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djsunyc
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11/17/2005  1:14 AM
We have seen Steph take over games for stretches.

and the problem is that it's rarely ever done in the final mins of the game.
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11/17/2005  1:15 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

craw is absolute doo doo on defense. we can start 10 threads about it and i'll agree every time. but i understand where he is as a player and in his development. he has a long long way to go.

yes, our offense is a work in progress and times will be tough and we will be adjusting. i see steph legitimately trying hard to fit in. i see him really making a difference defensively. and that's awesome. but, imho, i would like to see us utilize his best skillset and that's his scoring ability...and that's seems to be taken away from him. and if we don't utilize that, then you get a stat line that's very much brevin knight-ish. that's my whole thing. let him do what he does best and let someone else try to run the team. that's all i'm saying.


I agree I think brown should do what he did in the olympics and just let marbury play the way he plays on offense, and still hold him accountable on defense. even if it means reducing his minutes.
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11/17/2005  1:16 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

right. thanks for the little personal digs.


I didn't mean to imply you're not intelligent, sorry if that came off wrong. Still, you do stretch things out too much. Learn to be a bit skeptical sometimes, don't leap to conclusions so easily.
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11/17/2005  1:17 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
We have seen Steph take over games for stretches.

and the problem is that it's rarely ever done in the final mins of the game.


Too true. But he has looked better each game for longer stretches at a time. I'm supporting him for the rest of the season. If he doesn't learn to lead by the end of this year, he's had his chance and it's time to move on.
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11/17/2005  1:18 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

and the problem is that it's rarely ever done in the final mins of the game.


OK, since you're the one making this claim let's see you back it up. 82games.com has crunch time stats for all players for the 04/05 season. Dig up Marbury's and compare his numbers to players of comparable caliber. Where's the beef?
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11/17/2005  1:19 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
look at steph on the bench, he was sulking, had his towel over his head and looked upset. it's what i SAW on tv.

i can praise him when he does well and i can criticize him when he doesn't. like i said, it's a different set of rules for him.

I really wouldn't be sad if I never saw Steph wearing a towel over his head on our bench ever again, or walking thru the tunnel. It's his own little self contained and inaccessible world of woe. You'll see other guys patting his head or butt and lifting HIS spirit; but him, he just retreats into his own dark and "misunderstood" little world.
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11/17/2005  1:19 AM
Posted by tomverve:
Posted by djsunyc:

right. thanks for the little personal digs.


I didn't mean to imply you're not intelligent, sorry if that came off wrong. Still, you do stretch things out too much. Learn to be a bit skeptical sometimes, don't leap to conclusions so easily.

yes, the milwaukee post was a little out there.

but i don't think anything i said about marbury being taken out was a reach.
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11/17/2005  1:20 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
We have seen Steph take over games for stretches.

and the problem is that it's rarely ever done in the final mins of the game.


so refreshing to finally see someone who sees what I see as the biggest reason we lose games down the stretch since trading for Marbury and forcing him to be the go to guy
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11/17/2005  1:21 AM
Posted by tomverve:
Posted by djsunyc:

and the problem is that it's rarely ever done in the final mins of the game.


OK, since you're the one making this claim let's see you back it up. 82games.com has crunch time stats for all players for the 04/05 season. Dig up Marbury's and compare his numbers to players of comparable caliber. Where's the beef?

It isn't the stats. It's the steel to carry the team to a win when they start to get shaken. He can do it. He hasn't yet.



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11/17/2005  1:24 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

but i don't think anything i said about marbury being taken out was a reach.


I dunno. If you think there's trouble brewing because Larry pulls a strange rotation move, then we must be about to trade half the roster. I didn't hear anyone make a big deal about Curry when LB took him out for Rose against GS. Whatever you conclude from this one substitution from this one game about Stephon and LB, you also have to conclude about Curry and LB. I think the wiser choice is to not conclude anything until we start to actually see a pattern of substitutions like this. Til then, it's just one game, and who knows what was on LB's mind.
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11/17/2005  1:24 AM
Posted by tomverve:
Posted by djsunyc:

and the problem is that it's rarely ever done in the final mins of the game.


OK, since you're the one making this claim let's see you back it up. 82games.com has crunch time stats for all players for the 04/05 season. Dig up Marbury's and compare his numbers to players of comparable caliber. Where's the beef?

forget #'s. there's way too many times during close games we needed marbury to step it up but didn't. i'm talking as a fan here. i have season tickets so i go to all the home games. every single time the crowd is just waiting for him but ultimately gets deflated. how many times do we hear clyde say "it's time for marbury to step up" during 4th quarter of games...and it doesn't really come. can you name some games where he has? i can only think of a handful of games. and i'm a marbury fan but i understand his shortcomings as well.
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11/17/2005  1:25 AM
Posted by crzymdups:
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Exactly. Kobe has a great feel for game situations.

please. He felt his way to the same record Steph felt his way to last season.

Right, while playing in 16 fewer games.
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11/17/2005  1:26 AM
Posted by TemujinKnick:

It isn't the stats. It's the steel to carry the team to a win when they start to get shaken. He can do it. He hasn't yet.


Nonsense. If a guy makes a difference in the clutch, it's because he did something to affect the score of the game. Conversely, if a guy's presence has no statistical effect on the game during the clutch, then by definition he cannot have made a difference to the outcome of the game.
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11/17/2005  1:27 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

forget #'s.


Why? I want you to prove this to me. I don't buy it. Show me.
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11/17/2005  1:29 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by tomverve:
Posted by djsunyc:

and the problem is that it's rarely ever done in the final mins of the game.


OK, since you're the one making this claim let's see you back it up. 82games.com has crunch time stats for all players for the 04/05 season. Dig up Marbury's and compare his numbers to players of comparable caliber. Where's the beef?

forget #'s. there's way too many times during close games we needed marbury to step it up but didn't. i'm talking as a fan here. i have season tickets so i go to all the home games. every single time the crowd is just waiting for him but ultimately gets deflated. how many times do we hear clyde say "it's time for marbury to step up" during 4th quarter of games...and it doesn't really come. can you name some games where he has? i can only think of a handful of games. and i'm a marbury fan but i understand his shortcomings as well.


I know exactly what you are talking about DJ. It's shocking how so many fans don't see this. Maybe its denial. Maybe I'm trying too hard to not get overly attached to a player after being torn once Ewing was traded. I don't know..
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11/17/2005  1:31 AM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by Knight:

Exactly. Kobe has a great feel for game situations.

please. He felt his way to the same record Steph felt his way to last season.

Right, while playing in 16 fewer games.


and in the west. you know your stuff BlueSeats, I'm impressed!
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Posted by tomverve:
Posted by djsunyc:

forget #'s.


Why? I want you to prove this to me. I don't buy it. Show me.

that's alright. i'll leave the # look-up to you. don't really care if you agree with me or not, i'm just going by what i see. and to me, there were way too many times at the end of the shot clock or at the end of the game where he just doesn't get it done. if you don't want to see it or don't agree, then fine. we'll agree to disagree.
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11/17/2005  1:33 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by tomverve:
Posted by djsunyc:

forget #'s.


Why? I want you to prove this to me. I don't buy it. Show me.

that's alright. i'll leave the # look-up to you. don't really care if you agree with me or not, i'm just going by what i see. and to me, there were way too many times at the end of the shot clock or at the end of the game where he just doesn't get it done. if you don't want to see it or don't agree, then fine. we'll agree to disagree.


leave it to the jury
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11/17/2005  1:36 AM
and in the west. you know your stuff BlueSeats, I'm impressed!


Thanks.
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11/17/2005  1:38 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

if you don't want to see it or don't agree


Neither. I don't disagree and I don't not want to see it. Just trying to raise the bar a bit. One of the most frustrating things in sports is all this he-said she-said. People will make claims and run with it and spout and go on and on, and in many cases it's a waste of time because the original idea was flawed or poorly conceived. I'm not saying you're wrong about Marbury, but I am saying that this whole Marbury thing is one big tired karmic cycle over and over. I am getting tired of this spin wash. Let's break out. Show me the stats. If not, you will be reincarnated as a flatworm in Marbs' intestines, duking it out with the other flatworms ad nauseam.
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