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11/2/2005  2:24 PM
Although he makes a good point with Jerome James, the rest does seem pretty unfair. You can question every one of those moves but I can't see how you call hiring one of the top two coaches in the NBA a stupid move, regardless of who is on our team. I also thought it was funny how they labeled Sweetney as a guy who was going to break out this year - I'm sure if the Curry trade never went down, they'd say Curry was about to break out.
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11/2/2005  2:30 PM
Posted by Nalod:

Isles is a good poster that way, he takes the extreme view and runs with it.

i agree. he certainly has carved out a niche for himself. heck, he has me writing a post about him. i just don't know if he actually believes it and actually has that much of a distaste for this team. it could stem from possibly having some bowel movement problems or lack of consistent seminal relief. not sure but he sure does stick to his guns. or maybe isles is just some made up character by a poster here and just chimes in from time to time to keep things interesting. who knows but it's all good. freedom of speech baby, freedom of speech.
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11/2/2005  2:31 PM
agreed about Larry - The comparison to his 65-year-old dad is kinda irrelevant and juvenile. I know plenty of 65-year-olds who can hold their own in a 3-on-3, The world is changing and peeps are living longer. And this is no ordinary 65-year-old coaching the knicks, it's L.B. Einstein was no ordinary 65-year old either.
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11/2/2005  2:44 PM
As much as I like Bill Simmons (funny guy and he is a Holy Cross grad), I don't see how you can bash the Larry Brown signing. I'm not a fan of the other points he made either, but at least with those you can make an argument against what the Knicks have done (especially with the Jerome James signing). However, I just don't see how you can say signing Larry was a bad move. While I was also puzzled by why Larry didn't use the young guys in the Olympics (and I actually fault Larry to a cetain extent because of it), it doesn't take away from the fact that he is an excellent teacher for these young guys. I don't think anyone expects Larry to put guys like Ariza and Frye into the starting lineup right now (though we want that to happen), we understand though that Larry will work them into more playing time as the season progresses. I really don't see how Larry will avoid playing young guys in this situation because most of our team is full of them. Even if Larry fails because of a reluctance to play the young guys, I still wouldn't blame Isiah for hiring a top 3 coach in the league. What I'm saying is even if this doesn't work out, I don't see how you can call this one of Isiah's worst moves.
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11/2/2005  2:56 PM
Writers are all going to try to get all there shots in at us before they can't. They don't like Marbury, and they don't like Isiah Thomas.

If we had Steve Nash & Jerry West and went through the same exact road. Everything would be all good.
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11/2/2005  3:01 PM
Posted by fishmike:

so one guy that couldnt make it through a 30+ game college season without breaking down and 2 HS kids. Bynum didnt even dominate HS ball and Gerald Green could just as easily be the next Deshawn Stevenson as Channing Frye is the next Jermaine Oneil.

Seeing as how Isiah had the eye to pick out TMac I would trust his judgement on passing on Green. All the guys you mentioned have the same or more question marks at 8 that Frye has. Sorry


Or he had the eye to draft Camby over Marbury, Ray Allen, Kobe Bryant, Peja Stojakovic or Steve Nash
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11/2/2005  3:39 PM
Or he had the eye to draft Camby over Marbury, Ray Allen, Kobe Bryant, Peja Stojakovic or Steve Nash

Marcus Camby went to the Finals with the Knicks. Did Ray Allen, Peja Stojakovic and Steve Nash go to the finals? They Didn't well shut the f-up
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11/2/2005  3:40 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by fishmike:

so one guy that couldnt make it through a 30+ game college season without breaking down and 2 HS kids. Bynum didnt even dominate HS ball and Gerald Green could just as easily be the next Deshawn Stevenson as Channing Frye is the next Jermaine Oneil.

Seeing as how Isiah had the eye to pick out TMac I would trust his judgement on passing on Green. All the guys you mentioned have the same or more question marks at 8 that Frye has. Sorry


Or he had the eye to draft Camby over Marbury, Ray Allen, Kobe Bryant, Peja Stojakovic or Steve Nash

How about when Isiah drafted David Lee who you knew nothing about. And blasted the move. Even called said he got white mans disease.

Then in for one of your points in what would make for worst case senario for the season you said "Lee not getting any playing time because of to many veterans". For Frye it was that he would be to soft, for nate it was that he would be an out of control 5'7 SG. But for Lee it was he wouldn't get PT over veterans. This after blasting Isiah for drafting him at the draft. Then got the nerve to question Isiah's drafting ability.

Just when you started getting a little credibility as a poster you go and mess it up again.
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11/2/2005  3:46 PM
Posted by boomann:
Or he had the eye to draft Camby over Marbury, Ray Allen, Kobe Bryant, Peja Stojakovic or Steve Nash

Marcus Camby went to the Finals with the Knicks. Did Ray Allen, Peja Stojakovic and Steve Nash go to the finals? They Didn't well shut the f-up


Well that's one vote for me in Nalod's unofficial poll.
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11/2/2005  3:54 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by fishmike:

so one guy that couldnt make it through a 30+ game college season without breaking down and 2 HS kids. Bynum didnt even dominate HS ball and Gerald Green could just as easily be the next Deshawn Stevenson as Channing Frye is the next Jermaine Oneil.

Seeing as how Isiah had the eye to pick out TMac I would trust his judgement on passing on Green. All the guys you mentioned have the same or more question marks at 8 that Frye has. Sorry


Or he had the eye to draft Camby over Marbury, Ray Allen, Kobe Bryant, Peja Stojakovic or Steve Nash
dukes, you draft on talent and sometimes on need. i think the raps had damon stoudy already. Sure, you can say Ray Allen, and Kobe, but Camby had and still has maddd skills. You cant 100% predict how a player will or will not develop.
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11/2/2005  4:20 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by crzymdups:

It's true that Brown doesn't like to play a lot of youth and he already seems inclined to not play the young guys until Dec/Jan.

who doesn't he like to play?

darko?

then explain tayshaun prince? he got him his 2nd year and he seemed to be a KEY part of that lineup.

how about allen iverson? wasn't he a 2nd year player when LB got him? he seemed to give him the ball and let him run with it.

oh, and what about that entire clippers team? a bunch of 3-4 year players.

i don't get the argument here. you think LB took this job thinking he was going to play his "vets" like penny, malik, and mo?


He soured on Tim Thomas (rightly), Larry Hughes (perhaps too soon), Jalen Rose (how do you miss the playoffs with Jalen, Reggie, Dale, Antonio, Smits, McKey? Larry missed the playoffs with the Pacers in 96-97, the next year Bird had the Pacers taking the Super Bulls to 7 games.)

Also, the Tayshun Prince argument doesn't hold water, because he had a coming out party in the playoffs before Larry got there and the Pistons made the ECF. With Iverson, the team won 22 games before he got there and Iverson was clearly the only talented guy on the squad, he had no choice but to lean on him heavily.

Bottom line, Larry has played some young players and soured on others for the wrong reasons. His track record isn't spotless. Larry is a great coach, and I hope he plays the youth, but there have been signals from what he's done in the pre-season and what he's said that the rookies won't play. Look at the lineups he's used in the 1st and 3rd quarters, it's been predominantly the old guys playing with Marbury, Craw and Curry. The only guy to play Curry and Frye together was Herb, I believe (the 76ers game Herb coached). There's cause for some concern, but hopefully guys like Mo Taylor continue to get nagging injuries and Larry is forced to trust Frye, Ariza, Nate and Lee early on.
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11/2/2005  5:07 PM
I like the article. A lot of excitement. This "writer" REALLY afraid that NY will be a great team and Isaiah a great GM... And everybody will see that all he white before about Knicks complete bull. So now he tried to talk himself in that its Okay and will never happened.
Pure little thing...

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11/2/2005  5:14 PM
1) It's an opinion article, not a report. The guy gets paid to write funny stuff.

2) He's also a big Boston Celtic fan.

After the Knicks blow the Celts out by 30 tonight, he'll sing a different tune.
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11/2/2005  5:24 PM
Bill Simmons is a humor writer. He probably is one of the funniest writers in America right now. Take his actual content with a grain of salt.
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11/2/2005  5:25 PM
Bill Simmons is a humor writer. He probably is one of the funniest writers in America right now. Take his actual content with a grain of salt
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....but nothing he said was funny
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11/2/2005  6:01 PM
Posted by boomann:
Bill Simmons is a humor writer. He probably is one of the funniest writers in America right now. Take his actual content with a grain of salt
.

....but nothing he said was funny


Speak for yourself
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11/2/2005  6:12 PM
Speak for yourself


quote something he said that was partially funny and i'll give you a cookie
"We need another shot blocker and we need more girth in the middle, once that happens we have a chance to be a pretty decent team" Isiah on draft night
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11/2/2005  6:14 PM
Posted by boomann:
Speak for yourself


quote something he said that was partially funny and i'll give you a cookie


I have a cookie here for you just for spelling "cookie" correctly.
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
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11/2/2005  6:22 PM
have a cookie here for you just for spelling "cookie" correctly.

that was a cute comeback
"We need another shot blocker and we need more girth in the middle, once that happens we have a chance to be a pretty decent team" Isiah on draft night
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11/2/2005  6:23 PM
I'm sorry guys, but this was funny.
Posted by Knight:

Since everyone is worried about Curry's heart, he should use the fear to his advantage during the game--fake a seizure here and there, keep the other team guessing.


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