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1/23/2006  6:33 PM
Funny thing about Dwight Howard:

According to Isiah, there was noone in the 04 draft better than Marbury.
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1/23/2006  6:38 PM
Posted by McK1:

Funny thing about Dwight Howard:

According to Isiah, there was noone in the 04 draft better than Marbury.

When did he say that?
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1/23/2006  6:44 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by McK1:

Funny thing about Dwight Howard:

According to Isiah, there was noone in the 04 draft better than Marbury.

When did he say that?

when he traded an unprotected 1st for Marbury
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1/23/2006  6:55 PM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by McK1:

Funny thing about Dwight Howard:

According to Isiah, there was noone in the 04 draft better than Marbury.

When did he say that?

when he traded an unprotected 1st for Marbury
Dwight was the number 1 pick, was the knick pick the #1 pick? NO.
Is Dwight Howard better than Steph? NO.
Will he be? Only time will tell.
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1/23/2006  7:00 PM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by McK1:

Funny thing about Dwight Howard:

According to Isiah, there was noone in the 04 draft better than Marbury.

When did he say that?

when he traded an unprotected 1st for Marbury

I thought he said something more along the lines of liking Marbury more than anything the Knicks could have gotten in the draft. Whatever, though. I don't care about GM media spin and never understood it when message board posters did.
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1/23/2006  7:01 PM
"We gave up a lot," said Thomas, who added he had no qualms about dealing two No. 1 draft picks. "Even if you have those No. 1 picks, you're never going to draft a guy like Steph. A player like that isn't going to come along very often."

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/basketball/nba/2004-01-05-marbury_x.htm
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1/23/2006  7:03 PM
Posted by McK1:
"We gave up a lot," said Thomas, who added he had no qualms about dealing two No. 1 draft picks. "Even if you have those No. 1 picks, you're never going to draft a guy like Steph. A player like that isn't going to come along very often."

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/basketball/nba/2004-01-05-marbury_x.htm
He's correct; even if we had the #1 picks we traded, we wouldn't have gotten a player like Steph. We had pick 16 and maybe would have had closer to pick 10 had we not done the Marbury trade. We'd probably be drafting a player at Igoudala's level or lower.

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Posted by Killa4luv:


Dwight was the number 1 pick, was the knick pick the #1 pick? NO.
Is Dwight Howard better than Steph? NO.
Will he be? Only time will tell.

point 1: without Steph NY was definitely headed to 30 wins and the lottery.

point 2: Dwight may not have Steph's individual scoring talent but at 19 Howqard can already ANCHOR A TEAMS DEFENSE It is easier to build around a defensive stalwart at center than a big time scoring and not much else point guard.

point 3: see point 2.
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1/23/2006  7:09 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by McK1:
"We gave up a lot," said Thomas, who added he had no qualms about dealing two No. 1 draft picks. "Even if you have those No. 1 picks, you're never going to draft a guy like Steph. A player like that isn't going to come along very often."

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/basketball/nba/2004-01-05-marbury_x.htm
He's correct; even if we had the #1 picks we traded, we wouldn't have gotten a player like Steph. We had pick 16 and maybe would have had closer to pick 10 had we not done the Marbury trade. We'd probably be drafting a player at Igoudala's level or lower.

you do know the first through 3rd picks are decided by the ping-pong balls. Its no absolute you win or don't win - just probabilities. NY was 10-18 when isiah took over. Dyess wasn't coming back until March. As things turned out, at the time Dyess would've been available for play Allan went down. NY would've been picking in the top 6. the team with the 6th worst record last draft took Bogut no. 1.

[Edited by - McK1 on 01-23-2006 7:10 PM]
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1/23/2006  7:19 PM
The Knicks were 14-21 before the Marbury trade and on pace for 33 wins, which would have been borderline for the 8th seed. Sure any team can move up in the lottery but you can't base your rebuilding on the slim chance that you'll move up from the 12th pick to a top 2 pick. (They would have needed #2 to get Dwight.)

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 01-23-2006 7:21 PM]
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Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Killa4luv:

Hell no!!!
I like Dwight Howard but i wouldn't trade both of them for him. No way.

I don't think he is better than both of them combined.
No way.

there are many nights where he outrebounds both of them combined...i'm just saying...
he averages more rebounds that both of them put together so far this year. 12.7 to 12.6

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3818 (Howard - 12.7)
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3934 (Frye - 6.1)
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3514 (Curry - 6.5)

Those numbers are why Orlando would never do this trade with NY, it just won't happen!.
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1/23/2006  7:37 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

The Knicks were 14-21 before the Marbury trade and on pace for 33 wins, which would have been borderline for the 8th seed. Sure any team can move up in the lottery but you can't base your rebuilding on the slim chance that you'll move up from the 12th pick to a top 2 pick. (They would have needed #2 to get Dwight.)

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 01-23-2006 7:21 PM]

Isiah wanted to make the play-offs. He didn't want to rebuild. If you need proff of this statement as well I'll google it shortly. I read the statemet when i was looking for the quote about nothing in the draft the equal of Steph.

This gives us a chance," Thomas said. "We want to make the playoffs. We want to get in and we want to have success. Steph gives us that opportunity."

[Edited by - McK1 on 01-23-2006 7:43 PM]
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1/23/2006  8:04 PM
Curry and Frye...hmmm.....

Howard, Cato, Battie, Augmon (everyone but Howard is a FA at the end of the year) for Curry, Frye, Malik, Jerome James.
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1/23/2006  8:35 PM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by Bonn1997:

The Knicks were 14-21 before the Marbury trade and on pace for 33 wins, which would have been borderline for the 8th seed. Sure any team can move up in the lottery but you can't base your rebuilding on the slim chance that you'll move up from the 12th pick to a top 2 pick. (They would have needed #2 to get Dwight.)

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 01-23-2006 7:21 PM]

Isiah wanted to make the play-offs. He didn't want to rebuild. If you need proff of this statement as well I'll google it shortly. I read the statemet when i was looking for the quote about nothing in the draft the equal of Steph.
[Edited by - McK1 on 01-23-2006 7:43 PM]
No you're changing the topic. I thought we were debating the validity of Isiah's statement that Marbury was better than any player NY would have gotten in the draft.
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1/23/2006  8:45 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by Bonn1997:

The Knicks were 14-21 before the Marbury trade and on pace for 33 wins, which would have been borderline for the 8th seed. Sure any team can move up in the lottery but you can't base your rebuilding on the slim chance that you'll move up from the 12th pick to a top 2 pick. (They would have needed #2 to get Dwight.)

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 01-23-2006 7:21 PM]

Isiah wanted to make the play-offs. He didn't want to rebuild. If you need proff of this statement as well I'll google it shortly. I read the statemet when i was looking for the quote about nothing in the draft the equal of Steph.
[Edited by - McK1 on 01-23-2006 7:43 PM]
No you're changing the topic. I thought we were debating the validity of Isiah's statement that Marbury was better than any player NY would have gotten in the draft.

LMAO You're complaining about someone else changing the topic?!? Oh man, that's hysterical.
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1/23/2006  8:47 PM
Isiah's statement was invalid. DEFENSE wins championships. Howards ability on the defensive end outweigh any point production you get from Marbury and Curry/Frye for that matter by a megaton.
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1/23/2006  9:12 PM
Posted by McK1:

Isiah's statement was invalid. DEFENSE wins championships. Howards ability on the defensive end outweigh any point production you get from Marbury and Curry/Frye for that matter by a megaton.
That's all irrelevant to any evaluation of Isiah's statement; Howard wasn't available to us where we'd be picking even without the Marbury trade.

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1/23/2006  10:42 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Howard wasn't available to us where we'd be picking even without the Marbury trade.

so why do they call it the lottery then
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1/23/2006  11:28 PM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Howard wasn't available to us where we'd be picking even without the Marbury trade.

so why do they call it the lottery then

The Knicks would have probably been in the 9 to 15 range. None of those moved up to top 2 where they could have gotten Howard. Isiah's statement is factually correct.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 01-23-2006 11:30 PM]
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Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Howard wasn't available to us where we'd be picking even without the Marbury trade.

so why do they call it the lottery then

The Knicks would have probably been in the 9 to 15 range. None of those moved up to top 2 where they could have gotten Howard. Isiah's statement is factually correct.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 01-23-2006 11:30 PM]

You're assuming facts and presenting them as fact when it's all hypothetical. Are you really this desperate? McK1 has presented a scenario that could most definitely have happened as it did with the Bucks winning the lottery last year in the 6th lottery position. You're saying "probably" in one statement and using that to make a definitive statement in the next. Only a total idiot could jump to that kind of conclusion.
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