same win now franchise crippling moves.
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1/27/2006  3:59 PM
Nalod - well done. That should makes Islesfan plenty happy.

Expect a miracle

Watch Isiah swing a deal for Kevin Garnett in the next two weeks

You heard it here first.
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1/27/2006  4:00 PM
Posted by misterearl:

Nalod - well done. That should makes Islesfan plenty happy.

Expect a miracle

Watch Isiah swing a deal for Kevin Garnett in the next two weeks

You heard it here first.

Who do you see going for him?
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1/27/2006  4:00 PM
Posted by misterearl:

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>djsunyc - after 2 1/2 years, yes, i believe isiah should be on the way out...especially with the bad pr of the moment.

djsu - you KNOW I love you like a red-headed step cousin on my Daddy's side, but Isiah has not been here 2 1/2 years. He was hired in December of 2003. That's two years and a skootch over a month. Oh yeah, I'm holding a ticket for you on Monday in the ATL.

Besides, who do you want to replace Zeke with?

Don't you smell soemthing is up with Kevein garnett?


yes, it hasn't been 2 1/2 years. but it has been 2...coming on 3 trading deadlines. 2 drafts and 2 offseasons.

i like some of the things he's done but i don't like some of them either. we can keep going with him but his trade history, in my eyes, is VERY checkered. the faith in him is just not fully there.

as for whom to bring in? i don't know. but they'll have to take their time and find the right guy. i can't say who that is but it has to be someone with a vision and has to have someone to help him. if he has a trade proposal, i want someone else there that would say if it's good or not. it looks like isiah has autonomy and mills doesn't have enough bball knowledge (on the court) to know what would work or not. we need something like a bird/walsh partnership to bounce stuff off each other. who those people are, i really don't know.

he laughed about chaney's firing on david letterman.
he threatened a reporter on the radio.
he says stuff like "we don't roll like that" when asked about trading steph.
and now these allegations.

i don't want the face of the team (and he is the face) to operate like that. we need a guy that's going to be behind the scenes just doing his job.
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1/27/2006  4:13 PM
That's such BS to say that things may not be better with whoever Dolan might replace Isiah with so we might as well continue to sink with him.

I understand that we're stuck with Dolan until Daddy takes the team away from him but we're not stuck with Isiah. The only way to make Dolan understand is to not just sit and accept the crap that he keeps giving us. I don't remember anyone saying this garbage when Layden was here.
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1/27/2006  4:19 PM
>he laughed about chaney's firing on david letterman.

David Letterman made the remark about Chaney being a goner. He is a funny guy. I laughed too

>he threatened a reporter on the radio.

Like Bill Parcells never threatened a reporter in a press conference. Why does Parcells become a feared cult figure and Isiah branded a criminal?

>he says stuff like "we don't roll like that" when asked about trading steph.

And Herm said, "you PLAY to win the game"

>and now these allegations.

What you said. Allegations. Do you REALLLY think Zeke was spending time referring teams to strip clubs?

dj- You coming on Monday or what? I got the first round.

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1/27/2006  4:20 PM
Posted by islesfan:

That's such BS to say that things may not be better with whoever Dolan might replace Isiah with so we might as well continue to sink with him.

I understand that we're stuck with Dolan until Daddy takes the team away from him but we're not stuck with Isiah. The only way to make Dolan understand is to not just sit and accept the crap that he keeps giving us. I don't remember anyone saying this garbage when Layden was here.

that's because when Layden was here, we sucked with one of the oldest, shortest, slowest, least athletic rosters in the league that only managed to stay close with some good three point shooters.

now, we have one of the youngest groups and we have a lot of athletic players in that group. The main thing that gives me hope is that he have two 22/23 yr old 6'11" players who complement one another and have a chance to be all-star level players. They're both averaging 15ppg and 6rpg despite the fact that both are still learning, there've been a slew of injuries for Curry and inconsistent minutes for Frye. We haven't had young talent like that in a while.

That's a huge difference. Losing with Frye and Curry is tolerable as long as they are making progress. Losing with Spoon and Othella HArrington is intolerable.
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1/27/2006  4:21 PM
Posted by misterearl:

>he laughed about chaney's firing on david letterman.

David Letterman made the remark about Chaney being a goner. He is a funny guy. I laughed too

>he threatened a reporter on the radio.

Like Bill Parcells never threatened a reporter in a press conference. Why does Parcells become a feared cult figure and Isiah branded a criminal?

>he says stuff like "we don't roll like that" when asked about trading steph.

And Herm said, "you PLAY to win the game"

>and now these allegations.

What you said. Allegations. Do you REALLLY think Zeke was spending time referring teams to strip clubs?

dj- You coming on Monday or what? I got the first round.

haha - i wish i could but my name isn't p diddy and i can't fly all over the world and party. i actually have to go to work like every other poor soul. but if i ever make it to hotlanta, we will hit up the game. we're also expecting a "LIVE from the end of the hawks bench..." report (b/c you could probably get seats there as well).
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1/27/2006  4:31 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by islesfan:

That's such BS to say that things may not be better with whoever Dolan might replace Isiah with so we might as well continue to sink with him.

I understand that we're stuck with Dolan until Daddy takes the team away from him but we're not stuck with Isiah. The only way to make Dolan understand is to not just sit and accept the crap that he keeps giving us. I don't remember anyone saying this garbage when Layden was here.

that's because when Layden was here, we sucked with one of the oldest, shortest, slowest, least athletic rosters in the league that only managed to stay close with some good three point shooters.

now, we have one of the youngest groups and we have a lot of athletic players in that group. The main thing that gives me hope is that he have two 22/23 yr old 6'11" players who complement one another and have a chance to be all-star level players. They're both averaging 15ppg and 6rpg despite the fact that both are still learning, there've been a slew of injuries for Curry and inconsistent minutes for Frye. We haven't had young talent like that in a while.

That's a huge difference. Losing with Frye and Curry is tolerable as long as they are making progress. Losing with Spoon and Othella HArrington is intolerable.

Exactly; that doesn't mean we should tolerate losing forever but we should see how these young players develop when they reach their peaks.
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1/27/2006  4:39 PM
Bonn - patience is a difficult thing to measure. I enjoy watching Frye, Lee, Nate, Qyntel make their first baby steps. Even Mo Taylor has become a Renaissance Man. No one likes losing but what GM is everyone clamoring for?

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Dumars Brown AMD Flip AND Carlisle
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1/27/2006  5:01 PM
Posted by misterearl:

Bonn - patience is a difficult thing to measure. I enjoy watching Frye, Lee, Nate, Qyntel make their first baby steps. Even Mo Taylor has become a Renaissance Man. No one likes losing but what GM is everyone clamoring for?

Pop Quiz

do you think the 2006 Pistons are the result of Joe Dumars and Larry Brown or Joe Dumars and Flip Sanders?

Probably all three. Flip's got them playing great offense but I think they learned a lot about defense from Larry. (Bip's posted about this a lot before.)
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1/27/2006  5:07 PM
Posted by Marv:

Dumars Brown AMD Flip AND Carlisle

don't forget Michael Jordan who thought Richard Hamilton would never "get it."
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1/27/2006  5:09 PM
>Marv - Who do you see going for (Garnett)?

Marv - I'm glad you axed that question. I'm so tired of the redundant personal attacks. Okay, let's talk some basketball and first determine where Garnett fits within the Knicks Yoot Movement.

He doesn't. But that doesn't make him any less valable at this stage of his ring-less career. He would thrive on Broadway.

Having said that, I like Curry as a long term anchor who will only improve from where he is at only 23. He stays.

You can't teach height, and impeccable character, that's why I'm reluctant to part with Frye. He is Tim Duncan after two more years of seasoning and facing down the NBA death march schedule. No question. Is Frye a dealbreaker? Tough call. But you gotta give to get.

Qyntel is a rare find who can play three positions. Give him a mentor, a dose of confidence, a dose of humility, Summer League and a training camp and people will be looking for his jersey in the NBA Store by 2008. he stays, just because.

Keep David Lee. Just because he is the type of blue collar dude every team needs. Besides, how many blue collar dudes have his hops? Minnesota may demad him. If so, he goes too. But it would hurt.

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1/27/2006  5:25 PM
Whine, Cry, Plea but at the end of the day you diss Isiah but have nothing to say about who should replace him !!
Isiah Thomas will lead us back to the playoffs in 2006 !!!
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