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lovespree
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12/16/2005  4:06 PM
For all those who say we should trade Marbury....my question would be..for who???? Please let me know?
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12/16/2005  4:07 PM
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I think fans honestly feel that if they yell at a player, or boo a player long enough that will magically transform them into a franchise superstar.


or get them traded
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12/16/2005  4:08 PM
Posted by lovespree:

For all those who say we should trade Marbury....my question would be..for who???? Please let me know?


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12/16/2005  4:08 PM
lovespree: That's my question exactly. I got no problem moving on from Marbs, but there has to be a purpose behind it. Trading him because we think Mike Bibby is going to turn us into a contender is silly. If the right deal comes up you trade him. If not, guess what, he is the best player on the team and gives us more for the money than 90% of the roster. If those guys improve we get better regardless of Marbury.
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12/16/2005  4:10 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by lovespree:

For all those who say we should trade Marbury....my question would be..for who???? Please let me know?


capspace

How does that give us cap space? Can we get real?

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12/16/2005  4:11 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

lovespree: That's my question exactly. I got no problem moving on from Marbs, but there has to be a purpose behind it. Trading him because we think Mike Bibby is going to turn us into a contender is silly. If the right deal comes up you trade him. If not, guess what, he is the best player on the team and gives us more for the money than 90% of the roster. If those guys improve we get better regardless of Marbury.


imo Marbury makes us worse. We'd be better off with a floor general at PG. And Marbury is not a good enough shooter to play SG next to a pass first PG
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12/16/2005  4:12 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by lovespree:

For all those who say we should trade Marbury....my question would be..for who???? Please let me know?


capspace

How does that give us cap space? Can we get real?


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for your reference and elightenment http://hoopshype.com/salaries/new_york.htm
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12/16/2005  4:16 PM
So you are under the impression that we were just going to let all these contracts come off the books. Oh you are so naive. With the patience level in NY with fans like you and I calling for the coach's heads with every loss it's never going to happen. We reap what we sow.
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12/16/2005  4:16 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

So you are under the impression that we were just going to let all these contracts come off the books. Oh you are so naive. With the patience level in NY with fans like you and I calling for the coach's heads with every loss it's never going to happen. We reap what we sow.


I don't call for Isiah's head. very few do
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12/16/2005  4:18 PM
Zeke isn't the coach but peole are blaming LB for everything.
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12/16/2005  4:31 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

Zeke isn't the coach but peole are blaming LB for everything.

the only reason we are doing that is becuase we've spent more more money than anyone else in the nba, and traded away our draft picks and we are STILL losing. if we had a more flexable salary situation, and more draft picks I wouldnt be complaining about the loses, or calling for zeke or LB's head becuase obviously rebuilding takes time, Im pretty sure most fans would feel that way. its just hard to say we are rebuilding now becuase of the things I mentioned earlier.


[Edited by - SlimPack on 12-16-2005 4:32 PM]
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12/16/2005  4:40 PM
It's more like you are reacting out of frustration and not reality. LB is an all-time coach and calling for his head after 21 games is reactive. No?

Zeke has been more questionable, I agree with you but he is also only 2 years removed from the most horrible, overpaid, ridiculed roster in the history of the NBA. Things were obviously going to get worse before they get better.

I understand many people here's point of view. I respect it. They don't see any future in Curry and Frye and that's fine. That is a fair opinion and I don't disparage it. But to me it is far too early to tell.

My argument is what group of bad teams has a better potential combo than those two? The Celtics? Atlanta? Maybe Toronto? Patience. The draft could not have netted us more potential.
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12/16/2005  4:58 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

It's more like you are reacting out of frustration and not reality. LB is an all-time coach and calling for his head after 21 games is reactive. No?

Zeke has been more questionable, I agree with you but he is also only 2 years removed from the most horrible, overpaid, ridiculed roster in the history of the NBA. Things were obviously going to get worse before they get better.

I understand many people here's point of view. I respect it. They don't see any future in Curry and Frye and that's fine. That is a fair opinion and I don't disparage it. But to me it is far too early to tell.

My argument is what group of bad teams has a better potential combo than those two? The Celtics? Atlanta? Maybe Toronto? Patience. The draft could not have netted us more potential.

I actually agree with most of what your saying. I'm not calling for LB's or zeke's head right now, I think as terrible as things are right now it can all be turned around, when the players get better at playing LB's way, and zeke pulls off a few traded to get us a smarter PG. It took memphis an entire season to get things together under hubie, so its not the losses in of themselves that have fans irrate. the point that I was trying to make in my last post is that I, and probably most knick fans ARE patient enough for rebuilding, I just hope that that is what we are doing right now, cuase if isiah trades away our rookies and our 1 remaining pick for KG, or some other superstar like that then we are NOT rebuilding, but rather trying to win now and doing a disgracefully bad job of doing so, thus giving knick fans a good reason to be pissed at the lack of immediate results. see what I mean?

[Edited by - SlimPack on 12-16-2005 4:59 PM]
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12/16/2005  6:34 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by lovespree:

For all those who say we should trade Marbury....my question would be..for who???? Please let me know?


capspace

This is the biggest misconception on this board. First of all, if you were an astute observer, you'd notice that Curry's salary isn't tabulated on the Hoopshype page. Thats about 10 million you can add to each year in salary for atleast the next 4 years.

Moreover, imagine the hypothetical scenario where we get rid of Marbury, don't re-sign Ariza, don't sign any free agents for the next 2 years, but don't trade Frye, Lee or Robinson. Our cap number for 07/08 is still 43 1/2 million - meaning we don't have the option of offering a max contract. With the cap limit usually at 42 mil - we are left with 0 capspace in 07/08. Even in 08/09, if we lose Marbury, Ariza and don't so much as glance at another free agent, our cap number is a whopping 39 mil. Thus, the MLE remains our maximum contract offer. Summer 07 - Lebron, Wade and Bosh will get offers of 90+ mil over 6 years. The same applies to Okafor and Howard in 08/09. I'm assuming, if you trade Marbury for capspace - you'd want a superstar in free-agency - that, unfortinately, is a pipe-dream.

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12/16/2005  6:36 PM
Posted by codeunknown:
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by lovespree:

For all those who say we should trade Marbury....my question would be..for who???? Please let me know?


capspace

This is the biggest misconception on this board. First of all, if you were an astute observer, you'd notice that Curry's salary isn't tabulated on the Hoopshype page. Thats about 10 million you can add to each year in salary for atleast the next 4 years.

Moreover, imagine the hypothetical scenario where we get rid of Marbury, don't re-sign Ariza, don't sign any free agents for the next 2 years, but don't trade Frye, Lee or Robinson. Our cap number for 07/08 is still 43 1/2 million - meaning we don't have the option of offering a max contract. With the cap limit usually at 42 mil - we are left with 0 capspace in 07/08. Even in 08/09, if we lose Marbury, Ariza and don't so much as glance at another free agent, our cap number is a whopping 39 mil. Thus, the MLE remains our maximum contract offer. Summer 07 - Lebron, Wade and Bosh will get offers of 90+ mil over 6 years. The same applies to Okafor and Howard in 08/09. I'm assuming, if you trade Marbury for capspace - you'd want a superstar in free-agency - that, unfortinately, is a pipe-dream.


we'll have some flexibility to make trades that make us better. Right now we're stuck. nevermind the fact that we'd have some draft picks to work with and a cheaper but more effective PG for Larry to win with

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 12-16-2005 6:37 PM]
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12/16/2005  6:49 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:


we'll have some flexibility to make trades that make us better. Right now we're stuck. nevermind the fact that we'd have some draft picks to work with and a cheaper but more effective PG for Larry to win with

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 12-16-2005 6:37 PM]

No we won't - trading Marbury doesn't give us additional flexibility. Having young, athletic players gives us trade flexibility. Besides, trading Marbury now has its detriments - namely the fact the our draft picks for 06 and 07 have already been donated to other teams. Id prefer to own the draft pick the year we decide to tank.

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12/16/2005  6:53 PM
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Posted by gunsnewing:


we'll have some flexibility to make trades that make us better. Right now we're stuck. nevermind the fact that we'd have some draft picks to work with and a cheaper but more effective PG for Larry to win with

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 12-16-2005 6:37 PM]

No we won't - trading Marbury doesn't give us additional flexibility. Having young, athletic players gives us trade flexibility. Besides, trading Marbury now has its detriments - namely the fact the our draft picks for 06 and 07 have already been donated to other teams. Id prefer to own the draft pick the year we decide to tank.


theway Marbury is playing we are better without him and a cheaper PG who can run an offense. And I hate the idea of moving Marbury to SG since he'san erratic shooter
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12/16/2005  7:17 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:
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we'll have some flexibility to make trades that make us better. Right now we're stuck. nevermind the fact that we'd have some draft picks to work with and a cheaper but more effective PG for Larry to win with

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 12-16-2005 6:37 PM]

No we won't - trading Marbury doesn't give us additional flexibility. Having young, athletic players gives us trade flexibility. Besides, trading Marbury now has its detriments - namely the fact the our draft picks for 06 and 07 have already been donated to other teams. Id prefer to own the draft pick the year we decide to tank.


theway Marbury is playing we are better without him and a cheaper PG who can run an offense. And I hate the idea of moving Marbury to SG since he'san erratic shooter

He is a erratic shooter but just becuase you play SG doesn't mean you have to be a good shooter. The reason he's talked about moving there is because he can do his thing on offense without HAVING to worry about setting up teammates, the PG could setup the offense/teammates and be the shooter, we can find a PG like that, his name is Chucky Atkins.
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12/16/2005  7:21 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by codeunknown:
Posted by gunsnewing:


we'll have some flexibility to make trades that make us better. Right now we're stuck. nevermind the fact that we'd have some draft picks to work with and a cheaper but more effective PG for Larry to win with

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 12-16-2005 6:37 PM]

No we won't - trading Marbury doesn't give us additional flexibility. Having young, athletic players gives us trade flexibility. Besides, trading Marbury now has its detriments - namely the fact the our draft picks for 06 and 07 have already been donated to other teams. Id prefer to own the draft pick the year we decide to tank.


theway Marbury is playing we are better without him and a cheaper PG who can run an offense. And I hate the idea of moving Marbury to SG since he'san erratic shooter

He is a erratic shooter but just becuase you play SG doesn't mean you have to be a good shooter. The reason he's talked about moving there is because he can do his thing on offense without HAVING to worry about setting up teammates, the PG could setup the offense/teammates and be the shooter, we can find a PG like that, his name is Chucky Atkins.


ehhh thats not how I invision a true SG. and remember someone has to defend the perimeter
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12/16/2005  9:44 PM
I don't want a pg who is you're prototypical 'floor general'- we've had them in the past

Charlie Ward
Chris Childs
Greg Anthony
Howard Eisley.

I'm happy to have a pg in marbury who can

1. get into the lane and hit a lay up
2. actually threaten teams from the outside
3. sometimes score 20 pts in a game.

If you want to win with an Eric Snow as a PG, you'd better add a lebron to this current roster...
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