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bobs3304
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10/23/2005  2:18 PM
^ More like 2 seasons and 4 preseason games...
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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10/23/2005  5:36 PM
Posted by diderotn:

I know that we wanted someone to replace Houston, but we could have waited a little longer to see who would have been availble. I have called for Larry Hughes instead of Crawfford before this trade went down, and I still believe that it would have been a much better choice. If we had Hughes on our roster right now, we would not have the defensive issues that we've endured last season nor this season. Hughes is a much better ball handler than Crawff and is also much smarter of a player. Now that we have Crawfford on our roster, we are confused to how to best use him. He is not a PG nor that he is a SG. Most are hoping that he develops into something that this kid may never be. Yes, he is talented, but he is a street talent instead of a true NBA talent. He can't defend his position, because his weight is to light, and he can't defend the PG position because he is not quick enough. The best solution is to trade this guy. I know that I will get a lot grief for saying what I have said, but I don't care.

We have Q and Ariza that can play the 2, therefore we can afford to be without Crawfford and Rose. I hope that Zeke and Brown realize that they are waisting valuable time and money by having Crawff on our roster. Crawf, Penny and Rose or Mo are expendable.




Now that we have Crawfford on our roster, we are confused to how to best use him.

I pulled this for a few reasons. First of all your seeing the games thru the collective eyes of many opinons. Second this statement is one of your classic ones for a good reason: Your collectively cofused and suggestiong Isiah and Larry are also. We don't speak for either one. But you often do.

"We" is exactly whom? Contributers to the thread or Knick braintrust?

Im being polite here, but its tempting.

Lets just say that there a process by which you have Marbs as the longest tenured player on the team logging in a whoopping 18 months, on there 4th coach, and more players by which I can count.

This is what rebuilding is. Its a slow process (for us) by which a HOF coach is trying to figure out what he has and how to best put it together and let it grow together. We don't have a chemistry problem, cuz at this juncture we don't have ANY. Yet.

Really! Marbs is playing different and understands the task at had. the olympic thing is so over rated. It only showed Marbs how lacking he was in some areas and his big point game was a throw in of the towel to his team and he let them play to their strenghts, which is why they won that game but ultimatly got humiliated! But Larry and Marbs will be just fine, but it will take time. Craw also needs time for this correct way to become instinct. We are not confused, HE IS! But it takes time. Craw is a big time talent who never learned the right way of winning games. He learned how to put up stats and become wealthy. He's no loser! Now its time for the TEAM game!

Dido, think Quality not quantity in the posts and thread you start.
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10/23/2005  6:44 PM
Posted by Nalod:

Dido, think Quality not quantity in the posts and thread you start.

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10/23/2005  6:53 PM
Posted by Nalod:
Posted by diderotn:

I know that we wanted someone to replace Houston, but we could have waited a little longer to see who would have been availble. I have called for Larry Hughes instead of Crawfford before this trade went down, and I still believe that it would have been a much better choice. If we had Hughes on our roster right now, we would not have the defensive issues that we've endured last season nor this season. Hughes is a much better ball handler than Crawff and is also much smarter of a player. Now that we have Crawfford on our roster, we are confused to how to best use him. He is not a PG nor that he is a SG. Most are hoping that he develops into something that this kid may never be. Yes, he is talented, but he is a street talent instead of a true NBA talent. He can't defend his position, because his weight is to light, and he can't defend the PG position because he is not quick enough. The best solution is to trade this guy. I know that I will get a lot grief for saying what I have said, but I don't care.

We have Q and Ariza that can play the 2, therefore we can afford to be without Crawfford and Rose. I hope that Zeke and Brown realize that they are waisting valuable time and money by having Crawff on our roster. Crawf, Penny and Rose or Mo are expendable.




Now that we have Crawfford on our roster, we are confused to how to best use him.

I pulled this for a few reasons. First of all your seeing the games thru the collective eyes of many opinons. Second this statement is one of your classic ones for a good reason: Your collectively cofused and suggestiong Isiah and Larry are also. We don't speak for either one. But you often do.

"We" is exactly whom? Contributers to the thread or Knick braintrust?

Im being polite here, but its tempting.

Lets just say that there a process by which you have Marbs as the longest tenured player on the team logging in a whoopping 18 months, on there 4th coach, and more players by which I can count.

This is what rebuilding is. Its a slow process (for us) by which a HOF coach is trying to figure out what he has and how to best put it together and let it grow together. We don't have a chemistry problem, cuz at this juncture we don't have ANY. Yet.

Really! Marbs is playing different and understands the task at had. the olympic thing is so over rated. It only showed Marbs how lacking he was in some areas and his big point game was a throw in of the towel to his team and he let them play to their strenghts, which is why they won that game but ultimatly got humiliated! But Larry and Marbs will be just fine, but it will take time. Craw also needs time for this correct way to become instinct. We are not confused, HE IS! But it takes time. Craw is a big time talent who never learned the right way of winning games. He learned how to put up stats and become wealthy. He's no loser! Now its time for the TEAM game!

Dido, think Quality not quantity in the posts and thread you start.

Good post.

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10/26/2005  4:25 PM
Some People Are Only Happy When They Are Unhappy

As 25 year old Crawford learns and matures, - as he plays within the flow and fabric of the game - one night fans will check the box score and wonder, "gee, when did Crawford score 28 points?"

Crawford was a GREAT move

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10/26/2005  5:17 PM
Did you even see the pass off the backboard dunk? When the last time you seen a Knick do that? Never....ok let's let Crawford make it to midseason. And what's up with the two ff's?
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10/26/2005  5:52 PM
Posted by boomann:

Did you even see the pass off the backboard dunk? When the last time you seen a Knick do that? Never....ok let's let Crawford make it to midseason. And what's up with the two ff's?
The two ff's is his stutter.


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10/26/2005  6:08 PM
Posted by boomann:

Did you even see the pass off the backboard dunk? When the last time you seen a Knick do that? Never....ok let's let Crawford make it to midseason. And what's up with the two ff's?


Throwing a pass to yourself off the backboard does not make you a good player. While I think Jamal has progressed nicely, I woulnd't use that as my argument as too why we should keep him.
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10/26/2005  6:10 PM
Throwing a pass to yourself off the backboard does not make you a good player. While I think Jamal has progressed nicely, I woulnd't use that as my argument as too why we should keep him.


a little levity never hurt anyone. just wanted my name last on the who posted last list
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10/26/2005  6:11 PM
Posted by boomann:
Throwing a pass to yourself off the backboard does not make you a good player. While I think Jamal has progressed nicely, I woulnd't use that as my argument as too why we should keep him.


a little levity never hurt anyone. just wanted my name last on the who posted last list


LOL!
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10/26/2005  6:11 PM
Posted by Caseloads:
Posted by boomann:

Did you even see the pass off the backboard dunk? When the last time you seen a Knick do that? Never....ok let's let Crawford make it to midseason. And what's up with the two ff's?
The two ff's is his stutter.


Ouch.
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10/26/2005  8:13 PM
People really need to show some damn patience with our players. We got most of the guys we have due to some flaw in their game or else the teams that had them would not let them go. What he have now is what IT has hoped for all along, that somehow we could reach these VERY talented players and get them to reach their potential. Now the kicker is that he went and got the perfect Coach to do this. You can see that the team is actually getting better and better with each game. They still have a LOT to learn, but so far they've been picking up what LB is teaching them. The Defensive execution has been getting better and better.

JC and Steph have made some improvement on D, which is all we can ask at this point. The effort level and commitment has been growing with each game. They are still a work in progress on O, but I think the good thing is that they are trying to improve. Both JC and Steph are VERY talented and when they finally get what LB is teaching as well as our other young players, this is going to be a top team in the EAST.
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10/27/2005  11:20 AM
I for 1 has been real pleased with how Crawford is playing.
If i recall right, last year it was Crawford, Ariza and JYD that was really hussling last year. His bad shot selection has really given the media a source to bash him for. But after the trading deadline, we saw Crawford hoisting less bad shots, getting alot of assists and getting rebounds, he was even playing defense a bit. In the summer he stated that he concentrated upon the defensive aspect of his game and that he wants to be a more all around player.

Hey diderotn, remember how Larry Hughes was when he came into the league he was a bit eratic like Crawford, but being moved around to different teams and noticing what he has to do to stick to a team, was to be an all around player and it has worked for him, i see Crawford taking the same exact route, it will take some time, but he is comming along so far.
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10/27/2005  12:13 PM
The Crawford deal was obviously a bad one but the Marbury trade was the worst, by far.

If you're going to take back $150M in contracts and give away 2 #1 picks, large expiring contracts and young tradeable talent, then you should do better than getting back a player who may not even fit with this current coach and team.
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10/27/2005  12:42 PM
Posted by islesfan:

The Crawford deal was obviously a bad one but the Marbury trade was the worst, by far.

If you're going to take back $150M in contracts and give away 2 #1 picks, large expiring contracts and young tradeable talent, then you should do better than getting back a player who may not even fit with this current coach and team.

talent wins in this league, not contract size. Who care about the $150M? Are you saying that if it were only $15 million the trade would have been fantastic? And what have the #1 picks that we gave up turned into?
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10/27/2005  12:44 PM
The Crawford deal was obviously a bad one but the Marbury trade was the worst, by far

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10/27/2005  12:52 PM
ROFLMAO!!!!!

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Posted by boomann:
The Crawford deal was obviously a bad one but the Marbury trade was the worst, by far

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10/27/2005  12:58 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by islesfan:

The Crawford deal was obviously a bad one but the Marbury trade was the worst, by far.

If you're going to take back $150M in contracts and give away 2 #1 picks, large expiring contracts and young tradeable talent, then you should do better than getting back a player who may not even fit with this current coach and team.

talent wins in this league, not contract size. Who care about the $150M? Are you saying that if it were only $15 million the trade would have been fantastic? And what have the #1 picks that we gave up turned into?


If were only $15, maybe we'd be thinking about getting under the cap next year. Big difference.

As for the picks, if we had tanked we could have picked much higher than where that pick ended up. And we still owe another #1 pick in the future so who knows what that could have been used for.
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10/27/2005  1:04 PM
And we still owe another #1 pick in the future so who knows what that could have been used for.

So why worry about it we got three first round picks this year that should more than make up for anything we miss in the future. We still got one for next year and we just swapping the year after that so just be grateful for Lee, Frye and Nate.
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10/27/2005  1:14 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by martin:
Posted by islesfan:

The Crawford deal was obviously a bad one but the Marbury trade was the worst, by far.

If you're going to take back $150M in contracts and give away 2 #1 picks, large expiring contracts and young tradeable talent, then you should do better than getting back a player who may not even fit with this current coach and team.

talent wins in this league, not contract size. Who care about the $150M? Are you saying that if it were only $15 million the trade would have been fantastic? And what have the #1 picks that we gave up turned into?


If were only $15, maybe we'd be thinking about getting under the cap next year. Big difference.

As for the picks, if we had tanked we could have picked much higher than where that pick ended up. And we still owe another #1 pick in the future so who knows what that could have been used for.

Why think about getting under the cap? Isiah has already proved you can get better without regard to contract $. That said, Marbury, Penny for Eisley, Dice and whatever is still a steal talent and revenue wise for the Knicks.

You speculate what could be with the cap space and protected to like #20 first round picks, so I will speculate that Marb can dominate in playoff runs for the next 3-4 years and say he is well worth it. I also speculate that Penny's expiring contract will bring in future #1 picks for the Knicks.
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