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12/27/2005  3:19 PM
Yup, the instant Nate came out, people started filing for exits, they were booing, and our best player was coming BACK IN!! If it was any other star, saaaay, ohhh, Ray Allen, we would be saying "WOW, as great as Nate was, we have an even better shot to win this thing!!" It was kind of embarrassing.

I'll be flat out honest, I sensed we were letting the game slip the second Vince started his parade to the free throw line, b/c it was slowing down and we were losing our momentum. But we still had it. There was almost no energry in the building once Steph came back in. It wasn't pretty, and Stephon deserved better.
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12/27/2005  3:19 PM
That was the sad thing. Spree was as flawed as Allan. But because Allan was vanilla and making 100 million we targeted him. We couldn't cheer both and cheer them for both giving 100% and then target the rest of the pathetic roster. Instead we target one of the guys doing the most. Sorry, but to me it doesn't make sense.

I could understand if the fans were booing Q. I could understand if they were booing Jerome. I could understand if they boo'd Curry. I could understand if the media targeted them. 2/5 of our projected starting line-up and our big free-agent signing have given us nothing this year and what do we do? Go after Steph.

From Ewing to Houston to Steph, nothing has changed. Only the names and the reasons we make up for not liking them.
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12/27/2005  3:20 PM
I was a season tkt holder from 92-03, and i don't remember Houston being booed once. The only time I even heard of it was from some ignorant fans, after my time, who booed him when they thought he was being a wuss for not getting the second knee surgery. Something I don't agree with.

So even in the case of Houston, it was about perceived effort (unless you know of instances i don't).

Also, in regard to Marbury being booed... I'm not endorsing the actually booing, just the grounds for fan discontent. In my 10+ years as a season ticket holder I booed the team's effort many times, but never an individual knick. That's just not my style.

That said, on many occasions those Garden boos would spur the team on. Players who crumble under pressure are not what we need. If Steph is a delicate soul lets just have pity on him and send him to Sacramento, or some city with 'better' fans than ours. But this is no town for the weak, if he can't find motivation in this then he does need to go somewhere.
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12/27/2005  3:21 PM
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Fans cheer guys that they think put the effort in and who show a lot of heart. That's why spree never got booed, even though he was really the star of our team after the ewing era. Houston got booed because people thought he didn't play good defense, and also because he signed such a big contract; the latter is not a reason to boo any player, and I was always a big houston and ewing fan. If you can lead your team to wins, you won't get booed, and if you leave it all out on the floor you won't get booed either. Those have always been my complaints about marbury.


Ewing showed more heart and passion and leadership than any Knick since the 70's yet he still got boo'd. Not only did he get boo'd they cheered when he left.

You can come up with a million reasons for why we hate these players but it's all the same. In NY when you are losing the fans will find a scapegoat and will target them incessantly.
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12/27/2005  3:24 PM
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I was fine with the booing of the TEAM when they were playing poorly. But Marbs was targeted when Nate fouled out. So now not only is he ridiculed for not playing well but he is boo'd for someone else playing well.

After he checked in what was the affect on the team? The soul was sapped from the building again. Not by Marbs. Not by the players. By us. We quit on the team after Nate fouled out and they followed suit. You could also see it in the nerves of the players. Marbs checks in their is an immediate pi-ss poor outlet to Marbs. Followed by an asinine backcourt pass by Marbs. I contend if we had been just as loud after Nate checked out as we were when he was on the court you would have seen a much better effort for the final 3 minutes.

so in essence, we, as fans, quit on steph, and in return, steph quit on the team. ok, what's done is done and it's time to turn the page.

no matter how bad things were on ewing or h20 here, they NEVER quit on the court or sulked. they came to play to the last day. please, i'm sorry bip, but it's a little different with steph. he was like this before he got here and he's like this now. it's not like he changed over the course of his 2 years in ny. when things don't go his way, it's everyone else's fault.

i have season tickets and i'm at the arena. i'm paying money to see this team. i see and hear what other paying fans are saying. i saw marbury just SITTING there while this whole nate thing was going down. just SITTING there. i don't know what else to say. it was the first time in a while we had some fire and steph doesn't give 2 squats about it. are we to blame for that? if we are...and he's that sensitive, then he shouldn't have been here in the first place.

Don't put words in my mouth. I did not say we quit on Steph. If you read my post it clearly says "We quit on the team after Nate fouled out and they followed suit". We absolutely did. WE make a run, teh building is sounding like the old garden. The guys are pumped, Steph comes in and what happens? Booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!! That had nothing to do with Marbs sitting on the bench supposedly not cheering Nate. It has everything to do with us sapping the life out of a building where a young team plays. There are times to boo and there are times not to. Last night was not the time.

bip, steph didn't expect to come back in. he was sitting there and when lb called his name, he kind of hesitated and then got up. he already checked out of the game mentally and thought his night was done.

the fans were ready to boo a kid that sang awfully at halftime but didn't ONLY b/c he was a kid. it's tough man, it is. but what can you do?

the organization is now hanging him out to dry as they are openly criticizing him on the air. isiah hasn't said JACK about him lately either as he's now distancing himself. steph is a tragic figure and at the end of the day, he is "all alone."
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12/27/2005  3:24 PM
These are really tough times for him as a man and a basketball player," Thomas said. "This is a time when you really show the type of person you are and what you're made of. You've got a wife, kids, who are watching you, and they have to watch you handle a tough situation. Be manly about it."
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12/27/2005  3:25 PM
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That was the sad thing. Spree was as flawed as Allan. But because Allan was vanilla and making 100 million we targeted him. We couldn't cheer both and cheer them for both giving 100% and then target the rest of the pathetic roster. Instead we target one of the guys doing the most. Sorry, but to me it doesn't make sense.

I could understand if the fans were booing Q. I could understand if they were booing Jerome. I could understand if they boo'd Curry. I could understand if the media targeted them. 2/5 of our projected starting line-up and our big free-agent signing have given us nothing this year and what do we do? Go after Steph.

From Ewing to Houston to Steph, nothing has changed. Only the names and the reasons we make up for not liking them.

a quick thing about h20 - some fans at the arena were also booing him after the whole deal with ward saying some stuff about jewish people and h20 echoing it.
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12/27/2005  3:25 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
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I was fine with the booing of the TEAM when they were playing poorly. But Marbs was targeted when Nate fouled out. So now not only is he ridiculed for not playing well but he is boo'd for someone else playing well.

After he checked in what was the affect on the team? The soul was sapped from the building again. Not by Marbs. Not by the players. By us. We quit on the team after Nate fouled out and they followed suit. You could also see it in the nerves of the players. Marbs checks in their is an immediate pi-ss poor outlet to Marbs. Followed by an asinine backcourt pass by Marbs. I contend if we had been just as loud after Nate checked out as we were when he was on the court you would have seen a much better effort for the final 3 minutes.

so in essence, we, as fans, quit on steph, and in return, steph quit on the team. ok, what's done is done and it's time to turn the page.

no matter how bad things were on ewing or h20 here, they NEVER quit on the court or sulked. they came to play to the last day. please, i'm sorry bip, but it's a little different with steph. he was like this before he got here and he's like this now. it's not like he changed over the course of his 2 years in ny. when things don't go his way, it's everyone else's fault.

i have season tickets and i'm at the arena. i'm paying money to see this team. i see and hear what other paying fans are saying. i saw marbury just SITTING there while this whole nate thing was going down. just SITTING there. i don't know what else to say. it was the first time in a while we had some fire and steph doesn't give 2 squats about it. are we to blame for that? if we are...and he's that sensitive, then he shouldn't have been here in the first place.

Don't put words in my mouth. I did not say we quit on Steph. If you read my post it clearly says "We quit on the team after Nate fouled out and they followed suit". We absolutely did. WE make a run, teh building is sounding like the old garden. The guys are pumped, Steph comes in and what happens? Booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!! That had nothing to do with Marbs sitting on the bench supposedly not cheering Nate. It has everything to do with us sapping the life out of a building where a young team plays. There are times to boo and there are times not to. Last night was not the time.

bip, steph didn't expect to come back in. he was sitting there and when lb called his name, he kind of hesitated and then got up. he already checked out of the game mentally and thought his night was done.

the fans were ready to boo a kid that sang awfully at halftime but didn't ONLY b/c he was a kid. it's tough man, it is. but what can you do?

the organization is now hanging him out to dry as they are openly criticizing him on the air. isiah hasn't said JACK about him lately either as he's now distancing himself. steph is a tragic figure and at the end of the day, he is "all alone."

Some fans even booed the guy who was trying to make 7 free throws in 45 seconds.

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12/27/2005  3:26 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
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Fans cheer guys that they think put the effort in and who show a lot of heart. That's why spree never got booed, even though he was really the star of our team after the ewing era. Houston got booed because people thought he didn't play good defense, and also because he signed such a big contract; the latter is not a reason to boo any player, and I was always a big houston and ewing fan. If you can lead your team to wins, you won't get booed, and if you leave it all out on the floor you won't get booed either. Those have always been my complaints about marbury.


Ewing showed more heart and passion and leadership than any Knick since the 70's yet he still got boo'd. Not only did he get boo'd they cheered when he left.

You can come up with a million reasons for why we hate these players but it's all the same. In NY when you are losing the fans will find a scapegoat and will target them incessantly.

I agree 100% that ewing never should have gotten boo'd, he is one my favorite knicks and will always be. I also don't think houston should have gotten boo'd if he did get boo'd at all. But if fans are booing marbury, I can understand where they are coming from.
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12/27/2005  3:27 PM
And also, there were a lot of nets fans at the game, which could have contributed to some of the booing that was going on.
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12/27/2005  3:28 PM
Yes, but that was different. The fans have been doing that for years and years, so we should come to expect that. That, however, is in good fun. We aren't cursing those guys out. It's a different story with Marbury. It gets ugly and it's undeserved. Like I said, I could care less about his demeanor on the bench. He's not hurting anyone nor getting other people angry. I see no cancer stories.
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12/27/2005  3:30 PM
Blueseats: I sat behind the bench for about 10 games during 2002/2003 and the fans down there were so relentlessly awful towards Allan that it was pathetic. Again this is what we did with Ewing. After the fact we all pretend that the bad treatment never happened. Forget it then, we treated Allan like gold.

My point is this we have not won a title in over 30 years. So where does our arrogance come from that only certain players can play in NY?Since when did we become the Yankees?

I have no problem with booing. I have no problem with fans being tough on players. I have no problem with NY being the toughest place on the planet to play. But at least boo when it's warranted. Right now Steph is taking a very undeserved beating. He is not any different today as a person than he was 2 years ago when we cheered him. He pouted then, and he pouts now. HE didn't lead then, and he doesn't lead now. Yet two years ago we cheered him as a savior, as the reason we went going from the doldrums to the playoffs. Now we are losing and people are magically inventing things, like how he is behaving on the bench and on the court etc. The same shiot we did to Patrick and Allan.

Well I say we do trade him for Watson and see how far that gets us.
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12/27/2005  3:33 PM
Well, this is NY and we do have some obnoxious fans. It comes with the territory.
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12/27/2005  3:34 PM
Yeah I think that's ridiculous that anyone would compare the venom that Marbs is taking to that of a guy shooting foul shots.

We keep saying he nees to man-up. But since that conversation he and Craw led us to victory against Utah and both played well last night. But only Marbs was blamed for the team's lack of effort.
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12/27/2005  3:35 PM
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That was the sad thing. Spree was as flawed as Allan. But because Allan was vanilla and making 100 million we targeted him. We couldn't cheer both and cheer them for both giving 100% and then target the rest of the pathetic roster. Instead we target one of the guys doing the most. Sorry, but to me it doesn't make sense.

I could understand if the fans were booing Q. I could understand if they were booing Jerome. I could understand if they boo'd Curry. I could understand if the media targeted them. 2/5 of our projected starting line-up and our big free-agent signing have given us nothing this year and what do we do? Go after Steph.

From Ewing to Houston to Steph, nothing has changed. Only the names and the reasons we make up for not liking them.

a quick thing about h20 - some fans at the arena were also booing him after the whole deal with ward saying some stuff about jewish people and h20 echoing it.

And some of those same fans are cheering Qyntel Woods and begging for a Ruben Patterson trade.
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12/27/2005  3:35 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

Yeah I think that's ridiculous that anyone would compare the venom that Marbs is taking to that of a guy shooting foul shots.

We keep saying he nees to man-up. But since that conversation he and Craw led us to victory against Utah and both played well last night. But only Marbs was blamed for the team's lack of effort.

The guy taking the foul shots is in a contest. He's not a professional basketball player. Why does he deserve to be booed?
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12/27/2005  3:41 PM
i cheered for him b/c i thought steph returning to ny would finally dispel the "rep" he acquired over the years. it was a fresh start. but after 2 years, like you said, he hasn't changed. it was the honeymoon period when he first got here. that's why people cheered him. we cheer anybody new b/c we're hoping they can help us. ewing was cheered for 14 years. he started gettting criticized a little bit towards the end of year 14 and then it was only in year 15+16 did it really start to tailspin.

Now we are losing and people are magically inventing things, like how he is behaving on the bench and on the court etc. The same shiot we did to Patrick and Allan.

don't say magically inventing b/c it can easily be said that your magically making it disappear. i can see it with my own two eyes. on a young team, without a leader, i don't want this guy around them. case closed. i could give two craps if he's getting booed or not. people get treated unfairly in every walks of life, making 1/100000th of what he gets. i feel sorry for them.

and when did we magically invent stuff with pat? it was always about him being the centerpiece of the offense despite him losing a step.

this is different with patrick we're not going to be like "man, we made a mistake booing him" with steph. he's going to be gone and it's not going to matter BECAUSE WE'RE NOT WINNING WITH HIM. that's that difference. if we were like a 40 win team and we dump him and become a 30 win team, you can compare that with ewing. but we won 33 f'n games last year. we have 7 f'n wins this year. ewing left, we got bounced in the first round for the first time in a decade. steph leaves, dare i say, we will win just as many...IF NOT MORE with him gone. i don't agree with the correlation you're trying to make between them.

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12/27/2005  3:42 PM
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That was the sad thing. Spree was as flawed as Allan. But because Allan was vanilla and making 100 million we targeted him. We couldn't cheer both and cheer them for both giving 100% and then target the rest of the pathetic roster. Instead we target one of the guys doing the most. Sorry, but to me it doesn't make sense.

I could understand if the fans were booing Q. I could understand if they were booing Jerome. I could understand if they boo'd Curry. I could understand if the media targeted them. 2/5 of our projected starting line-up and our big free-agent signing have given us nothing this year and what do we do? Go after Steph.

From Ewing to Houston to Steph, nothing has changed. Only the names and the reasons we make up for not liking them.

a quick thing about h20 - some fans at the arena were also booing him after the whole deal with ward saying some stuff about jewish people and h20 echoing it.

And some of those same fans are cheering Qyntel Woods and begging for a Ruben Patterson trade.

well, they're idiots too.
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12/27/2005  3:42 PM
He doesn't deserve to get booed, but like I said, it's in good fun and flat out funny. Heck, if he's not a sensitive man, he probably had a smirk on his face too. He prolly doesn't give a crap. Heck, if I were up there, I would want to get my ars booed too. But to point out, that would NEVER NEVER EVER HAPPEN, if I were up there. 7 up, 7 in, halfcourt, BOOM!!!!!
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Posted by Allanfan20:

He doesn't deserve to get booed, but like I said, it's in good fun and flat out funny. Heck, if he's not a sensitive man, he probably had a smirk on his face too. He prolly doesn't give a crap. Heck, if I were up there, I would want to get my ars booed too. But to point out, that would NEVER NEVER EVER HAPPEN, if I were up there. 7 up, 7 in, halfcourt, BOOM!!!!!


Okay. Why is it okay to boo this guy and not Marbury?
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