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12/15/2005  6:50 PM
Posted by McK1:
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Kwame Brown and Fred Jones

if LA needs a big expiring to complete an Artest deal:

Odom AD to Indy

Artest Q Croshere to LA

Brown Fred Jones Bender to NY

[Edited by - McK1 on 12-15-2005 4:30 PM]

And you want to fire Isiah for his moves.

who on NY is a better post defender than Kwame Brown?

who on NY is a better perimeter defender than Jones?

Kwame has a 3 yr deal, Jones is still playing on his rookie contract.

but lemme guess, you are still waiting for isiah to convince Kobe to come play for the MLE and AD and Penny for KG and Wally Z...



[Edited by - McK1 on 12-15-2005 6:31 PM]

I am not into that KG trade because it sounds ridculous from the beginning. The Wally for TT trade made sense last season. YOu do realize that Brown has been horrible in LA, they would gladly give you Brown for anything. Curry, and Brown would be so much worst. Brown may never get it. Like Curry he is perfectly fine with being the last option on a team. So no to Brown. The problem I have with Jones he is a bigger version than Nate Robinson. He will provide Defense but he is not capable of being the full time point man on a team. I don't have a problem with getting Jones but I don't want him here if Robinson is still on this team. At this point I have no problem moving Marbury for expiring contracts. The problem is that due to Brown influence, Marbury doesn't look like the Marbury from even last season.
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12/15/2005  6:50 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:

I would love to get Mike Bibby. there's a PG who would flourish under Larry Brown. Just as we were comparing him to Marbury the other day he wins the game for Sacramento. The guy hits big shot after big shot, has size and plays tough defense. It's too bad no one wants our guys because they are so severely overpaid so we have to settle for the watson and atkins of the world

What team in the NBA wouldn't want Mike Bibby. Too bad the Kings aren't going to trade him.
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12/15/2005  6:51 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:

It's too bad no one wants our guys because they are so severely overpaid so we have to settle for the watson and atkins of the world

I thought Isiah was supposedly the reverse of Layden
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12/15/2005  6:55 PM
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Respect Guns. Leave it to a regular to at least make sense and add some intelligence to the thread.

You know something. You disagree thats fine, but to say that theres no "intelligence" in this thread. That's a flat out diss. Just becuase you disagree doesnt mean people are not intellgient. I mean honestly, what the ****. I don't come here to get dissed by someone who thinks he knows everything, I come here to talk basketball, not to be insulted.

And another thing. I'm on this forum everyday since I joined, there hasn't been on day that I havent posted so check your ego at the door next time you log on.


[Edited by - nyk4ever on 12-15-2005 6:44 PM]

Ok I'm sorry about the "Diss", but make sense. I'm not about making people look stupid or makign them feel uncomfortable (which i think is dumb if you feel that way,)

There is no ego. I just want to know what people are thinking.

It's clear as day if you watch games that Larry is playing games trying to force trades cuz he does not liek the players. Everyone gives Larry a free pass and excuses because he is one of the best coaches alive. Yeah I agree that he is and his offense should be working but he is purposely tanking. I never seen Larry do this with any other team. I mean damn he almost won with the bums he had in Philly.....Iverson was the man but who else was on that team? A bunch of retards. Larry is better than this.......he is playing games.

The question was basically what will it take to make Larry stop tanking? David Wesley? Jared Jefferies?

Earl Watson is one of my favorite players but I don't think you get him with Marbs here. Marbs is a scorer but he is not a guy that can play off the ball. Marbs needs the ball in his hands to scorer.

Chucky can play, but getting him to "set up the offense"? Chucky is a shooter. We can use that....but off the bench.

You mean to tell me things will be better if we can get these guys? Larry wants to clean house and get a whole new roster. No way he could be tanking just to get some role players.
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12/15/2005  6:59 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:

What's the point of having a PG who can set up offense when no one on the team can shoot? juan dixon would be a terrible fit because the guy is a chucker and plays absolutely no defense. I forgot what team the Wizards traded him to but I remember reading that they hate his guts there. David Wesley is not even good enough for the Rockets he's shot. The knock on Jefferies is he can't shoot. I'm sure he's a little better than Ariza but we won't be improving much with him at SF because we'll still lack a shooter.
Last I checked Jeffries is a career 43% shooter, not too bad for a guy that shoots mid-range jumpers, yes he's had some trouble finishing but when you play with a guy like Gilbert Arenas who shoots the ball as much as he does, I would be surprised if I got the ball every now and then too. Lets take a look at Hollingers PER Defensive report on Jeffries
Jeffries discovered a role in his third NBA season, taking over as the Wizards' perimeter defensive stopper. Because he's 6-11 and has decent quickness, Jeffries proved a real headache for high-scoring small forwards. He also was among the Wizards' best help defenders, which is important on a team whose guards gamble so much. Sounds like a good defensive player to me.
We can use Mike Miller, Wally or even a guy like Jon Barry. Bobby Jackson would be nice too. A perimeter player who plays defense would be nice too.
Every team can use Mike Miller and the Grizzlies are 13-8, they aren't trading Miller, same goes for Bobby Jackson although he can never stay on the court.
Atkins would be nice little addition since he can shoot. Don't know how well he can run an offense though. He's a decent backup guard. We need a real PG Earl Watson might be our best bet and we need real SG not an undersized one.
I agree.
Putting all the blame on Larry as most are doing is obsurd. I fault the players more than anyone. Other than trading for Marbury, it's not Isiah's fault he was trying to build an uptempo team but Larry became available. He had to get Larry. Now it's up to Isiah to somehow fix this mess. Get a true franchise player/leader in here and guys who play defense, play smart and shoot the ball.
I agree with that as well.

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12/15/2005  6:59 PM
Larry is purposely tanking? Is that why we can't play defense?
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12/15/2005  7:02 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by EnySpree:



Respect Guns. Leave it to a regular to at least make sense and add some intelligence to the thread.

You know something. You disagree thats fine, but to say that theres no "intelligence" in this thread. That's a flat out diss. Just becuase you disagree doesnt mean people are not intellgient. I mean honestly, what the ****. I don't come here to get dissed by someone who thinks he knows everything, I come here to talk basketball, not to be insulted.

And another thing. I'm on this forum everyday since I joined, there hasn't been on day that I havent posted so check your ego at the door next time you log on.


[Edited by - nyk4ever on 12-15-2005 6:44 PM]


He said that? Enyspree is a cool guy. We met on opening night. Real cool guy. If he said that I don't think he meant to offend anyone. Everyone's irritated right now and for good reason. But you cannot blame Larry Brown when the guy has an amazing track record and just finished taking his team to 2 straight finals. It's not his fault this roster is flawed and full of gutless, severely overpaid players no one wants. We wanted Lsrry to start Curry & Frye start and they did and we got blown out in 2 winnable games at our homecourt. You are giving these castoffs way too much credit by blaming Larry. Like Clyde said, these guys need to put in the extra effort in practice. Work on their shooting and FT shooting. Play defense on every possession. Show some pride,especially at home! No daydreaming about the cheerleaders or what club are you going to party at after the game, what car you're planning on buying, no more dancing and singing on the sidelines and joking around when ur down 20 at home! PLAY WITH PRIDE!!!! Larry is a heck of a coach but he isn't a miracle worker! Isiah needs to stop overpaying guys so that we can trade them if they don't fit. Now we're stuck with a bunch of stupid, gutless players!
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12/15/2005  7:03 PM
Posted by Knight:

Larry is purposely tanking? Is that why we can't play defense?

Back to defense with you. So when do the Knicks score?

When does Larry decide to start the guy with 6 straight 20 point outings? When does he decide on a starting line-up? When does he decide on a rotation? What is the game plan? Don't turn the ball over and pray that you can hold the other team to 0?
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12/15/2005  7:06 PM
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by Knight:

Larry is purposely tanking? Is that why we can't play defense?

Back to defense with you. So when do the Knicks score?

When does Larry decide to start the guy with 6 straight 20 point outings? When does he decide on a starting line-up? When does he decide on a rotation? What is the game plan? Don't turn the ball over and pray that you can hold the other team to 0?

If you want to fast break and get easy transition baskets you have to make defensive stops. You can't expect to score all of your points against a set defense. Also, I wish Larry would stop turning the ball over so much.

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12/15/2005  7:09 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by EnySpree:



Respect Guns. Leave it to a regular to at least make sense and add some intelligence to the thread.

You know something. You disagree thats fine, but to say that theres no "intelligence" in this thread. That's a flat out diss. Just becuase you disagree doesnt mean people are not intellgient. I mean honestly, what the ****. I don't come here to get dissed by someone who thinks he knows everything, I come here to talk basketball, not to be insulted.

And another thing. I'm on this forum everyday since I joined, there hasn't been on day that I havent posted so check your ego at the door next time you log on.


[Edited by - nyk4ever on 12-15-2005 6:44 PM]


He said that? Enyspree is a cool guy. We met on opening night. Real cool guy. If he said that I don't think he meant to offend anyone. Everyone's irritated right now and for good reason. But you cannot blame Larry Brown when the guy has an amazing track record and just finished taking his team to 2 straight finals. It's not his fault this roster is flawed and full of gutless, severely overpaid players no one wants. We wanted Lsrry to start Curry & Frye start and they did and we got blown out in 2 winnable games at our homecourt. You are giving these castoffs way too much credit by blaming Larry. Like Clyde said, these guys need to put in the extra effort in practice. Work on their shooting and FT shooting. Play defense on every possession. Show some pride,especially at home! No daydreaming about the cheerleaders or what club are you going to party at after the game, what car you're planning on buying, no more dancing and singing on the sidelines and joking around when ur down 20 at home! PLAY WITH PRIDE!!!! Larry is a heck of a coach but he isn't a miracle worker! Isiah needs to stop overpaying guys so that we can trade them if they don't fit. Now we're stuck with a bunch of stupid, gutless players!

My thing is guys wouldn't be daydreaming if they knew what Larry was trying to do on the court.

I keep saying it.....what will make things right? What will satisfy all the people that are calling for Isiah's head?

Larry is one of the best coaches in the world. He does not like the team so he checks the player profiles on NBA.com to decide on a starting line-up, lol......

Geez man.......I sound like a broken record. Starting line-up, Rotation, plan of attack.....is it that hard? No......larry simply doesn't like these players so he is playing around until Isiah makes trades for people he likes.
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12/15/2005  7:09 PM
give them sometime to fix this mess and get players who play with pride, hit big shots, play smart and play defense. Hopefully Isiah learned from his mistakes this time around. Lets see what he does with these expiring contracts. Does he bring in more overpaid garbage or does he acquire draft picks and start building for the future. What in the world are we going to do about Marbury? What team in their right mind is going to want him and his $20mm per year contract?
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12/15/2005  7:12 PM
Posted by Knight:
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by Knight:

Larry is purposely tanking? Is that why we can't play defense?

Back to defense with you. So when do the Knicks score?

When does Larry decide to start the guy with 6 straight 20 point outings? When does he decide on a starting line-up? When does he decide on a rotation? What is the game plan? Don't turn the ball over and pray that you can hold the other team to 0?

If you want to fast break and get easy transition baskets you have to make defensive stops. You can't expect to score all of your points against a set defense. Also, I wish Larry would stop turning the ball over so much.

I guess Isiah is the one who turns the ball over.

I also wish he would stick with a rotation and play to the teams strengths on offense. Turnovers are happening cuz guys are confused on what Larry wants.

edit:You try to get stops to start the fastbreak and get easy shots.....yeah that's what wins championships.......Still, you have to have a plan of attack. How are you going to attack another team with your offense? How are you gonn utilize your strengths on offense to attack the other team.

[Edited by - enyspree on 12-15-2005 7:15 PM]
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12/15/2005  7:13 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:



I am not into that KG trade because it sounds ridculous from the beginning. The Wally for TT trade made sense last season. YOu do realize that Brown has been horrible in LA, they would gladly give you Brown for anything. Curry, and Brown would be so much worst. Brown may never get it. Like Curry he is perfectly fine with being the last option on a team. So no to Brown. The problem I have with Jones he is a bigger version than Nate Robinson. He will provide Defense but he is not capable of being the full time point man on a team. I don't have a problem with getting Jones but I don't want him here if Robinson is still on this team. At this point I have no problem moving Marbury for expiring contracts. The problem is that due to Brown influence, Marbury doesn't look like the Marbury from even last season.

Phil has decided to move Brown to 5 which is what I would want him to play here. Theobservations of the Lakers board on realgm are in line with what I suspect happens when he plays there. He is a mismatch physically in the low post and you really get to see his passing skills flourish. Unlike Curry the 277 lbs is muscle and he has the stamina to run the floor

Jones is nothing like Nate. He is a defensive 2 with pg skills in the mold of Trent Hassell. He is physical and has a lot of stamina out there. His jumpshot has improved and so has his range.

my pg (and 3 choice) was Diener (along with Hill) in a 3 way with Houston. Marbury to Houston, Swift and filler to the Magic, Hill and Diener to NJ

pf Frye and Lee
c Brown/Curry
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12/15/2005  7:14 PM
Larry wants our guys to pass to the open man, I guess that is confusing to Marbury.
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12/15/2005  7:18 PM
Posted by Knight:

Larry wants our guys to pass to the open man, I guess that is confusing to Marbury.

Marbury should be setting up Malik Rose right? Rose should be setting a screen to get Marbs a clear path to the rim where Marbs can make plays not looking to be Karl Malone.
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12/15/2005  7:21 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

I guess Isiah is the one who turns the ball over.

I also wish he would stick with a rotation and play to the teams strengths on offense. Turnovers are happening cuz guys are confused on what Larry wants.

I just think the team is "confused" to what Larry wants becuase they aren't smart basketball players. For all of Marburys great stats year in and year out there haven't been that many times I've seen him make a play and say wow that was a smart basketball play. Thats just my opinion, I don't remember seeing it. Nate/Jamal and their shot selection is also a reason I don't think their smart basketball palyers. Nate should know shot selection know after playing 3 years in college but he doesn't and Crawford should know shot selection after playing in the NBA for 5-6 years. I think the only guy on this team right now that is a "smart" basketball player is Frye aside from Malik (who just flat out sucks.) If Frye sees his shot he takes it, if not he passes it up AND he has had no problem at all picking up the offense. I think Larry lacks smart players which is what his offense is based on. If he doesnt get the players then we'll just have to be patient and wait for these guys to get drilled enough to where they pick it up.

Spree, I know what your saying but I dont think Larry should have to change his ways. Everywhere he's been his offense has worked, and its worked real well. I think the fact that these Knick players can't pick it up is more of a testament to the fact that they aren't very smart basketball players at all.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 12-15-2005 7:22 PM]
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12/15/2005  7:25 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
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Respect Guns. Leave it to a regular to at least make sense and add some intelligence to the thread.

You know something. You disagree thats fine, but to say that theres no "intelligence" in this thread. That's a flat out diss. Just becuase you disagree doesnt mean people are not intellgient. I mean honestly, what the ****. I don't come here to get dissed by someone who thinks he knows everything, I come here to talk basketball, not to be insulted.

And another thing. I'm on this forum everyday since I joined, there hasn't been on day that I havent posted so check your ego at the door next time you log on.


[Edited by - nyk4ever on 12-15-2005 6:44 PM]


whenever someone says anything about lack of intelligence in a forum you have to take it with a grain of salt because we don't know anything about each other outside of Knicks basketball. I don't think Eny was flat out insulting the people in this thread. People use the wrong words to express themselves and their disagreement sometimes. Now if someone blatantly goes after someone, calling them names, talking about people's dead mothers etc then its different. We've seen it happen before and those posters are banned really quick.

Let's put it this way..I know everyone is entitled to their opinions but if I was trying to make a point that was just flat out obsurd and ridiculous i would not get offended if someone said I was lacking in intelligence because I'd know they're ony questioning my posting on a basketball forum and nothing else. I would problably let him know there's no reason to call me stupid and just agree to disagree.
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12/15/2005  7:26 PM
Guns, its over with. we've moved on.
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12/15/2005  7:28 PM
well there was that Lee to Marbury back to Lee play against LA that was great. LB rightfully sang Steph's praise after that game. Unfortunaely in Marbury's eyes that night was the hardest 10 ssists he got in his life...

Curiously its been 11 games and we have not seen an effort like that from him again.
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12/15/2005  7:31 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
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I would love to get Mike Bibby. there's a PG who would flourish under Larry Brown. Just as we were comparing him to Marbury the other day he wins the game for Sacramento. The guy hits big shot after big shot, has size and plays tough defense. It's too bad no one wants our guys because they are so severely overpaid so we have to settle for the watson and atkins of the world

What team in the NBA wouldn't want Mike Bibby. Too bad the Kings aren't going to trade him.


I know that. it just shows how much of a mess Isiah got us in since we can't go after players who would help us win again like Bibby because no one wants our overpaid garbage. I still blame the players more than i blame Isiah though. Yeah they're not great shooters, yeah they're a little stupid(marbury, crawford etc) but there's no reason for them to be gutless. They have no pride. They have to at least play hard but they don't. Maybe settling on a rotation will get the players more focused and eventually Larry will settle on one. Larry tried everything he could to give every guy a chance at stepping up to the plate and no one did for various reasons. Now we have to get rid of some of these guys and hope things turn around.
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