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marbury asks to be the SG...and brown says NO (article)
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joec32033
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11/18/2005  9:28 AM
Posted by WOODMANnYk:

Gotta tell all of you this:

I don't know how much truth to this but i worked for an investment company in the city

My head trader speaks to another head trader from a different company daily..
The head trader he speaks to lives 2 houses away from Marbury's and Isiah's home..

The head trader's wife and Marbury's wife tend to mingle together with their kids in the park..
He told me that the head trader told him Marbury's wife is unhappy about their current situation. She says "My husband isn't happy and doesn't think the coach likes him..

She also said "they don't want to move from their current location but might have to relocate soon, possibly in the west coast which is an indication that Marbury will be traded somehow during the season..

This is what i was told from my head trader.. WH just gonna have to see


Sounds farfetched, but at least Mrs. Marbury is a reliable source.
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11/18/2005  10:21 AM
I'm so pissed that things have gotten this far out of hand. Trading Marbs is not really the problem....it's leaving on such a bad note.

Brown knows how to get his way. I knew this was gonna happen.


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11/18/2005  10:21 AM
Originally posted by Knight:One way to play D on Kobe is to make him work defensively...but our guards are incompetent half the time.

"Whenever you play against [Bryant], you have to be able to go back at him on the other end," Marbury said. "That's the only way to make him work and get tired."

Brown said Bryant didn't defend Marbury. "So who do I have to go back at Kobe?"
"He only went to Georgia Tech for one year, and that's an engineering school." -LB
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11/18/2005  10:30 AM
Posted by Knight:
Originally posted by Knight:One way to play D on Kobe is to make him work defensively...but our guards are incompetent half the time.

"Whenever you play against [Bryant], you have to be able to go back at him on the other end," Marbury said. "That's the only way to make him work and get tired."

Brown said Bryant didn't defend Marbury. "So who do I have to go back at Kobe?"
Yeah, that wasn't exactly an endorsement of Crawford or Q.

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11/18/2005  10:36 AM
^All these little comments are going to ruin any team unity we had before the LA game. All this talk about Marbury buying into to LB's system is wishful thinking--he does it because he HAS to, not because he wants to.
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11/18/2005  10:40 AM
I don't think it was a huge slap. I mean Craw has limited himself and going at Kobe might bring up the chucker in him. Q hasn't been used right at all, imo, this season, and he may be a little hurt, also.
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11/18/2005  10:43 AM
Posted by joec32033:

I don't think it was a huge slap. I mean Craw has limited himself and going at Kobe might bring up the chucker in him. Q hasn't been used right at all, imo, this season, and he may be a little hurt, also.

You could still make Kobe run through screens and chase you like a Rip Hamilton would.
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11/18/2005  10:45 AM
Posted by Knight:
Posted by joec32033:

I don't think it was a huge slap. I mean Craw has limited himself and going at Kobe might bring up the chucker in him. Q hasn't been used right at all, imo, this season, and he may be a little hurt, also.

You could still make Kobe run through screens and chase you like a Rip Hamilton would.


Very true. I think that this is LB's way of teaching. You want to be mentioned in the same class as Kobe, get better.
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11/18/2005  11:14 AM
Iverson is as much or stronger personality than Marbury. He's not going to win this one. He won 33 games last year doing it his way.

If he wants to play differently, he's going to have to demand a trade.

I'm a Starbury fan, but I'm a fan of the Win more.

If he's not onboard, then get out the way, I had no problem watching the kids finish the game against the lakers...it was actually enjoyable.
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11/18/2005  11:42 AM
I dont think this situation is as complicated as people are making out to be. stephon marbury's best attribute his is scoring plain and simple. with the team the way it is now, I personally think marbury would best be used to come off of the bench as a scoring machine and to finish games, alot similar to the way ben gordon is used in chicago. I know that neither crawford or nate or any truer of a PG than marbury is which is probably the only reason brown plays marbury at the PG spot. but I still think that it would make more sense to start nate at the pg spot and run a flex offense, similar to that of the san antonio spurs. and then when marbury comes into the game just let him play aggresive offensively and do his thing. that way theres alot of ball movement and everyone's talent is maximized. but then again what makes me think that Im a better coach than larry brown

[Edited by - slimpack on 11-18-2005 11:43 AM]
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11/18/2005  11:54 AM
If I was playing against Marbury I would be saying stuff like, "Hey Stephon, what's wrong with your game? Can't score anymore? Have you lost it? Afraid to come at me? Are you being whipped by Larry? You're playing like Eric Snow! You better pass that ball and get your teammates involved!" You know he's getting that on or off the court and it must drive him absolutely nuts since we all know how big his ego is.
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11/18/2005  11:56 AM
Posted by Knicksfan:

Even Isiah was right when he recently said that if Marbury had had a real coach in the early part of his career this would'nt even be an issue.

Just a minor point, but are guys like Flip Saunders, Scott Skiles, Mike D'Antoni (COY), really bad coaches, or just bad when they coach Steph?

Are players really poorly coached until they're coached by a top 5 or so coach of all time? And if so why then does Steph deign to mistrust an all time great even when he has one?


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11/18/2005  12:10 PM
This selfish nature is why I am not a Marbury fan. I still root for him because he is a Knick, but shut the F* CK up already.
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11/18/2005  12:13 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by Knicksfan:

Even Isiah was right when he recently said that if Marbury had had a real coach in the early part of his career this would'nt even be an issue.

Just a minor point, but are guys like Flip Saunders, Scott Skiles, Mike D'Antoni (COY), really bad coaches, or just bad when they coach Steph?

Are players really poorly coached until they're coached by a top 5 or so coach of all time? And if so why then does Steph deign to mistrust an all time great even when he has one?


Well if you think about it alot of those coaches changed their philosophys after marbury was traded, and also the reason he doesnt trust brown is becuase 1. the knicks are losing, and 2. what larry brown is trying to do doesn't make any sense. a team doesnt need a pure PG to be successful, it doesn't make sense for larry to try and turn marbury into one when the team will obviously be much better off making more use of his natural talents. Im starting to think that larry brown really is trying to manipulate zeke instead of win games.

[Edited by - slimpack on 11-18-2005 12:17 PM]
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11/18/2005  12:32 PM
Posted by SlimPack:
Well if you think about it alot of those coaches changed their philosophys after marbury was traded,

Could yopu be more specific? I'm not sure how flip or Skiles changed, and if you're thinking D'Antoni's style changed to more uptempo after Steph it's mainly because Steph and Hardaway refused to buy into that system. So rather than saying he changed I think it's more fair to say his style was thwarted by Steph (and others)


and also the reason he doesnt trust brown is becuase 1. the knicks are losing,

That was to be expected by most level headed analysts. And we should remember we were on the losing end of a season last year too, before LB. And we lost to LA even when Steph scored 45.

Point being, who's Steph to think he knows more about winning than Brown?
and 2. what larry brown is trying to do doesn't make any sense. a team doesnt need a pure PG to be successful, it doesn't make sense for larry to try and turn marbury into one when the team will obviously be much better off making more use of his natural talents.

I'm not sure about that. There have been teams who won with a pG as their leading scorer: Isiah, Magic, and clyde.

Magic was as pure as they come, in spite of being a great scorer.
Clyde wasn't nearly as gifted a PG as magic and stockton etc, but Red Holtzman had him playing in the Larry brown/Billups mold and it worked.
Isiah was often moved to the off-guard with Dumars playing the pure PG role.

so even the great scoring PGs played "the right way", what hasn't worked was guys dominating from the point to the exclusion of their teammates. Even the great oscar robertson couldn't do that, and he learned to make his teammates better.
Im starting to think that larry brown really is trying to manipulate zeke instead of win games.

To what end?


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11/18/2005  12:33 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by Knicksfan:

Even Isiah was right when he recently said that if Marbury had had a real coach in the early part of his career this would'nt even be an issue.

Just a minor point, but are guys like Flip Saunders, Scott Skiles, Mike D'Antoni (COY), really bad coaches, or just bad when they coach Steph?

Are players really poorly coached until they're coached by a top 5 or so coach of all time? And if so why then does Steph deign to mistrust an all time great even when he has one?

Good point, but I think that the Young marbs would go off pouting, demand a trade or cause trouble. Those great coaches also did the rep and leverage they have now. They were younger coaches then with more fragile situation and going up against the "Star"bury would not yield a good result and perhaps cost them their job.

He was shipped out of those places eventually. But they coached to him, now he is being handled and while he might know its the right thing, its not easy to check his ego.


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11/18/2005  12:36 PM
Look can we at least admit that Steph has adjusted his game to be he kind of player that LB wants. He's playing tough D, so much so that he's often being used to guard much bigger SG's. He taking less shots. He's consistently giving up the ball early in the shot clock as the offense prescibes. He actually had a solid game against the Lakers except for his shotting %. He had 10 assists and ran the plays correctly far more than he didn't, despite what LB says and trust me he DOES tend to exaggerate, Steph is trying to do what is asked.

Tell me does ANY PG really like playing in LB's system? NO. They all fought it to some degree. All of his teams start off slow and he's constantly bashing his PG's. So this is not news to me. It was expected. But it doesn't have to mean the end of all things, just because they had a few verbal jabs. Steph isn't a problem at practice or in the huddle. He's been good according to all his teammates. So lets just relax a bit on this media hyped tiff.
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11/18/2005  12:48 PM
Changing is not as easy as waking up and stating this morning I'm not going to do things I did yesterday. This dude has been playing a certain way of basketball since he started playing the game and now he has to change or get criticized and traded again. I feel Marbury is better suited to play shooting guard, but that's a lot like quitting to me. This is a challenge that could make or break the rest of his career. If he gets traded than everyone will say at least we got rid of that cancer in Starbury and if he is succesful than everyone will ride his unit like they always knew he had it in him. I would like to see Larry and Steph come to some middle ground and at least let Steph get some run at shooting guard because I believe Jamal has the ability to play point. At least it would cut down on some of JC's wild shots because he would have to worry about getting everyone involved instead of jacking.
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11/18/2005  12:48 PM
SAS made an interesting point on his show today...stephon marbury asked to be moved to the shooting guard, after proclaiming himself to be the best PG in the league after just 8 games.
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11/18/2005  1:01 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

SAS made an interesting point on his show today...stephon marbury asked to be moved to the shooting guard, after proclaiming himself to be the best PG in the league after just 8 games.


"He only went to Georgia Tech for one year, and that's an engineering school." -LB
marbury asks to be the SG...and brown says NO (article)

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