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islesfan
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1/25/2006  12:40 PM
Posted by Rich:
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I just saw her on Ch.2. She's tripping.
http://ultimateknicks.com/forum/post.asp?method=ReplyQuote&r=218790&t=14010&page=2

what she say? Weird that she would turn to the media. Not good for either side I think.

Nothing new was said. I'm just basing my conclusion on her demeanor in a prior interview, and that, imo, she appears to be "eminently resistable."

So that means that it's ok to sexually harrass her? Or that her claims have no merit? Or that it's ok to call her a "b*tch"?

You know, "eminently resistable" have rights too.
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1/25/2006  12:55 PM
Hey, lots of dudes like the bigger lady!

I give Dolan a pass on this one cuz he runs the whole thing. Sort of. Mills is the head guy in that office and he will have a hand in all this.

I like the preemtive firing after good documentation. We document when employees are not up to the task and then present it black and white. I have had attractive women working for me and under no circumstances do I close my door when meeting one on one, nor socialize outside unless they are with a partner and I am with either a coleague or my wife. I have seen too much problems born form even innocent interactions and prefer not to even "go there".

I hate firing anyone, but treat them badly and the hate just flows. If they don't want to face up to their eneptitude then they must find blame somewhere. Guess who gets it? The "Boss".

Because there was so much open hostility exibited by Isiah he has invited trouble and public questioning of his morality. This guy is not spotless, so its unfortunate for him, MSG, and his family.

The question of her looks is moot. Its often about power.

There will be no winner or losers. Eveyone involved loses.
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1/25/2006  1:00 PM
There will be no winner or losers. Eveyone involved loses.

agree 100%

somewhere in this someone or ones professional career will be significantly damaged.
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1/25/2006  1:00 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Rich:
Posted by martin:
Posted by Rich:

I just saw her on Ch.2. She's tripping.
http://ultimateknicks.com/forum/post.asp?method=ReplyQuote&r=218790&t=14010&page=2

what she say? Weird that she would turn to the media. Not good for either side I think.

Nothing new was said. I'm just basing my conclusion on her demeanor in a prior interview, and that, imo, she appears to be "eminently resistable."

So that means that it's ok to sexually harrass her? Or that her claims have no merit? Or that it's ok to call her a "b*tch"?

You know, "eminently resistable" have rights too.

Shocker, Isles jumping to conclusions once again as long as it involves taking a pot shot at Isiah. If the woman's claims are legit, then obviously Isiah needs to be fired and the Garden needs to deal with this. But this sounds fishy.
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1/25/2006  1:03 PM
Posted by martin:

crash, this is how/why public perception is so out of whack these days. You know don't Sanders from anyone and yet you have already branded her a bitch. We don't have nearly all of the information from either side and you have come to a conclusion. Care to wait until all details are out before forming an opinion?

I( dont see you saying this in BRIGGS poll about whether we should fire Isiah or not because of these allegations.
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1/25/2006  1:04 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Rich:
Posted by martin:
Posted by Rich:

I just saw her on Ch.2. She's tripping.
http://ultimateknicks.com/forum/post.asp?method=ReplyQuote&r=218790&t=14010&page=2

what she say? Weird that she would turn to the media. Not good for either side I think.

Nothing new was said. I'm just basing my conclusion on her demeanor in a prior interview, and that, imo, she appears to be "eminently resistable."

So that means that it's ok to sexually harrass her? Or that her claims have no merit? Or that it's ok to call her a "b*tch"?

You know, "eminently resistable" have rights too.


It means that I find her allegations less than credible.

Try confining your comments to what is actually posted rather than injecting your personal biases into every one of your posts. Remember, reading is fundamental.
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1/25/2006  1:12 PM
Posted by Nalod:

Here is my early take.

Isiah phucked up. Maybe not sexually harrased her, but likely was openly hostile to her with language and likley aligned his team and staff against her.

I doubt isiah went on a cursing rage whenever he saw her. If he yelled at her i'm sure there was some reason for it. There is nothing wrong with cursing people out when you are the boss and they mess up. It happens all the time in the business world.

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1/25/2006  1:15 PM
IMO she's looking for a payday. She wants 6 mil for leaving? Please.

I can't wait to hear the rest of the info on this. None of it will prevent me from rooting for my team for one second, though.

I still got Isiah's back.

Another season, and more adversity to persevere through. We will get the job done, even BETTER than last year. GO KNICKS!
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1/25/2006  1:17 PM
the fact that she isnt attractive makes it even more plausable IMO. Having worked in the restaurant business its amazing how bosses and patrons harrass the less attractive. As if they should by gratefull for the attention. I see this kind of thing all the time. Hot chicks have built in defense mechanisms for dealing with this crap as they are used it.

Guy harrass the ugly ones because the attitude is they are doing them a favor. Then when they say no the guys get even more pissed because they just got shot down by an oinker.
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1/25/2006  1:24 PM
Posted by Rich:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Rich:
Posted by martin:
Posted by Rich:

I just saw her on Ch.2. She's tripping.
http://ultimateknicks.com/forum/post.asp?method=ReplyQuote&r=218790&t=14010&page=2

what she say? Weird that she would turn to the media. Not good for either side I think.

Nothing new was said. I'm just basing my conclusion on her demeanor in a prior interview, and that, imo, she appears to be "eminently resistable."

So that means that it's ok to sexually harrass her? Or that her claims have no merit? Or that it's ok to call her a "b*tch"?

You know, "eminently resistable" have rights too.


It means that I find her allegations less than credible.

Try confining your comments to what is actually posted rather than injecting your personal biases into every one of your posts. Remember, reading is fundamental.

I did no such thing. I just wanted to know what you meant.

So why are her allegations less credible? Because you find her to be "eminently resistable"?
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
islesfan
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1/25/2006  1:31 PM
Posted by fishmike:

the fact that she isnt attractive makes it even more plausable IMO. Having worked in the restaurant business its amazing how bosses and patrons harrass the less attractive. As if they should by gratefull for the attention. I see this kind of thing all the time. Hot chicks have built in defense mechanisms for dealing with this crap as they are used it.

Guy harrass the ugly ones because the attitude is they are doing them a favor. Then when they say no the guys get even more pissed because they just got shot down by an oinker.

That's the best take on this yet.
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
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1/25/2006  1:34 PM
the one thing that we're all missing is the effect on the organization. forget all this spending on scrubby players. now they have some front office turmoil which will have a trickle down effect to the other employees in the place. people will get fired, and we're not talking about people making millions, or even hundred thousands. we're talking about people making $30K-$80K. all b/c some people made mistakes. man, msg is a mess right now...
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1/25/2006  1:35 PM
Posted by fishmike:

the fact that she isnt attractive makes it even more plausable IMO. Having worked in the restaurant business its amazing how bosses and patrons harrass the less attractive. As if they should by gratefull for the attention. I see this kind of thing all the time. Hot chicks have built in defense mechanisms for dealing with this crap as they are used it.

Guy harrass the ugly ones because the attitude is they are doing them a favor. Then when they say no the guys get even more pissed because they just got shot down by an oinker.

a lot of this stuff sounds like context stuff. to a lot of people, putting your arm around someone who seems upset/angry and asking "what's the matter, don't you have any love for me today?" ammounts to asking what's wrong or a friendly gesture. Of course it can be misinterpreted. I'm not saying that's what happened, but given the extremely small ammount of info we have at this time, that certainly seems to be one way this could play out.

there's a TON of gray area in a thing like this.


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fishmike
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1/25/2006  1:39 PM
the fact is *something* happened. If it didnt she wouldnt have been fired, and she wouldnt have a lawer right now. Obviously there are documented cases of her approaching HR with problems.
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1/25/2006  1:40 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Rich:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Rich:
Posted by martin:
Posted by Rich:

I just saw her on Ch.2. She's tripping.
http://ultimateknicks.com/forum/post.asp?method=ReplyQuote&r=218790&t=14010&page=2

what she say? Weird that she would turn to the media. Not good for either side I think.

Nothing new was said. I'm just basing my conclusion on her demeanor in a prior interview, and that, imo, she appears to be "eminently resistable."

So that means that it's ok to sexually harrass her? Or that her claims have no merit? Or that it's ok to call her a "b*tch"?

You know, "eminently resistable" have rights too.


It means that I find her allegations less than credible.

Try confining your comments to what is actually posted rather than injecting your personal biases into every one of your posts. Remember, reading is fundamental.

I did no such thing. I just wanted to know what you meant.

So why are her allegations less credible? Because you find her to be "eminently resistable"?

IMO, yes.
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1/25/2006  1:41 PM
Posted by fishmike:

the fact is *something* happened. If it didnt she wouldnt have been fired, and she wouldnt have a lawer right now. Obviously there are documented cases of her approaching HR with problems.

Perhaps it was merely because she didn't get along with people.
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1/25/2006  1:56 PM
Posted by Rich:
Posted by fishmike:

the fact is *something* happened. If it didnt she wouldnt have been fired, and she wouldnt have a lawer right now. Obviously there are documented cases of her approaching HR with problems.

Perhaps it was merely because she didn't get along with people.

yes. as more of this comes out, it seems less and less credible:

from ESPN
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2305164
The lawsuit also alleges that Thomas told Browne Sanders he was pushing for more home games at noon on Sundays. His plan, according to Browne Sanders, was to have opposing players go to certain clubs, including strip clubs, that Thomas had connections with on Saturday nights and get them drunk so they would be sluggish for the game the next day.

"These fabricated and outrageous charges come from an individual whom MSG fired because of an inability to fulfill professional responsibilities and who is now seeking a financial windfall," attorney Ron Green said in a statement on behalf of Madison Square Garden. "We have always been proud of how our employees are treated, as evidenced by the fact that we have consistently taken appropriate action when employees have engaged in inappropriate behavior. We will fight these outrageous charges and defend our employees from baseless allegations intended to embarrass and harm them."

OH, so Zeke went to some Knicks publicity VP to get a noon time Sunday game scheduled? That's funny, I thought the NBA league office made the schedules. Too bad Isiah couldn't get KG to a strip club before that MLK day game! LOL.

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Rich
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1/25/2006  1:58 PM
Let's see if the plaintiff has any tapes as existed in the Bill O'Reilly case.
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1/25/2006  2:05 PM
The lawsuit also alleges that Thomas told Browne Sanders he was pushing for more home games at noon on Sundays. His plan, according to Browne Sanders, was to have opposing players go to certain clubs, including strip clubs, that Thomas had connections with on Saturday nights and get them drunk so they would be sluggish for the game the next day.

I don't know what our record is in Sunday home games, but my impression is its pretty miserable- so if anyone is going out drinking too much, its our team- and I would think Isiah would realize it.

Now, maybe isiah cracked a remark to this effect- what would be wrong with that?
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1/25/2006  2:06 PM
Posted by Rich:

Let's see if the plaintiff has any tapes as existed in the Bill O'Reilly case.

or a stained dress.

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sexual harassment suit filed against thomas and garden

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