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SlimPack
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12/16/2005  1:02 PM
Posted by McK1:

Memphis had Pau Gasol, Mike Miller, Shane Battier, Bonzi Wells, James Posey, Stro Swift, Jason Williams, Earl Watson

I dont doubt that the talent we have on our roster could become a winning team, another reason why memphis losing their lotto pick didnt hurt them is becuase detroit wasted it, hopefully the same will happen this year with chicago
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12/16/2005  1:04 PM
Posted by SlimPack:
Posted by McK1:

Memphis had Pau Gasol, Mike Miller, Shane Battier, Bonzi Wells, James Posey, Stro Swift, Jason Williams, Earl Watson

I dont doubt that the talent we have on our roster could become a winning team, another reason why memphis losing their lotto pick didnt hurt them is becuase detroit wasted it, hopefully the same will happen this year with chicago


If it was just about on paper talent, Clips would have won a championship. Sam Cassell and Cut Mobley gave them a backourt with a brain and you see the huge turnaround.
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12/16/2005  1:19 PM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by SlimPack:
Posted by McK1:

Memphis had Pau Gasol, Mike Miller, Shane Battier, Bonzi Wells, James Posey, Stro Swift, Jason Williams, Earl Watson

I dont doubt that the talent we have on our roster could become a winning team, another reason why memphis losing their lotto pick didnt hurt them is becuase detroit wasted it, hopefully the same will happen this year with chicago


If it was just about on paper talent, Clips would have won a championship. Sam Cassell and Cut Mobley gave them a backourt with a brain and you see the huge turnaround.

I want a backcourt with a brain too
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12/16/2005  1:22 PM
Posted by McK1:
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Posted by McK1:

Memphis had Pau Gasol, Mike Miller, Shane Battier, Bonzi Wells, James Posey, Stro Swift, Jason Williams, Earl Watson

New York has Channing Frye, Eddy Curry, Quentin Richardson, Jamal Crawford, Stephon Marbury, Nate Robinson, Trevor Ariza, David Lee

it takes time. Memphis started off that season very poorly and turned it around too, you know.

Huge difference in quality of players.


I think the two groups are comparable
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12/16/2005  1:31 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

I think you salvage the season by staying the course. Keep developing the rookies, don't make shortsighted trades, save the expiries for an opportunity to help the team, get picks back in trades if we help the other team clear cap space.

Teams have lost lotto picks before and moved on. Anyone remember when Memphis has the no.2 pick and it went to Detroit in 2003? Sure, a lotto pick would have helped them, but it didn't stop them from winning 50 games in 03-04 and being one of the better young teams in the league. If we lose a high lotto pick, accept it and move on. Work with what you have. Don't try to hit a homerun on a trade.
[Edited by - crzymdups on 12-16-2005 11:50 AM]
That's exactly what I think too. You simply gave a much more elaborate answer than I had time to give. Let the young guys plan and learn from their mistakes. Add nice minor pieces. There's nothing wrong with having a bad record if we see gradual improvement from the kids and when they're ready for it, the team makes the kind of turn around Memphis, LAC, and Chi made. Please spare us all the payroll argument; I don't understand the notion that you can't be spending money simply to improve in the long-run.



[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 12-16-2005 1:31 PM]
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12/16/2005  1:33 PM
Posted by franco12:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by McK1:

Memphis had Pau Gasol, Mike Miller, Shane Battier, Bonzi Wells, James Posey, Stro Swift, Jason Williams, Earl Watson

New York has Channing Frye, Eddy Curry, Quentin Richardson, Jamal Crawford, Stephon Marbury, Nate Robinson, Trevor Ariza, David Lee

it takes time. Memphis started off that season very poorly and turned it around too, you know.

Huge difference in quality of players.


I think the two groups are comparable

in what respect?

defensively? hell no.
rebounding? hell no.
offensively? prolly just as much firepower, tons less efficiency from the NY group.
intangibles? hell no. hardly any for that NY group.
coachability? no.
developmentally? hell no.
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12/16/2005  1:33 PM
Posted by franco12:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by McK1:

Memphis had Pau Gasol, Mike Miller, Shane Battier, Bonzi Wells, James Posey, Stro Swift, Jason Williams, Earl Watson

New York has Channing Frye, Eddy Curry, Quentin Richardson, Jamal Crawford, Stephon Marbury, Nate Robinson, Trevor Ariza, David Lee

it takes time. Memphis started off that season very poorly and turned it around too, you know.

Huge difference in quality of players.


I think the two groups are comparable

We don't have as good an SF or the kind of PG Larry probably wants. We won't make a turnaround until we get those two, but those are two needs that are easy to address in the long-term. Teams that need help at the PF/C positions and have old players or young mediocre ones are the teams that are stuck in the long-run.
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12/16/2005  3:33 PM
This team really reminds me of 95-96 team where Don Nelson wanted to run things his way. Wanted to get rid of Ewing, limit his role, make Starks the focal point, and go fast pace. half way through the seson, Checketts, and Grunfeld say no no, we made a mistake and showed Mr. Nelson the door. JVG went back to the Riley text and that team went on to be respectable. It was the only team to really push the Bulls that year in the playoffs. The only problem is that team is in constant flux. First with Isiah moves and Brown's rotations. I would like to see a set rotation for at least 3 or more games.
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12/16/2005  3:51 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:

This team really reminds me of 95-96 team where Don Nelson wanted to run things his way. Wanted to get rid of Ewing, limit his role, make Starks the focal point, and go fast pace. half way through the seson, Checketts, and Grunfeld say no no, we made a mistake and showed Mr. Nelson the door. JVG went back to the Riley text and that team went on to be respectable. It was the only team to really push the Bulls that year in the playoffs. The only problem is that team is in constant flux. First with Isiah moves and Brown's rotations. I would like to see a set rotation for at least 3 or more games.



We might be better off with a Don Nelson, Rick Adelman type for this group of players we have- outscore the opposition.
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12/16/2005  4:07 PM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by franco12:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by McK1:

Memphis had Pau Gasol, Mike Miller, Shane Battier, Bonzi Wells, James Posey, Stro Swift, Jason Williams, Earl Watson

New York has Channing Frye, Eddy Curry, Quentin Richardson, Jamal Crawford, Stephon Marbury, Nate Robinson, Trevor Ariza, David Lee

it takes time. Memphis started off that season very poorly and turned it around too, you know.

Huge difference in quality of players.


I think the two groups are comparable

in what respect?

defensively? hell no.
rebounding? hell no.
offensively? prolly just as much firepower, tons less efficiency from the NY group.
intangibles? hell no. hardly any for that NY group.
coachability? no.
developmentally? hell no.


I'll take Eddy Curry & Frye over Pau & Stro Swift

I'll take Marbs & Nate over Earl Watson & Jason Williams

And that leaves Miller, Posey, Wells & Battier vs Ariza, Lee, Q & Jamal- and perhaps I would take Miller & Battier & possibly posey over Ariza, Lee & Jamal.

I'd call it a toss up, but that's my opinion.
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12/16/2005  5:45 PM
I'm quite sure if Larry and Isiah could break it up like you have, they would. Reality, is you and they can't.

btw,
Gasol is a much better basket-ball player than Curry. Curry has size and power, Gasol has everything else including the ability to take other centers off the dribble.

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12/16/2005  6:12 PM
Posted by McK1:

I'm quite sure if Larry and Isiah could break it up like you have, they would. Reality, is you and they can't.

btw,
Gasol is a much better basket-ball player than Curry. Curry has size and power, Gasol has everything else including the ability to take other centers off the dribble.


Though Curry has been in the league a while, the reason I'd pick Curry over Gasol is the dreaded P Word- potential. I'd expect Curry to be a lot better in 4 more years while I think I'd expect about the same from Gasol- which isn't bad.
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12/16/2005  6:18 PM
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/tim_thomas/index.html

the "p" is free

[Edited by - McK1 on 12-16-2005 6:22 PM]
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12/16/2005  9:33 PM
Posted by McK1:

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/tim_thomas/index.html

the "p" is free

[Edited by - McK1 on 12-16-2005 6:22 PM]


Curry has shown a lot of 'pee' while he's been with us.
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12/16/2005  10:47 PM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by franco12:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by McK1:

Memphis had Pau Gasol, Mike Miller, Shane Battier, Bonzi Wells, James Posey, Stro Swift, Jason Williams, Earl Watson

New York has Channing Frye, Eddy Curry, Quentin Richardson, Jamal Crawford, Stephon Marbury, Nate Robinson, Trevor Ariza, David Lee

it takes time. Memphis started off that season very poorly and turned it around too, you know.

Huge difference in quality of players.


I think the two groups are comparable

in what respect?

defensively? hell no.
rebounding? hell no.
offensively? prolly just as much firepower, tons less efficiency from the NY group.
intangibles? hell no. hardly any for that NY group.
coachability? no.
developmentally? hell no.

you're only saying the defense, intangibles, coachibility and development categories because of the turn around. You're right to say Bonzi showing up had a lot to do with the turn around. So did Hubie Brown. But, PRE turn around, I'm saying we're in a similar boat along with that Memphis team. Once players start winning, you start noticing the little things they do to win a game. Ariza has plenty of intangibles. So do Frye and Nate.
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12/16/2005  10:50 PM
well when Isiah trades for a guy like Bonzi Wells and signs a guy like Posey, let me know...
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