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we got SOOOOO hosed in the QRich deal. He's damaged goods
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franco12
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12/29/2005  9:12 AM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by jaydh:
pure speculation

not really no. Every year picks around that range are exchanged for cash or future considerations.

then why haven't the knicks - who have maybe more money than anyone- bought a pick? I don't think ever have they bought one.

I just don't think its as easy as some here make it seem.

I think most teams like to keep their picks- its one way to get better cheaper.

Hence, why so many bash isiah for trading picks...
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12/29/2005  9:15 AM
Posted by Bippity10:

Let's not get hasty. I think Zeke should call her up and hook her up with me first. Let's see if that works first before we consider hooking her up with Q

Haha yeah, I think you are right - she might just distract Q more and he cant afford to lose anymore focus.
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12/29/2005  9:35 AM
I couldn't copy the pictures but if you click here and then scroll down to "Quentin Richardson is single" you see the tattoo of his face on Brandy and then the cat she covered it up with. We should take a poll. Personally I think she should have lasered it off rather go the cat route.

http://www.yaysports.com/nba/quentin_richardson/
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12/29/2005  9:35 AM
Posted by franco12:
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by jaydh:
pure speculation

not really no. Every year picks around that range are exchanged for cash or future considerations.

then why haven't the knicks - who have maybe more money than anyone- bought a pick? I don't think ever have they bought one.

I just don't think its as easy as some here make it seem.

I think most teams like to keep their picks- its one way to get better cheaper.

Hence, why so many bash isiah for trading picks...
because the Knicks have never ever valued the draft, and we still dont. While Isiah has at least used it if he valued the draft he would have gotten some protection on the Curry picks. The Knicks used #1's as throw ins for every trade they made for a decade. Hell, we used first rounders for Othella Harrington, Erik Strictland and a 36 year old Mark Jackson
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12/29/2005  9:42 AM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by franco12:
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by jaydh:
pure speculation

not really no. Every year picks around that range are exchanged for cash or future considerations.

then why haven't the knicks - who have maybe more money than anyone- bought a pick? I don't think ever have they bought one.

I just don't think its as easy as some here make it seem.

I think most teams like to keep their picks- its one way to get better cheaper.

Hence, why so many bash isiah for trading picks...
because the Knicks have never ever valued the draft, and we still dont. While Isiah has at least used it if he valued the draft he would have gotten some protection on the Curry picks. The Knicks used #1's as throw ins for every trade they made for a decade. Hell, we used first rounders for Othella Harrington, Erik Strictland and a 36 year old Mark Jackson

I won't argue about the use of draft picks by the knicks, but I don't buy into the ease of acquiring picks- sure its done, but I don't think its as easy as just swiping your $3m credit card.
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12/29/2005  9:50 AM
When he was young and carefree, and a clipper........

One must think that Frye could have been a bust, so Mo. T is the starter. We get mo. T so we can trade Sweets and Kurt. AD was never a consideration as was Curry. Dumb luck.

Kurt could have also been our back up Center, but who was to know? See, its easy to look back. We get Q to replce Allan.

Frye was a bonus. Otherwise its Sweets/mo T/Rose, with Big James as the C.

I like nate, but I think 5'9 players are just a role player. Sure we need those too, but We could live without him.

I think most folks got caught up in the "coolness" that is Qich with his hip hop clipper gig, dome Brandy starwife, and the headband banging thing! The back thing was always there and it was well thought that We hosed PHX.

HE has a role on this team and I am ok for now with it all. Whats done is done.
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12/29/2005  11:35 AM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by jaydh:
pure speculation

not really no. Every year picks around that range are exchanged for cash or future considerations.


sure thing.. if that was true, we would buy one every year.
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12/29/2005  11:51 AM
Posted by jaydh:
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by jaydh:
pure speculation

not really no. Every year picks around that range are exchanged for cash or future considerations.
yes... so we can included them in trades for guys like Mo Taylor.

Dont take my word for it. Go look on nbadraft.net and look at draft day deals. It happens every year where guys are bought for cash or little else. The fact is it happens every year. Speculation would be that Isiah doesnt bother to inquire.


sure thing.. if that was true, we would buy one every year.

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12/29/2005  11:56 AM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by jaydh:
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by jaydh:
pure speculation

not really no. Every year picks around that range are exchanged for cash or future considerations.

sure thing.. if that was true, we would buy one every year.
yes... so we can included them in trades for guys like Mo Taylor.

Dont take my word for it. Go look on nbadraft.net and look at draft day deals. It happens every year where guys are bought for cash or little else. The fact is it happens every year. Speculation would be that Isiah doesnt bother to inquire.


ok, whatever, stupid thing to argue over; fine isiah could buy a pick whenever he wants. right. ok whatever
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12/29/2005  12:20 PM
the point is whether or not you think Isiah overpayed or got played. And to be fair this is the part thats speculation. If Q was damaged goods we got played. If Isiah knew he was damaged goods but just wanted the pick we overpayed. If Q passed a throrough physical and has just been hampered by the lingering hammy or some minor back spasms than no big deal. If he's reinjured then its bad luck. You pick.
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12/29/2005  12:31 PM
Islesfan - Does Isiah ever make a trade where he isn't hosed completely?

Marbury - a stubborn work in progress. Stay tuned.
Crawford - only 24 and more intelligent thah people are willing to acknowledge. George Gervin without the finger roll. Steadily improving in field goal percentage and getting to the free throw line.
Nate - a rookie with a swagger. He's learning as well.
Rose - a veteran presence among the young roster
Lee - another work in progress. Must develop a move and improve his free throws. He's a rookie. It will happen in time or he'll be gone. I'm pulling for him
Qyntel - as raw as they come but he's 6'8 with incredible hops. A work-study student who would benefit from a better sense of positioning and timing - does not turn it over and looks to hit the open man. I have no problem with that.
Curry - only 23 and suffering from an inactive off season. still getting into shape. his low post presence is the best we've had since Ewing. Or perhaps you still pine for Travis Knight, Slavko Vranes, Eric Chenowith and Mike Doleac


Islesfan - stop being a such a crybaby. Your agenda is as transparent as your comprehension of where the franchise was headed two years ago. Nowhere..

This is a work in progress with no quick route to instant success

Go make some jiffy pop.

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12/29/2005  12:47 PM
Earl I agree with your assessments. I think all these guys have more promise and upside than our fans give them credit for. They would only be good if they were acquired in the draft I guess :).........But

There is some validity to not having draft picks and not having cap money. Basically you are putting all your stock in the players you have on the roster. That's risky/stupid on Isiah's part. If it succeeds than it's risky, if not.........
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12/29/2005  1:05 PM
Posted by misterearl:

Islesfan - Does Isiah ever make a trade where he isn't hosed completely?

Marbury - a stubborn work in progress. Stay tuned.
Crawford - only 24 and more intelligent thah people are willing to acknowledge. George Gervin without the finger roll. Steadily improving in field goal percentage and getting to the free throw line.
Nate - a rookie with a swagger. He's learning as well.
Rose - a veteran presence among the young roster
Lee - another work in progress. Must develop a move and improve his free throws. He's a rookie. It will happen in time or he'll be gone. I'm pulling for him
Qyntel - as raw as they come but he's 6'8 with incredible hops. A work-study student who would benefit from a better sense of positioning and timing - does not turn it over and looks to hit the open man. I have no problem with that.
Curry - only 23 and suffering from an inactive off season. still getting into shape. his low post presence is the best we've had since Ewing. Or perhaps you still pine for Travis Knight, Slavko Vranes, Eric Chenowith and Mike Doleac


Islesfan - stop being a such a crybaby. Your agenda is as transparent as your comprehension of where the franchise was headed two years ago. Nowhere..

This is a work in progress with no quick route to instant success

Go make some jiffy pop.
whats that got to do with anything? The point is cost and the bearing it has on building a team. Nobody is argueing that Isiah upgraded the talent on the roster. The point is unless your confident this is championship caliber core of players you have to leave yourselves some room to grow and some flexibility. We have no shot at lottery caliber talent now. We have no shot at cap space. The once omnipotent expiring contracts might be on the shelf because this franchise is bleeding money. So yea... Curry, Crawford, Frye and co may or may not be nice players. But the Mo T's, Marbury's, Penny's, JJ's et al are killing this payroll and options to improve.

Isiah always overpays. He's always bidding against himself, and now we are pretty stuck with this crew. I hope they turn out to be pretty damn good.
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12/29/2005  2:12 PM
fishmike - nice players?

Or are Eddy Curry, Channing Frye AND the (however flawed he may be due to personal issues, and personal issues ONLY) enigmatic Qyntel Woods ALL lottery-calibre talent?

The lottery is a crapshoot.

The inherited capped-out Knicks payroll is a fluid thing in constant flux that many thought was a permanent albatross until Clarence Weatherspoon, Allan Houston, Howard Eisley, Travis Knight and Howard Eisley walked into the sunset.

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12/29/2005  2:26 PM
We have no shot at lottery caliber talent now.
? The Knicks can pick anywhere from 2 to 30 in 2007. There obviously can also be trades involving draft picks.
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12/29/2005  2:34 PM
the Knicks switch the 2007 pick with Chicago, unless of course, we have a better record.
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12/29/2005  9:36 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:

the Knicks switch the 2007 pick with Chicago, unless of course, we have a better record.
Yup; that's why we can't have the #1 pick (unless there's a trade) but can pick anywhere from 2 to 30
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12/30/2005  7:20 AM
misterearl wake up. The lottery may be a crapshoot in your opinion but 90% of the franchise talent in the NBA comes from the lottery. Yes, there's a Ben Wallace and a Gilbert Arenas here and there but 9 out 10 elite players come from those high picks. Thats an option gone for the next 2 years.

Sorry Bonn... unless a plane crash takes out Hinrich, Sweetney, Gordon, Duhon, Chandler and Deng the Bulls are even close to a lottery team. IF anything they are on their way to becoming an elite team in the ECF.
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12/30/2005  9:39 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Allanfan20:

the Knicks switch the 2007 pick with Chicago, unless of course, we have a better record.
Yup; that's why we can't have the #1 pick (unless there's a trade) but can pick anywhere from 2 to 30

Yeah and technically San Antonio can lose enough to make the lottery this year and we'd have a lottery pick but it's not going to happen so why talk about it like it's a possibility? Oh wait, you're just spinning. Nevermind.
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12/30/2005  9:47 AM
Posted by fishmike:

misterearl wake up. The lottery may be a crapshoot in your opinion but 90% of the franchise talent in the NBA comes from the lottery. Yes, there's a Ben Wallace and a Gilbert Arenas here and there but 9 out 10 elite players come from those high picks. Thats an option gone for the next 2 years.

Sorry Bonn... unless a plane crash takes out Hinrich, Sweetney, Gordon, Duhon, Chandler and Deng the Bulls are even close to a lottery team. IF anything they are on their way to becoming an elite team in the ECF.




Fishmike I do not think the Bulls will make the playoffs this year. They are scrappy and they sure have some nice young pieces in place, but I think this will be a fall back year for them. BUT they get to RELOAD with two lottery picks and 25mm in cap space next year. If you add in they have the 1-2-3 in place with a special 6th man and some really good role players, another year together--lets say they add Aldridge and Sheldan Williams in the draft along with Al Harrington and Peja, THEN we will be a changing picks next year for sure.
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