well we are on the same page because thats my gist. Agree 100% on magnitude being inflated on both the good sides and the bad sides. Also agree that the guys that are + right now are probably going to stay plus.

You and Isiah were using 17 games out of 294 to judge whether or not the Big Stiff was worth that contract.

Please show me where i said that! All I said was that if he started, I thought his #s would be somewhere between his career playoff and career regular season #s.

17 games bla bla bla. How many times do I have to drill it in peoples heads that his series against the Kings last year was the most overrated performance ever, considering 1) the crappiness of the Kings frontcourt and 2) Brad Miller was as gimpy as you could have asked of him to be. Then he went back to his regular self against the Spurs. That turned out to be about a 7 game series right? That's 12 games already. So his impressiveness, if anything, has been quite overrated in the playoffs at least by a certain couple of posters on UK. It was a stupid signing. He is paid way too much money, he has way too many years, he's fat, he's below mediocre, he's a waste of roster space and if anything, he hinders the development of Frye, Lee and even Butler. I guess people supported this decision.

Posted by Bonn1997:

Not sure who you're referring to. I was okay with the signing although it definitely may turn out to be a mistake. I wasn't nearly as enthusiastic at any point about JJ as Briggs was after the playoffs, though. Briggs got me into looking more closely at JJ.

That's quite a pair you have, blaming others for your own opinions. Yeah, Briggs is why you persistently mentioned the 17 playoff games whenever anybody had anything negative to say about the Big Stiff signing.

not to throw fuel on the fire, but you can't divide 17 by 294 because he does not have the ability to play in 294 games as in the 3/82 he could conceivably (sp?) play in all 82 games.

He DID play in 294 games. That's the total games he's played so far in his career.

17 divided by 294 is the pct of games that Bonnie decided to focus on instead of the vast majority of his career spent as an underperforming stiff.

Posted by tomverve:

Posted by rvhoss:

not to throw fuel on the fire, but you can't divide 17 by 294 because he does not have the ability to play in 294 games as in the 3/82 he could conceivably (sp?) play in all 82 games.

come on, how come nobody caught that?

The most games he could have "played in" is what you can divide. (basic math)

So last year he played in 11 games, the most he could have played in that year was 28 (assuming 4 7 game series?)

So, I'd have to say the 11 game sample is of 28 games or about 39%.

Long story short, 3 regular season games are not the same at 17 playoff games. Or last years 11 for that matter.

sorry, I was a stat major and I hate to see numbers used incorrectly by novices.

[Edited by - rvhoss on 11-09-2005 5:45 PM]

I didn't follow all of it but he's obviously right about 17 playoff games being more important than 3 regular seasons games. You don't have to be a JJ supporter (if there even are any?) to accept that. RV should have put "PWNED" at the end though!