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McK1
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1/22/2006  3:29 PM
Curry plays enough minutes to not have to used the skewed overrated per 48 minute factor.
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1/22/2006  3:55 PM
Posted by McK1:

Curry plays enough minutes to not have to used the skewed overrated per 48 minute factor.
right... he's got a better FG% and more rebounds in fewer minutes

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1/22/2006  4:03 PM
Posted by McK1:

Curry plays enough minutes to not have to used the skewed overrated per 48 minute factor.
huh? The point of per 48 is to adjust for differences in playing time. He's playing slightly FEWER min this year than the last two but nevertheless is averaging MORE rbs and FTAs. When you equate the playing time, you see how drastic the improvement is in those areas.

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1/22/2006  4:04 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by McK1:

Curry plays enough minutes to not have to used the skewed overrated per 48 minute factor.
right... he's got a better FG%

not really; he's always had a similar (and good) FG%
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with the exception of NJ all those teams are losing like the knicks. and Carter has how many good years ahead of him??

Korver? did you mention Korver? geez man..

Boston's players? outside of west who is playing out of position none of those other guys are starting and losing time to bad players such as blount.

why is it that all knicks fans look at the other teams situation which is equally as bad as ours and sees gold?

Toronto? come on man, Can you say with a straight face their rookies are better than ours? my lord...

Perk starts and is playing well. Jefferson is a highschooler and has the inside-outside game you love in a young 4. Doc's coaching techniques are hindering the high-schoolers but as Isiah apologists like to chime, it takes a little longer for a big man so its OK if they are not completely there yet.

Korver is better than any 3 on the Knicks. His numbers have improved every year. this season 11pts 4 rebs 2.6assts 44% fr 2 - 45% fr 3- 82% fr the line. Not bad for the 51st pick. Is Ariza Woods or any other 3 were getting anywhere close to those numbers?

Charlie V's "ceiling" is just as high as Frye's if not higher. 1 things for sure Villanueva doesn't look like he is on stilts when asked to put the ball on the floor. He has just as much range as Frye and is infinitely more mobile.

all those other teams have their picks (some have multiple) and are not grossly over the cap until the end of the decade.

[Edited by - McK1 on 01-22-2006 12:32 PM]

Perk starts and is playing well. Jefferson is a highschooler and has the inside-outside game you love in a young 4. Doc's coaching techniques are hindering the high-schoolers but as Isiah apologists like to chime, it takes a little longer for a big man so its OK if they are not completely there yet

Yea blame it on DOC but with our guys, the motto is" they will never get better" LOL... Does it ever occur that Jefferson has a ton of holes in his game, I watch the celts play a lot.... do you?

Korver is better than any 3 on the Knicks. His numbers have improved every year. this season 11pts 4 rebs 2.6assts 44% fr 2 - 45% fr 3- 82% fr the line. Not bad for the 51st pick. Is Ariza Woods or any other 3 were getting anywhere close to those numbers?

This paragraph is just plain nuts and ridiculous, just see nate robinson, he is just as effective in his rookie season than Korver is now, Korver is a bum..... please, you are just making no sense here.. Question: is ariza or Q getting the amount of playing time Korver is? and dont' give me that crap where Korver was drafted, it is irrelevant..

Charlie V's "ceiling" is just as high as Frye's if not higher. 1 things for sure Villanueva doesn't look like he is on stilts when asked to put the ball on the floor. He has just as much range as Frye and is infinitely more mobile.

that was just a childish statement, be serious man. You are sounding like a bit hater and I am afraid I am just wasting my time with this..

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1/22/2006  4:19 PM
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/eddy_curry/index.html

Curry's numbers this season look eerily similar to the numbers he posted during the 03-04 season.

Bulls record 23-59.

NY's record this season 13-26. At this % rate, NY's record will be the same.

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1/22/2006  4:26 PM
tkf.

* Nate is a guard, Korver is a small forward. He is better than any small forward on the Knicks. Saying Nate has similar stats doesn't dispute this especially since Nate cannot play the 3.

* Noone said NY's guys wouldn't get better. The question is how much do you think they will improve in comparison to the other up and coming big guys in the league. And yes Al has holes in his game. Coming straight from highschool is a start of th ereason why. Being injured last year set him back further. I've seen enough Celtics games and enough of the NBA in general to know Al will be a true force in this league. Doc was unable to develop the youth in Orlando as well.

* Mobility is not a basketball attribute It not childish its fact. Frye has 2 left feet out on the perimeter. Charlie V is a ton more mobile.

class dismissed.


[Edited by - McK1 on 01-22-2006 4:26 PM]

[Edited by - McK1 on 01-22-2006 5:13 PM]
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1/22/2006  4:29 PM
So how long is everyone going to wait for Curry to become an impact player? For the money we gave him and the lottery pick and the second rounders he better become a star.
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1/22/2006  4:36 PM
Posted by FireIsiah:

So how long is everyone going to wait for Curry to become an impact player? For the money we gave him and the lottery pick and the second rounders he better become a star.
I've seen significant improvement in his rebounding and ability to draw free throws. I want him to improve at least one or two areas of his game each year.

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1/22/2006  4:40 PM
Posted by FireIsiah:

So how long is everyone going to wait for Curry to become an impact player? For the money we gave him and the lottery pick and the second rounders he better become a star.


at this rate, he's been in the league for what 5-6 seasons I'd say by the time he averages 30mins a game he will be 32 and 360LBS. He really needs to motivate himself or its going to get ugly. But hey he doesn't have the healthiest of hearts, maybe he's giving it all he has
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1/22/2006  4:44 PM
I like Eddy and Eddy has a lot of potential to improve.

At the same time he is incredibly injury-prone and it's kind of a bummer.

Last night, yes he did receive a bunch of horrible entry passes. At the same time he himself looked pathetic for many. if not most, of his minutes out there.

I read in the Times this morning he had injured his thigh in practice and could barely maneuver out there.

At some point you say Eddy, WTF with the new injury every week!?!?!?
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1/22/2006  4:47 PM
yeah Marv you get those nagging injury's when you're out of shape and it really hurts his post game and quickness. He's so athletic,if he was in shape he'd be unstoppable inside! Since we gave up so much to get him it would be best if the Knicks made getting Curry in shape the #1 priority. Him and Steph could dominate but Curry needs to get into shape. The rebounding and defense will comtinue to come along and being in shape would really help as well.

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 01-22-2006 4:49 PM]
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Posted by McK1:

tkf.

* Nate is a guard, Korver is a small forward. He is better than any small forward on the Knicks. Saying Nate has similar stats doesn't dispute this especially since Nate cannot play the 3.

* Noone said NY's guys wouldn't get better. The question is how much do you think they will improve in comparison to the other up and coming big guys in the league. And yes Al has holes in his game. Coming straight from highschool is a start of th ereason why. Being injured last year set him back further. I've seen enough Celtics games and enough of the NBA in general to know Al will be a true force in this league. Doc was unable to develop the youth in Orlando as well.

* Mobility is not a basketball attribute It not childish its fact. Frye has 2 left feet out on the perimeter. Charlie V is a ton more mobile.

class dismissed.


[Edited by - McK1 on 01-22-2006 4:26 PM]

[Edited by - McK1 on 01-22-2006 5:13 PM]


* First of all I would take lee at SF over korver, lee is a better defender, bigger and a much better rebounder, can we agree on that, Korver chucks threes, that is all he is good for, he was greatly exposed in last years playoffs, he should be a bench player.

* Talk about channings feet all you want, but he has a jump hook in the post that is automatic, he has a sweeping hook he makes off the dribble and he is a dead on jump shooter, so I don't get where you are going with his footwork? it doesn't hinder him from scoring nearly 15ppg whereas Charlie V is averaging less with supposedly better footwork, Go figure man.. go figure..

* Al jefferson, the guy again seems to not know what he wants to do, you think frye struggles on defense, just watch him, if we can give him a ride for being a HS player then hell we can do the same for curry and ariza...

* what do our rookies have that sets them apart from other young players? I don't know but I do know all three rank high in various categories among other rookies, and that our young center curry shoots 55% from the field, that means a lot, that is special to me as a knicks fan. Can you tell me what makes other teams young player more special than ours? other than the fact that they are not wearing orange and blue so therefore them must be better?


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1/22/2006  8:10 PM
* a)Korver is much more than a 3 point chucker. You are referring to the guy Isiah gave up Kurt for who currently shoots 35% and can't find a way to have any impact whatsoevr if his 3 isn't falling. Korver rebounds and gets assists and steals. He is not just standing at the line waiting for AI all game.

b) Lee over Korver at 3 is a laughable. He had a bad series matched up against Prince and the world champs. It happens. I know we usually don't watch the same game but saying Lee is a better defender at the small forward position reeks. Lee cannot defend the 3 worth a lick. He is a powerforward forced to play out of position because we have no Kyle Korver or better.

* Shooting 54% is not new to Curry. His second year he shot 58.5% Curry has been in the league 5 years. Al has been in the league 2. Ariza did a year on the college level so he is disqualified from this conversation. Al is averaging more rebs stls and blocks in his second season thus far and less trnovers. Curry put up more points. By the end of the season Al may have him in that category as well.

* Charlie V plays on a team coached by Sam Mitchell and it features Mike James Chris Bosh Jalen Rose and Mo Pete. There is only 1 basketball and but so many shots to be had. He is still putting up double-digits despite this. I'm sure you've seen Frye attempt to dribble the ball. Better Basketball video drills series has a new candidate for admission.
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1/22/2006  8:23 PM
Posted by McK1:

* a)Korver is much more than a 3 point chucker. You are referring to the guy Isiah gave up Kurt for who currently shoots 35% and can't find a way to have any impact whatsoevr if his 3 isn't falling. Korver rebounds and gets assists and steals. He is not just standing at the line waiting for AI all game.

b) Lee over Korver at 3 is a laughable. He had a bad series matched up against Prince and the world champs. It happens. I know we usually don't watch the same game but saying Lee is a better defender at the small forward position reeks. Lee cannot defend the 3 worth a lick. He is a powerforward forced to play out of position because we have no Kyle Korver or better.

* Shooting 54% is not new to Curry. His second year he shot 58.5% Curry has been in the league 5 years. Al has been in the league 2. Ariza did a year on the college level so he is disqualified from this conversation. Al is averaging more rebs stls and blocks in his second season thus far and less trnovers. Curry put up more points. By the end of the season Al may have him in that category as well.

* Charlie V plays on a team coached by Sam Mitchell and it features Mike James Chris Bosh Jalen Rose and Mo Pete. There is only 1 basketball and but so many shots to be had. He is still putting up double-digits despite this. I'm sure you've seen Frye attempt to dribble the ball. Better Basketball video drills series has a new candidate for admission.

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) Lee over Korver at 3 is a laughable. He had a bad series matched up against Prince and the world champs. It happens. I know we usually don't watch the same game but saying Lee is a better defender at the small forward position reeks. Lee cannot defend the 3 worth a lick. He is a powerforward forced to play out of position because we have no Kyle Korver or better.

hahaha, do you think that korver would be starting for larry Brown without playing any defense? Ok, well guess what, korver doesn't defend. Lee does the things brown likes much better than korver... for real... lee may be a little slow for some SF's but Korver is no better, plus he is shorter and not as strong..



Al is averaging more rebs stls and blocks in his second season thus far and less trnovers. Curry put up more points. By the end of the season Al may have him in that category as well.

so is it fair to say that by the end of the season curry may be a better rebounder, and blocker? I mean since you are speculating, or are you going to make up some other qualifier to your rules?

Charlie V plays on a team coached by Sam Mitchell and it features Mike James Chris Bosh Jalen Rose and Mo Pete. There is only 1 basketball and but so many shots to be had. He is still putting up double-digits despite this. I'm sure you've seen Frye attempt to dribble the ball. Better Basketball video drills series has a new candidate for admission.

excuses and more excuses.. and despite that Frye has better numbers. Make a point or move on....
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1/22/2006  8:37 PM
Korver would start here.

Curry may.

Frye is immobile.

ps

Curry has another leg injury. Don't hold your breath.
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1/23/2006  1:36 AM
Posted by FireIsiah:

Curry is 38th in the league in rebounding. Yeah he's shooting 54% from the field but all of his shots are from 3 feet out. Has he scored from outside the paint? He is a average player who will never be a star.
Has Shaqq ever scored from outside the paint?
Do you want you center scoring from outside of the paint?
Thats a stupid remark.
Curry is an impact player, the numbers even tell you he isn't average. He has flaws and could improve, but he is not average.
He has the best fg% among centers and is 3rd in the league overall. He averages 15 ppg while performing below his potential. You are crazy.
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1/23/2006  1:37 AM
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I'm well aware this team goes from bad to worse without Marbury.

my concern is there is alot of assets that were spent on 5 and 6 year guys who aren't stepping up. Curry is one of them.

Curry is also still just 23 years old as of December 10th or so. He'll be 28 when he's a ten year vet. I trust Mark Aguire to do a good job with him.

Q and Craw have been disappointing. Without Marbury, you would hope they could step up and provide some leadership, but they can't. I would have rather played Nate 40 minutes yesterday and let him try to slow down Paul.

Curry has bigger problems than just refinig his pivot moves. He has no true game down there on either end. Curry has 6 assists and 78 turnovers. He has more turnovers than assists steals and blocks combined. The type of improvement needed has to come from with-in himself. Physically he is a true asset. Mentally not so much. Its the mental development that is the true determinant if he was worth the cost.
I agree with this assessment.
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1/23/2006  2:04 AM
Posted by McK1:

Korver would start here.

Curry may.

Frye is immobile.

ps

Curry has another leg injury. Don't hold your breath.


speaking of all that great young talent in toronto. Kobe just pounded them for 81 points... ROFL......
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1/23/2006  8:56 AM
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speaking of all that great young talent in toronto. Kobe just pounded them for 81 points... ROFL......


Kobe is MJ re-incarnate. However the first game T-Dot held him to 11.

He dropped 45 on us early. We too have him while he is on this scoring tear. Papers said Chris Paul terrorized Gotham...


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