Let's say we didn't have Frye... would Minny still do the deal with us to save themselves $120 mil and just take our youngsters like Butler, Ariza, Nate, and Lee?

If anyone thinks yes then this is good enough reason for Isiah to hold off on Fryeand play some hardball. You guys act like saving $120 million doesn't mean anything... remember we are a mega market team unlike Minny. To them $120 mil is a big deal and I am sure they would want a team to tank the next season or 2 and grab someone off the draft AT LEAST as good as Frye preferably better.

Posted by Stevo718:

Let's say we didn't have Frye... would Minny still do the deal with us to save themselves $120 mil and just take our youngsters like Butler, Ariza, Nate, and Lee?

If anyone thinks yes then this is good enough reason for Isiah to hold off on Fryeand play some hardball. You guys act like saving $120 million doesn't mean anything... remember we are a mega market team unlike Minny. To them $120 mil is a big deal and I am sure they would want a team to tank the next season or 2 and grab someone off the draft AT LEAST as good as Frye preferably better.

Great point. I was just there, and I had no idea how much of a small market it is (fooled by Prince). I was working at one of Taylor's sites and all of his employees were killing the man. I heard stories about how tightfisted the guy was and how bad he was strapped for cash. My repsonse was but he gave Garnett all that money. They have said that he has been hurting ever since. Tell me if you think $28,000 is a good offer for somone coming out of grad school with honors. McHale loves Frye, he said that before the draft. Not surprised by that he is insisting on him.

Posted by tkf:

Posted by Bonn1997:

At that point, I will join islefan

I'm not sure he'll join you, though! as a knicks hater/detractor or whatever you refer to him as. He was referring to a deal where we get Garnett as a steal even if we give up BOTH Frye and Curry.

man,well that is too bad, I guess isle and I will never be on the same side of the fence..

tkf - i'm going down to boca sunday through wednesday and am going to the knicks/heat game in miami monday night. are you going to the game as well?

KG is no CWebb. He can def. come up big when they need him to be.

Anyone remember the WCF 2 years ago?

Not only that, but since when do big men get the ball in crunch time?

I rarely remember Shaq being the go-to-guy in the closing minutes...

Duncan?

Same.


I think the only problem would be then, can MARBURY be clutch?

B/c let's face it. San Antonio has Ginobili. Detroit has Billups. Miami has Wade. Indiana might have a similar problem as us (although who knows Artest's potential). Phoenix has Nash.

I def. don't think Frye can ever be as dominant as Duncan or Garnett (not by a longshot), and I don't think his impact on a game will compare to any of the superstars around the league, but do I think 22 and 10 is possible for him in the future? -- yes.

I'll say this though -- we might have the same problem(s) WITHOUT KG, as we might WITH him. Only difference is that you have enough firepower now to dominate teams in the early run...

I think the opposite is the case.

If you're looking for equal value forget about it. The only scenario I'd consider that is if KG demanded a trade.

Anything else, and you look into getting immediate and massive cap relief, b/c no matter what the scenario (trading for equal value or cap space) you're still bound to lose tons of $$$ by not having KG.

Might as well try to break even and start over then lose $$$ and have a slightly worse team...

You know, I said this in the last thread.. I like Channing Frye's potential, he is a very talented rookie big man; But Kevin Garnett is a proven superstar player. We need a superstar to put us over the hump. So if it means including our prized rookie in a deal to obtain K.G., I'm all for it. Channing Frye should not be the sticking point in getting K.G., that would be really stupid. Garnett may not deliver a championship this year.. but what about next year w/ Steph and Co... Larry Brown is arguably the best coach in terms of X's and O's in the game.. If anybody can make Garnett/Marbury winners, within the next few years its him!

That being said, if we were able to somehow manage to pull off a deal like this without giving up Channing, this may be one that makes sense for Minny; IF their primary concern is shaving the salary cap and getting some young talent in the process. If that's the case, NY might have the best chance out of all the suitors because of Dolan's willingness to absorb high salaried contracts; and if it meant getting K.G. I wouldn't blame him:

Penny, A.D., Mo Taylor, Ariza, Lee, Robinson and next yr's 1st rd pick
for K.G., Szczerbiak, and Hudson.

If Mo Taylor isn't enticing... maybe we can ship Q-Rich off in that package instead; I think that he'll be hard to deal because of his back not being insured.

Really anyone is available if i'm GM... BUT, I'd try to keep Curry, Marbury, Crawford and Frye out of talks. I like the chemistry between Craw and Curry.

ANYWAY, as of now this is all wishful thinking... Owner Glen Taylor has said that K.G is not available.. we'll see. I think in order for a trade to happen, K.G. will have to publically campaign to be traded to NY. Doesn't seem to be "The Kids" style. I remain optimistic!

Posted by Mac:

KG >>> Frye

Who wouldn't give up Frye to be an elite team for half a decade???

i wouldnt, i went through that in the 90s, one of the elite, but not the best. we could possibly have an elite team with Frye anyways.

Posted by gunsnewing:

I can already see it... Frye starts today picks up 2 quick fouls and is only able to play 20mins and people will be beggin for KG

yea, there are definately a lot of flip-floppers on here.

Posted by djsunyc:

philosophy philosophy philosophy

moving frye or curry will go against the philosphy we've been asking for the past 5 years. is that what we want to do? we're not just talking about KG here, but wally AND troy. can you imagine if KG goes down or we can't get past the 2nd round? we're DEAD with those contracts...DEAD.

No mannnnnnnnnnnnn, the Philosophy is.. and always will be to develop a winning team. Regardless, of how it's done. Trade or via Draft. I will say this.. "the window of opportunity for this team as presently constructed, is within the next 10 years for Marbury and Larry Brown to get a chip. The issue is they both have about 5 yrs left to make it happen. Pairing Starbury with a franchise caliber talent like KG, coupled with Larry Brown's coaching is bound to accelerate that 10 yr's to maybe 2-5 yrs tops. WHY, wouldn't you take a chance on winning? As for the contract's, again so what.. we are capped out until 2010 anyway... why show financial responsibility now, especially at the expense of acquiring a superstar?

as each day goes by, i am more and more against the KG idea. penny + AD? sure, where do i sign. but once frye and curry are mentioned...thanks but no thanks. like i said before, KG hasn't been good enough to carry his team past the first round. who steps up for us in the playoffs? it's a huge risk and the kind of risk we have lobbied against since 2001.

First off, you can likely forget about Eddy Curry and Quentin Richardson being dealt away. The reason, both are HUGE risks given there medical history. Plus their deals are kinda crazy. If Minny does the deal w/ us, its to save money and get young talent in return.. They know their is no equal value in this league that compares to Garnett. If they trade him , it's because they wanna blow this thing up and start fresh like Phoenix did when they traded Starbury to us.

The second part of your comment that question's Kevin Garnett's ability to win. Ask your self, Do you really think the rookies will get us out of the 1st rd this year? Although KG, hasn't been fortunate enough to win a playoff series.. You can never question the effort that he gives night in and night out. In fact, he's had stellar individual playoff performances! His problem was, and continues to be ownerships inability to surround him with complimentary players. When it looked like he had that in Spree and Sam I Am, what happened... The squad choked, off court issues and injuries. You can't blame him for that.

it really is a tough choice but i feel that we're moving in the right direction finally. i don't want to derail it...and with our luck, you KNOW something funky is gonna happen.

I think we as fans are all making it a tougher call than it needs to be... Yes, we've gotten younger, more exciting and fun to watch, I can even say we are moving in the right direction... BUT the question remains, Are we a winning franchise? NO

Realistically how can you think that a superstar like KG will hinder our teams development any more than waiting on rookies to develop? I've seen posts about his age.. 29? well Steph is 28.. They are both in their prime, and you know Isiah is committed to him. This trade if it, were possible is a NO BRAINER. As good as Frye's potential is, a player like KG comes around once in every.. well ONCE! This guy could revolutionize the game.. he could be 7ft 2 Guard fam.. what other freak type player can that be said about. KG does it all!

Now that I've completely picked apart ya post.. I gotta say I do respect your opinions