Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by fishmike:

has it ever occured to people that the players on the Knicks just arent that good? That the best team we have probably in the last 5 years was the McDyess (out all year) group that Chaney coached to 37 wins?

Chaney sucked
Wilkins sucked
Larry Brown sucks

But Lee is the next Booby Jones, Ariza is a young Marion, Frye is somewhere between Duncan and Raweed, we have all these 2 way players, Curry is better than anyone in the draft.

So what does it tell you when Byron Scott and Sam Mitchell's teams are abusing whoever you put on the floor?

Lets fire Larry Brown. Go ahead. I said when people were killing Lenny and Chaney that it wouldnt matter who you brought in. I was hoping for a mega name like Brown or Phil thinking people might actually stop second guessing the coach and look at the talent assembled on the roster.

Silly me...

Kill the coach all you want. He's a joke. He sucks. He's never done anything. He's got no plan, doesnt know who to play, bla bla bla.

Maybe the problem is we have 15 mediocre players.

Just maybe.

Naaaaa

Good post Fish, agree absolutely 100%

So should Isiah be fired and then have another GM come in and trade everyone?

Brown comes out of trainign camp with no clear starting line-up. He was starting guys based on their hometowns......he benched guys when they were hot. He totally broke down Marbury. He ****s on the team in the media.

Great coaching!

He could have won a million championships in the past but that means nothing. "Track record"???? What is the guy doing now? You trust him? Wha??? What about what you see? What about what you see on the court???

The Knicks are not perfect but they are better than the Hornets, Toronto, Minnesota, etc......they can compete with any team. The Knicks should not be getting blown out like this so often.

The players play the game.....but the coaches are there to put it all together. I have watched every game. From day one when Channing was benched in that Boston game the writting was on the wall.....I mean openly admitting that you are playing guys based on their home towns is ridiculous.

I don't know what else to say?

Posted by gunsnewing:

same. couldn't have said it better. Maybe we can rehire Lenny Wilkins, Chaney or give Herb his job back and he'll magically make Crawford, Q & Eddy consistent players, and make Frye's feet quicker. Maybe be can get Curry to averaged 11rebs and 3blks a game and maybe he can even force Nate to grow another 6inches! Maybe he can get rid of the salary cap too!

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 01-22-2006 11:55 AM]

Maybe the coach can get the players to play to their strengths and not be something that they are not.

I say this all the time on here but it makes sense to say it again:

"If my mother had balls, she'd be my father"

Posted by TMS:

some of us believe this team has some talented young players that are improving & that this team will get better in time... why is that delusional thinking? lately i'm hearing alot of crap about this team having mediocre talent, that they'll never be good as presently constructed, & that the Hall of Fame coach doesn't know what he's doing... funny how you never heard these comments a week ago.

personally i'm under no delusions that this team is even close to being a title contender right now, but i do feel they have potential to get better very soon, & i believe they will be a legitimate playoff contender in a year or two because i believe in Larry Brown's ability as a coach to teach these guys how to play winning basketball... i love all the critics like to downgrade our 3 rookies, 1 of whom is a leading candidate for ROY... when was the last time a Knicks' rookie showed such promise? but he's all of a sudden a mediocre talent... i see how it is... i guess after another 5 game winning streak he'll miraculously metamorph into Tim Duncan redux again... & then coach Larry Brown will be a genius i'm sure... i can't wait to read the comments then... LOL.

me personally.....i just want what's in my signature.....I have been saying this since the 5 game losing streak. I don't think the Knicks would all of a sudden be world beaters without Brown. Brown has brought so much confusion this year and he has a big hand in screwing the whole season over.....The players have talent and yeah they have to learn how to win but they are not as bad as they look.

Check the sig......that's all I want.

Its a GM's job to make sure the coach and the talent are 1 to 1. Isiah put himself in a real quandry by acquiring players first. Chaney Lenny Herb - all lame ducks. What GM hires his entire old coaching staff to be that of another 3 coaches?

conspiracy theory alert

Isiah has coveted many of the playes on the current roster for years. Upon acquiring them, he should've took ultimate responsibility and coached them. Again he had his staff in place. Instead he bull****ted and the ultimate gift and curse situation evolved, the 2 biggest names in coaching whom also had ties to NY both become available. For Isiah Brown was just the lesser of two evils. Neither coach's basketball philosophy match the personnel. Phil doesn't acknowledge Steph at all. Larry is a tad more malleable.

Posted by Marv:

For me the 6-game winning streak answered 2 questions that were entering crisis territory.

1. Can Steph play for Larry?

Answere - to me, a resounding yes. Steph looked great, just freaking great during the streak. They can not only co-exist, they can thrive together.

2. Does this roster have potential to work?

Answer - to me, yes. Curry needs banging next door, a la AD. We need rebounding and D out of our SF, a la Lee. Frye needs to come in off the bench and be aggressively offensive-minded. Jamal needs to be the lead player off the bench. Nate's pluses on the court need to be played to and taken advantage of.

We've lost traction now because of injuries and suspensions, so we have to wait a little to get back on it. We are as pathetic of a team at the moment as we were earlier in the season. i'm waiting till we get everyone back together and let Larry get back what he had going during the winning streak.

WRONG!!!WRONG!!!WRONG!!!!! The Knicks need to start a better front line where both forwards can muster a better output than 10 points per game comnined,COMBINED...They need to start a 2 guard who can really play the 2.....They need to start a 3 who can play the 3....Their starting point guard should not have to defend the shooting guard......You call this great coaching...

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by holfresh:

Posted by Marv:

For me the 6-game winning streak answered 2 questions that were entering crisis territory.

1. Can Steph play for Larry?

Answere - to me, a resounding yes. Steph looked great, just freaking great during the streak. They can not only co-exist, they can thrive together.

2. Does this roster have potential to work?

Answer - to me, yes. Curry needs banging next door, a la AD. We need rebounding and D out of our SF, a la Lee. Frye needs to come in off the bench and be aggressively offensive-minded. Jamal needs to be the lead player off the bench. Nate's pluses on the court need to be played to and taken advantage of.

We've lost traction now because of injuries and suspensions, so we have to wait a little to get back on it. We are as pathetic of a team at the moment as we were earlier in the season. i'm waiting till we get everyone back together and let Larry get back what he had going during the winning streak.

WRONG!!!WRONG!!!WRONG!!!!! The Knicks need to start a better front line where both forwards can muster a better output than 10 points per game comnined,COMBINED...They need to start a 2 guard who can really play the 2.....They need to start a 3 who can play the 3....Their starting point guard should not have to defend the shooting guard......You call this great coaching...

Where are these new starters coming from because they certainly not on the knicks roster.

Right. Who are you referring to? And what was wrong with the results that Larry got with the 5 he started for those 6 games?

Posted by holfresh:

OK explain this one...AD is suspended..I would have bet the ranch that Frye would start....MO Taylor started...so now Frye is what 3rd or 4th on the depth chart PF?

My guess is that Larry likes having Frye's instant O off the bench more than he likes having his weak D in the starting lineup.

"I don't think all of a sudden you get to this level and you become a point guard," Brown said. "That's a position I don't know if you can truly teach people to be point guards. They have to have a lot of intangibles."

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/22/sports/basketball/22knicks.html

no truer words spoken. Get a damn point guard Isiah. Most rosters carry 3. We carry about 1 1/4 of a point.

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by holfresh:

OK explain this one...AD is suspended..I would have bet the ranch that Frye would start....MO Taylor started...so now Frye is what 3rd or 4th on the depth chart PF?

Who cares where he is on the depth chart as long as he gets minutes. He's averaging the 2nd most minutes by a rookie only behind Chris Paul, he's getting his minutes thats all that matters.

yep and we continue to lose and give up wide open dunks and Taylor is really outplaying Frye on offense but defensively and reboundwise they're both atrocious, as well as Curry. When you have so many flaws inside and outside and defensively you're in big trouble.

problem is our veterans stink and kill our cap keeping us from acquiring veterans who can actually play

Posted by Marv:

For me the 6-game winning streak answered 2 questions that were entering crisis territory.

1. Can Steph play for Larry?

Answere - to me, a resounding yes. Steph looked great, just freaking great during the streak. They can not only co-exist, they can thrive together.

2. Does this roster have potential to work?

Answer - to me, yes. Curry needs banging next door, a la AD. We need rebounding and D out of our SF, a la Lee. Frye needs to come in off the bench and be aggressively offensive-minded. Jamal needs to be the lead player off the bench. Nate's pluses on the court need to be played to and taken advantage of.

We've lost traction now because of injuries and suspensions, so we have to wait a little to get back on it. We are as pathetic of a team at the moment as we were earlier in the season. i'm waiting till we get everyone back together and let Larry get back what he had going during the winning streak.

Marv.....I love you man. You and your jedi mind tricks.