Posted by BRIGGS:

thats the key Curry losing 25+ pounds. if he can do that all should be fine. the excuses of hes immature he this, he played for the bulls is jibberish. Hes a 23 years old man with a 60mm$ contract and HE has the RESPONSIBILITY of losing that weight, playing 80 games and continually improve his game. What I talked about on the other thread IMPROVING FROM WITHIN--thats how it is done. Coming at 100% physical fitness.

Hey, this reminds me. Do you remember a time, when the KNICKS were the most conditioned team in the league and use to chew teams up in the 4th quearter? What ever happened to that? I mean, Curry and James are out of shape. Where is the pride for a player to get in shape? Sweets was fat for 2 years here! Do they have an off season program? Who is in charge of this? This guy should be fired. I mean if I am the Knicks and spending 120M dollars for 15 guys, I am hiring 2-3 guys at $75K each to get in these guys faces and get them in the gym working on the skills they need to improve and physical attributes.

This is not Charity!

Posted by MS:

The point is Isiah doesn't know what he is doing, doesn't have a plan he wants to win and he is trying to rebuild bringing in more and more salary he has made numerous mistakes and seems to get a pass because layden did such a terrible job....

Kurt Thomas was a rush move now we are stradled with his contract and a back that will likely break in a year or so, and we have nate to show for it, who may be good down the road....

And giving away our draft pick is absurd under the situation and listening to isiah say he has evaluated the draft and doesn't feel any player has the impact that curry will have.....Curry is never in shape when a contract is not at stake, doesn't like the game and is lazy when he isn't getting it on the block......

There are a number of good players in this draft that would be real assets to have, not to mention teams always give up assets for picks......

And Danny Granger is a stud, they just haven't played the kid he is going to be an all-star someday, and i bet if isiah was willing to part with Ariza and the 30 he could have got him, or even next years pick......

Donny Walsh isn't rushing into any deals and thats what a GM does he just doesn't add Malik Rose for the 30th pick and then sign Jerome James, thats nearly 13 million right there! He could have singed Nazy for 6-7 over 3 and he would have been a much better backup center, but he is stupid.....

Adds Mo Taylors contract for no reason at all, one way players with attitudes conditioning problems, and character flaws as players is never a recipe for a winning team......

And Danny Granger is a stud, they just haven't played the kid he is going to be an all-star someday, and i bet if isiah was willing to part with Ariza and the 30 he could have got him, or even next years pick......

the problem I have with this is: if Granger is a stud or going to be a stud, don't you think the pacers realize that, and if they would trade him for Ariza and pick 30 who could be just about anyone, don't you think they feel that ariza or that pick has the same potential of being a stud? and if that is the case, then why do the knicks want to part with ariza? and why would indy make such a lateral move?

There are a number of good players in this draft that would be real assets to have, not to mention teams always give up assets for picks......

To me that is sort of a myth. Teams will give up assets they have a surplus in for picks, but not players or positions that are at a premium. In other words, would cleveland trade lebron for draftp picks? NO. OK that is lebron, maybe that is not fair, but let me ask you. Would the Hornets trade chris Paul for Atlanta picks and a wing player? I say no, because I don't think there will be any point guards in the draft of that calibur. That is why I have no problem with the curry deal. I just don't see any centers with his talent, or potential, I mean we are talking a 22 year old curry not a 29 year old Jerome James we gave up picks for.. This is why as much as I am not a fan of Dalembert or chandler neither of those teams were willing to trade them for picks, simply because of the value of centers in the league. yea there will be rudy gay and Morrison, but that kind of talent is available throughout the league, there are tons of swingmen in this league, that can be had, so lamenting about giving up picks in a draft that will be headed by those types of players doesn't make sense to me, neither of those guys are Lebron or kobe type players, so I don't see all the fuss..

And giving away our draft pick is absurd under the situation and listening to isiah say he has evaluated the draft and doesn't feel any player has the impact that curry will have.....Curry is never in shape when a contract is not at stake, doesn't like the game and is lazy when he isn't getting it on the block......

It sounds like you just don't trust IT's opinion. So why do you want picks if you can't trust his evaluation of this draft?