oohah its hard to argue with Larry's history.
Its obvious Larry sees one way of doing things, and when these guys do it that way the wins will come. Until them they have to think about what they are doing every minute they are on the court.
What is this way of doing things that LB requires that the players don't see eye to eye with? Specifically please.
I still say what has been hurting them the most is rotations and style of play.
When you don't know when or who or how you are going to play, it makes for bad chemistry.
I posted an example using the Memphis Griz when Hubie first took over. They lost over 50 games with him coaching his first year and he played 12 guys most night and many different starters. The following year they were 18-18 before going on to win 50 games that year. It took over a year for those guys to "get it"
Not such a great example. When Hubie took over it was past the middle of the season I believe and the Grizzlies were terrible. The next year they were much better. However the Grizzlies are and were a better balanced team.
By the way, you might not have such a high opinion of HB's coaching if you watched him when he was coaching the Knicks!
Ask Larry and he probably tells you something like getting guys to play a certain way IS how you win games. That there are no short cuts and if it takes 3 months or a year than so be it.
Aargh...generalisms and rhetoric. Please explain how what has been going on prior to the Suns game builds any of that. Especially not playing your better players, playing scrubs instead. And how does playing a style that contradicts your personnel's abilities help exactly?
Larry's history speaks for itself. Let him do what he does. The GMs of this league voted him the best coach and the best teacher. This team is where it is BECAUSE of band aid fixes. Most of Isiah's deals are just that. Lets work on creating a real foundation here.
Larry is unquestionably an excellent coach HISTORICALLY. That does not mean everything he does is right. Who is talking about Band-aid fixes? Since when is playing your better players and playing a style that complememnts their abilities a band-aid fix?
I submit this: Maybe IT hired LB prematurely. Perhaps LB is a band-aid fix. Who is to say LB is going to last long enough for all his BS to sink in and magically turn this team around?
If he does turn the team around it will be because he is doing the opposite of what he has been doing over the first 28 games.
Lets work on creating a real foundation here. Be patient
In no way am I arguing against that. Nobody is more patient than I. Can you describe how he is building this foundation in any specific way?
I have reading bunch of your posts oohah and I think your underlying premise is what is throwing off your take on Brown. Brown's long term goal, 2-4 year period, is to win as many games as possible. Brown's short term goal, 1-2 year period, is to take the collective group of guys he has and maximize their learning effort/curve in lieu of the long term goal, and that may mean a little losing. I know you know the "1 step backward, 2 steps forward" phrase. This is it exactly. If Brown were a rookie coach, he would be toast, cause this is a league that's all about $$ and winning. But some short term loses will probably yield some wins and more $$$ for Dolan.
I think that the real problem is that folks around here only really remember LB at Detroit and Philly. This is not the same situation.
If you look at the history, there is nothing to prove that he is a better coach than Lenny Wilkens. Nothing.
First, LB walked into a championship team at Detroit. He did not create the team or establish any kind of foundation there. If anyone cares to argue that, I am more than ready.
Indeed, he never got to the championship round before Philly, and that was when the East was god-awful and that team was massacred by the Lakers.
His best coaching job ever was in Kansas, when he took "Manning and the Miracles" to the NCAA title.
Does that mean he is not a great coach (Historically)? No. It just means that he makes mistakes just as much as any coach. And when he is screwing up, it is not just a phase of a "master plan", it is something he has to examine and correct. He is a human being.
Another thing you should realize about Brown. He moves on quickly, so don't be surprised if he isn't here for 2-4 years as everybody is depending on for this disastrous beginning to make some kind of sense.
Winning is a symptom of success. To have success, you must fundamentally be sound. Isiah, Larry, Dolan, the milk man, the newspaper guy all understood this. He was hired to do a job, part of the job was gonna bust this teams ass for as long as it took.
What does playing Rose and Davis when there are better players behind them have to do with fundamentals? Are you saying Frye and Lee are not fundamentally sound? How come NR gets to learn on the court but not Lee? What is the deal with how he plays QR? What does making the rotations so crazy that nobody knows what is going on have to do with fundamentals?
True many a coach would have been fired, but Larry and Isiah understood this would happen. Its painful, but nesessary.
If you think that IT thought or understood that the team would be 8/21 I think you are fooling yourself. IT was aiming for the playoffs this year and that was the reason he picked up Brown.
If you think LB was aiming for anything like this I don't know what to tell you.
The media fodder for this drama is over blown.
Screw the media. They have nothing to do with what I am saying.
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Who has specifics to explain what LB has been doing? Can anyone explain how what he has been doing builds character, fundamentals etc.? Please explain Rose and Davis then. Please explain how nutty lineups does this. Please explain how messing with your better player's time does this. No more generalisms please! Enough of the rhetoric lets get down to the specifics!
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