Posted by bobs3304:

i love how all these "smart" knick fans have us DOWNgrading in talent with their "spectacular" Marbury trades.

The ONLY way you deal a player of his caliber (and for the record I WOULD like to move him), is for complete cap space, or equal/UPgraded talent.

Anything else is a waste of ****in time.

You need a solid core. If you don't have a superstar, you need multiple 1st/2nd tier stars (see Milwaukee, Denver, etc).

While Curry and Crawford and Frye, etc. MIGHT turn out to be 2nd tier stars in the future....guys like Wally Sczerb will NEVER be.

You don't go off trading All-Star talent for less than that, unless millions of dollars are going the other way...

GOT IT!?

Posted by NYKBocker:

Posted by rvhoss:

so nykbocker, you'd replace marb in our starting lineup with wally?

for shame.

re-read bobs' post

I wasn't responding to Bobs' post. I was stating something I have always been saying since Stephon arrived. I am not a fan but I am rooting for Marbury because he is a Knick. I would however do a Wally trade for Marbury. I view Wally's consistent outside shooting as a premium.

[Edited by - NYKBocker on 11-11-2005 4:12 PM]

Posted by bobs3304:

Posted by Bobs3304:


And Calderon may or may not be the real deal, but the rule still applies. You don't trade All-Star talent unless you're getting back equal/upgraded talent or cap space.

Anything else is truly a waste of time...

Think about it.

Posted by BRIGGS:


Pheonix traded Marbury for cap space with no guarantee they would get anyone, they got NOTHING in return--they sold the picks and only used mcdyess for 20 games, and guess what? they made out well!

Correct me if I'm wrong, but all contracts we sent to Phoenix were expiring.

CAP SPACE.

End of story...

What did I tell you before....the rule still applies:

Total Cap Space OR Equal/Upgraded Talent


[Edited by - bobs3304 on 11-11-2005 5:50 PM]

Let me break it down like this

Rose==monetary function to make it economically feasible for Toronto
Calderon-6-3 pass first tempo PG who is 23-we are rebuilding
and lets say since toronto has 5 number 1 picks in the next 3 years --it would make more sense for us to get 1, so we can benefit immediately.

for Toronto--it gives them a star that sells tickets and is locked into a contract[its important to have guys locked in in Tor, gives the franchise a huge boost, a big story, and maybe the athletic players tor has would mesh more with marbury.






we insert calderon as a 24 minute 1 and we use the pick and davis to see if something else is out there that makes sense for us and if not, we keep building through the draft.

segmented break up that makes sense

Posted by BRIGGS:


Let me break it down like this

Rose = monetary function to make it economically feasible for Toronto
Calderon-6-3 pass first tempo PG who is 23-we are rebuilding
and lets say since toronto has 5 number 1 picks in the next 3 years --it would make more sense for us to get 1, so we can benefit immediately.

for Toronto--it gives them a star that sells tickets and is locked into a contract[its important to have guys locked in in Tor, gives the franchise a huge boost, a big story, and maybe the athletic players tor has would mesh more with marbury.

we insert calderon as a 24 minute 1 and we use the pick and davis to see if something else is out there that makes sense for us and if not, we keep building through the draft.

segmented break up that makes sense

Posted by fishmike:

that trade sucks to new proportions. Send them AD in that trade. Thats a cap trade, you dont need to put Marbury in that. If you take Rose of the Raps hands it frees up $15mm+ in cap space BEFORE they have to give Bosh a big extension. That alone is worth it me. No need to give up Marbury.

Sorry but failure to figure out how to use a guard that puts up 20/8 and shoots > 44% that also gets to the line represents a failure by this coaching staff, NOT the GM.

God forbid we try to get these guys doing what they already know what to do.